Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Giovanni Giove

[edit] Giovanni Giove

• Giovanni Giove (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)

• RomanoDD (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Cherso (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• London321 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• GiorgioOrsini (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• 84.220.68.146 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)

• Code letter: B, G, possible E

Giovanni Giove was few time blocked because of 3RR violations. Recently, he got the ARBCOM penalty (1RR with obligatory explanation on the talkpage, as a result of Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Dalmatia) of limited editing.
These accounts've shown similar interest (Croatian Littoral areas, mostly Dalmatia and persons) as Giovanni Giove, as well as showing similar "knowledge" and propagandist attitudes.
Some of these appeared with same edits (literally same words, attitudes, style and typos, like here [1]) when 3RR violation was about to occur) - like user RomanoDD (Special:Contributions/RomanoDD. He was especially active on 22-27 Apr 2007, with several reverts on article Jakov Mikalja (several times making 2RR on few articles, nigh-on-3RR, cleverly evading 3RR or forcing the opponent to make 3RR violation). That's why is the codeletter E. After 27 Apr 2007, he disappeared, like a forgotten sockpuppet.
User London321 has started an article with the title that was a matter of dispute. Also, that user was active for a while and ...dissappeared, like it's the case with forgotten/used sockpuppets. His contributions Special:Contributions/London321.
Some of these have registered solely for the purpose of support (later, these began to edit, to hide their intentions, like user Cherso. See his edits Special:Contributions/Cherso. He began earlier editing the article, than making a userpage. Also, he's editing like a user who's not a newcomer to Wikipedia. Here, he refers in Italian to Giove [2], expressing him his solidarity ("by us exiled Dalmatians", Giove's favourite topic).
Possibly the latter three are accounts of some previously banned users (user:GiorgioOrsini, user:NovaNova).
Also, there's a possibility that it might be the person with whome problematic user Giovanni Giove and/or banned user GiorgioOrsini are in contact. Though, in that case, it's not possible to do anything, because than it's a 3rd person.
Also, it's possible that Giove, Orsini or their lookalikes act from another computer, from other location (public library, faculty, internet club...). The IP check might not be helpful anymore, but the edit pattern and vocabulary and typos etc. are easy to recognise.
Although I've wrote several times above "forgotten sockpuppet", these aren't necessary "forgotten", but probably "currently inactive", or in "sleep mode", as "reserve accounts". When necessary (a block, or some other need to evade ARBCOM remedy or other wiki-rule), this might woke up.
So, because these accounts are possible candidates for code letter B (and "E"), because they don't have limitation or other remedies issued by the arbitration committee.
Sincerely, Kubura (talk) 10:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

More about user Cherso.
This text in edits and pseudoscientific approach is as same as in Giove's edits [3]. Also, "Cherso" defends Giove's contribution (POV) in this change.
Giove must explain his edits, according to ARBCOM. Cherso not. I suspect that Giove uses this account as a sockpuppet, to evade ARBCOM's decisions. Kubura (talk) 10:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Things got more serious.
Giovanni Giove recently got a ban from editing Wikipedia [4]. Kubura 09:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I've added this IP-address, per [5]. He's banned user, so this'd be reported. On this edit, he signs himself as "Giovanni Giove". Kubura (talk) 09:09, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Comment: What is this supposed to achieve? London321 (talk · contribs) and RomanoDD (talk · contribs) haven't edited since March and April respectively, and are neither blocked nor banned anyway; GiorgioOrsini (talk · contribs) was checkusered below and lives nowhere near Giovanni Giove; Cherso (talk · contribs) was checkusered at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Giovanni Giove (3rd), with a verdict of "unrelated"; and 84.220.68.146 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) is quite obviously Giovanni given its edits ("my ban", etc: [6]). – Steel 18:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Just to be sure. These could be sockpuppets in the "sleep" mode. Kubura (talk) 09:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Unnecessary - old accounts are most likely stale anyway - Alison ^❤ 21:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Giovanni Giove

• Giovanni Giove (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• GiorgioOrsini (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• NovaNova (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)

• Code letter: G

Checkuser evidence is needed for more proof of sock puppetry. Below is a list of evidence I've gathered which I believe warrants a checkuser on the accounts named—KingIvan 07:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

This user has been disrupting numerous articles for quite a long time now. I believe that GiorgioOrsini, Giovanni Giove and recently NovaNova are all the same person. They use the same style of writing (grammar mistakes, spacing, etc.) and they all have the same subject of interest which are Dalmatia-related articles and removing or vandalising every mention of Croatia in them. I have looked around their history pages and I have found striking similarities in their reverts. I found out that these two members have been involved in numerous edit-wars where they have "collaborated" to such a degree that it took my attention right away. Looking closer I found out that they in fact made exactly the same methods and when there wasn't one there was the other doing the same revert and replying in the same manner. Some of the articles included are: List of Croatians, Giovanni Luppis, Francesco Patrizi, Benedetto Cotrugli, Andrea Meldolla and so on. If these are all accounts of the same person (which I am convinced they are) he is also guilty for vote stacking on as can be seen on Talk:Francesco_Patrizi, this page can also be observed for striking similarity in argumentation of these supposedly two people (it is in fact identical). Recently it seems he introduced another sockpuppet at Giulio Clovio named NovaNova, this article is also where GiorgioOrsini is involved in a edit-war for very long time and now he obviously introduced another sock to help himself. In short due to long-term disruption, vandalism, incivility and extremly striking similarity in edit style, argumentation and exactly the same interests I am forced to request an indefinite block or ban of this user and all of his accounts.

It is certain to assume that Giovanni Giove is the master account, as it is the oldest account out of the three. This person then created his other two accounts in a short amount of time - during November 2006. GiorgioOrsini and NovaNova are his two accounts which are used for rampant edit warring, and personal attacks, and they are also used to create the illusion that their is more than one person who holds these opinions. To get a taste of this report, please see that after a user gave him a legitimate warning, Orsini removed it and was uncivil. Also take a look at this threat/attack.

Looking at each user's contributions, it is highly likely that GiorgioOrisni was created by Giovanni Giove to create the illusion of support for his views on the article "Juraj Dalmatinac". Another point to notice is that GiorgioOrisni's first ever edit was to the talk page of Juraj Dalmatinac, where he immediately started repeating the same words spoken by Giovanni Giove, and immediately engaged in edit warring over that article - quite an unusual thing for a genuine new user to do. Both accounts edit the same articles - often edit warring with other users, most notably on Juraj Dalmatinac (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs), Andrea Meldolla (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) and other articles of famous Croatian/Italian figures. Both account seem to have the single purpose of removing all references to Croatia or Croats on articles of famous historical figures, and claiming them as exclusively "Italian", while calling all other views "pseudo-historical". Both account use the same style of language in talk pages and edit summaries. The account GiorgioOrsini is also guilty of vandalism, by removing people from article lists and then adding words such as "falsifier" to describe someone[7]. It can clearly be seen that these users are in fact the same person.

[edit] Name changes/removals

All three users constantly move pages from Croatian names to Italian ones. All three remove sections of articles regarding name controversies and such - and always use the same or similar "reasoning" (e.g, "removed name nonsense", or "pseudo-historical nonsense".

Diffs:

• Giovanni Giove - [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13].
• GiorgioOrsini - [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24].
• NovaNova - [25], [26].

[edit] Neo-Nazism

In "their" mad fanaticism, "they" frequent the articles Neo-Nazism and Neo-Nazism in Croatia, and try to insert inflammatory POV, and more lies and falsifications.

Diffs:

• GiorgioOrsini - [27], [28], [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37], [38], [39], [40], [41], [42], [43].
• NovaNova - [44], [45], [46], [47], [48], [49], [50], [51], [52], [53], [54], [55], [56], [57], [58], [59], [60], [61], [62].

[edit] Giulio Clovio

The Giulio Clovio article is a frequent target of this one user's heavy POV edit warring. He frequently removes references and text referring to the man as a Croat. On the talk page, and in edit summaries they are always uncivil, and usually use personal attacks.

Diffs:

• Giovanni Giove - [63], [64], [65].
• GiorgioOrsini - [66], [67], [68], [69], [70], [71], [72], [73], [74], [75], [76], [77], [78], [79], [80], [81].
• NovaNova - [82], [83], [84], [85], [86], [87], [88], [89].

[edit] Blocks

All three have been blocked at least once for disruption, personal attacks, edit warring etc. Giove obviously has the most blocks as this is the master account. [90], [91], [92].

Inconclusive. None of them are IP-related. Giorgio and Nova are geographically very close to each other. Giove is not even hemispherically related. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 15:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)