Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Bulldog123

[edit] Bulldog123

• Bulldog123 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• AndalusianNaugahyde (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• AshbyJnr (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Blahblahme (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Blueanode (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Bulldog123 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Brandon97 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Burntsauce (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Casperonline (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Crazysuit (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Dannycali (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Davenbelle (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Diyarbakir (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• D73733C8-CC80-11D0-B225-00C04FB6C2F5 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Eyrian (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Gazpacho (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Golfcam (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Hornet35 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• IPSOS (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Jack Merridew (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• JohnEMcClure (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Keb25 (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• LAZY 1L (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• MarkBul (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Moby Dick (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Mrs random (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Note to Cool Cat (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• SolidPlaid (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Spawn Man (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• StaticElectric (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Tregoweth (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Varlak (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• Yeshivish (talk • contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)
• 75.5.225.151 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • RBLs • block user • block log • checkip)
• 138.88.170.131 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • RBLs • block user • block log • checkip)
• 76.80.112.235 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • RBLs • block user • block log • checkip)
• 68.163.65.119 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • RBLs • block user • block log • checkip)
• Code letter: B and D
• Supporting evidence: The various accounts and IPs indicated above all exhibited very similar anti-"in popular culture" edits in numerous AfDs as any check of their edit histories reveals. Considering that all of the following accounts that participated in many of the same AfDs were blocked as socks or puppet masters (AndalusianNaugahyde, AshbyJnr, Blueanode, Brandon97, Burntsauce, Casperonline, Dannycali, Davenbelle, Diyarbakir, D73733C8-CC80-11D0-B225-00C04FB6C2F5, Eyrian, Gazpacho, Golfcam, IPSOS, Jack Merridew, JohnEMcClure, LAZY 1L, Moby Dick, Mrs random, Note to Cool Cat, 75.5.225.151, SolidPlaid, Varlak, and Yeshivish), I suspect that some additional accounts and IPs may be related to these already blocked accounts. As the block logs indicate, the already blocked accounts used sockpuppetry and harassment of editors in order to get over two hundred popular culture related articles deleted from Wikipedia, including those indicated in this list that one of the banned accounts wrote. Some of the not yet blocked accounts seem to have "left" around the same time (Fall 2007) as well and using this tool appeared in numerous of the same AfDs as each other with rapid delete "votes". I think it important to determine the full extent of this problem. Sincrely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 19:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• Checkuser is not for fishing. Thatcher 21:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Dear Thatcher, a good faith request to determine the validity of what compellingly looks like a relationship among specific accounts with very similar unproductive edits to other specific accounts who were in fact banned for doing untold disruption on our project is not fishing. Consider, for example, Bulldog123 and Golfcam, Bulldog123 and Burntsauce, and Bulldog123 and Eyrian, i.e. very similar delete "votes" in the same discussions as banned accounts. Notice here the rapid deletes in list and "in popular culture" AfDs (traits consistent with Burntsauce, Dannycali, and Eyrian, as well as the sudden halt in editing in October around the time when the ArbComs involving Eyrian and Burntsauce were going on. Now comparity Bulldog123's rapid delete votes with MarkBul, (both users have a "Bul" in their name and voted in many similar kinds of AfDs and with remarkably similar posts. AND they both suddenly stopped editing in October. Now add Crazysuit into the mix. Again, rapid delete votes in similar AfDs and suddenly stops editing in Fall 2007. And he participated in many AfDs with banned account Eyrian, Burntsauce, andDannycali. We really should know if these are more than just coincidences as many discussions may have been closed illegitimately, i.e. due to sockpuppetry fixing the outcome. Even if some of these accounts have laid low, we need to be sure if they are related so they don't operate as sleepers. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 23:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Thatcher, what would you propose is done? There has been a high incidence of sockpuppetry exhibited (or suspected) by editors contributing little but to AfD. Do we have to wait until someone slips up on a gross error or admits it? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

You don't have any reason to check other than an assumption that editors who oppose pop culture articles must be sockpuppets. I know without checking that Burntsauce/JB196 is in a different location than Davenbelle and Jack Merridew, I also know that these accounts have been checked multiple times in their own specific cases and anything discoverable was discovered at that time. Plus a lot of these accounts are too old to check. If you have something new and specific against someone specific you can file a separate request citing specific evidence, but this is just a giant fishing expedition with the biggest net you could think of. Thatcher 12:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Bulldog123, Crazysuit, and MarkBul seem specifically related to each other for the reasons listed above. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 16:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Stale. Thatcher 16:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

As occurred in this discussion, we would like to determine how much sockpuppetry was involved in some of these AfDs and therefore if the closure's should be revisited. In addition to the already established Burntsauce, Dannycali, and Eyrian socks, I suspect that Bulldog123, Crazysuit, and MarkBul were there own set as well based on strikingly similar edit patterns and departure time. Even if it occurred months ago, it is important to know if there was a connection in order to undo any damage they may have done. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 16:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

The checkuser database contains only information on "recent" edits. (For policy reasons we prefer not to specifically define "recent".) Crazysuit and MarkBul's most recent edits are too old to check. Thatcher 17:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough. Would it be appropriate to consider them suspected sockpuppets though because of similarities in edits? Should I indicate that somewhere else? In addition to Crazysuit, Bulldog123, and MarkBul having strikingly similar opinions in the same kinds of AfDs and posting in rapid fashion in AfDs, stopping editing within a month or so of each other, the other reasons for my suspicions were such AfDs as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kent State shootings in popular culture. In that AfD, banned accounts Burntsauce, Dannycali, and LAZY 1L all voted delete in a similar fashion to Crazysuit and MarkBul who also posted in that discussion. Crazysuit and MarkBul also were on the same side of the discussion (and right after each other) in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gargoyles in fiction, where again now banned account Burntsauce and what looks like a single-purpose IP also participated. In Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional restaurants, CrazySuit and MarkBul again voted delete in an AfD in which banned accounts Yeshivish, Dannycali, and Burntsauce as well as that same IP from the other discussion voted delete. They also both participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allentown, PA in popular culture, which was started by now banned sock Dannycali, but which also included participation from banned account SolidPlaid and Gazpacho. Moreover, Crazysuit and MarkBul voted delete with Dannycali again at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/London Underground trivia (4th nomination). They voted delete in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of entertainers by nickname (2nd nomination), an AfD started by now banned Burntsauce, but which also included participation from blocked Rackabello. Just as you get Bulldog123 with Crazysuit here, here, here (also with Dannycali again), here (with another account with similar voting patterns that stopped editing in Fall 2007), here (with banned Eyrian), here (an AfD started by another user who left in Fall 2007 that also included banned IPSOS and yet another account that stopped in Fall 2007, as well as banned Burntsauce), here (with banned Eyrian and IPSOS and still another account that stopped in 2007), here (with banned accounts Eyrian, Golfcam, and Burntsauce), etc. So, I really believe there may be some connection here. I understand if you're unable to do a checkuser, but I believe it is worth making note of it somewhere, as it looks like a good number of consensus based discussions were compromised. Do you suggest a different noticeboard or something? Thanks! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

• You're looking for WP:SSP.Thatcher 14:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Thank you and done. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)