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[edit] Evidence presented by User:VartanM

[edit] Ehud Lesar as a screen name

The only notable Lesar, and the only one who has an article about himself, here on Wikipedia, is David J. Lesar. He is the Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of Halliburton Energy Services and who lives in Houston Texas. Ehud claims to be from Texas. Adil Baguirov is the Vice-President of International Affairs of the Houston-based (Texas) International Energy Consulting Firm. [1]. Check here on the relations of the Halliburton with Azerbaijan, which was previously run by the current US vice president Dick Cheney and now by David Lesar who visited Azerbaijan and meet with the president[2].

According to the WhitePages, there is no Ehud Lesar in Texas, and most if not all Lesar's in Texas are related to David Lesar. The Halliburton is a political company, related to the Republican party. Adil Baguirov, himself is actively involved in politics and contributes to the Republicans[3]. Ehud Lesar's name as apposed to mine or MarshallBagramyan is not related to any real historic person. Its the last name of one of the powerful figures in the oil business. It's a name only someone working in the oil business would be familiar with and considering Ehud's interests in obscure Azerbaijani articles, there is no doubt in my mind that Ehud is Adil.

[edit] Jewish related articles are part of Adil Baguirov's off-wiki political campaign

Adil Baguirov runs the U.S. Azeris Network, political lobbying organization, the contact email of which is registered under Adil's domain name (domain@zerbaijan.com). The site has a Grassroots Action Center, one of its action alert is on Azeri Jews which sends us to here. The content sums most of Ehud's contributions on Jewish related articles. From the text we read:Many of Jews were bravely fighting against Armenian aggression in Nagorno-Karabakh region of Azerbaijan, and one of them Albert Agarunov posthumously was honored with the title of the National Hero of Azerbaijan. Ehud Lesar created the article on him. This action alert sums up most of Ehud Lesar's contribution on Jewish related articles. Ehud Lesar's contributions are highly political. See first paragraph of this edit. Or this highly politicized addition on oil in the Israel-Azerbaijan relations. On the action alert you will also find an analogy with Armenia (treatment of the Jews), This contrasts with the anti-Semitism in Armenia to an article from the Turkish Weekly where Adil Baguirov has several of his articles published. [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]. From the same token, it is not surprising (is it?) that Ehud Lesar added this to the article on the history of Jews in Armenia. (I guess to falsely show how Azerbaijan contrasts with Armenia)

While Marshal and Francis suspected Ehud Lesar to be Adil long ago, I and Fedayee were only sure of it after his involvement in the Azeri Waffen SS Volunteer Formations article and its talkpage. Here Ehud Lesar removes a picture claiming in the summary: removed the image since it's actually Armenian soldiers. He's referring to this, he later confirms to Grandmaster here. The removal of the picture was done several minutes after Grandmaster brought it up in the talk page. I was furious that Grandmaster used an aryan forum and so I answered in a sarcastic way [9]. Fedayee then emailed me and told me that this forum link was probably provided by Adil since Grandmaster was not in this sort of thing. Fedayee answered and showed Grandmaster his disgust. The problem was that the forum requires registration to search, and the link provided by Grandmaster was accessed through the forum search. Grandmaster answered Fedayee by suggesting that he never visited those websites. Fedayee replied that it yield no result on google, answering to Grandmasters claim that the info could have been found otherwise. Grandmaster's reply was: Sorry, I’m not gonna disclose my sources. I can only say that I never registered there or even visited that website. [10] Checking the edit history in the talkpage, during that period only Ehud and Grandmaster were those who were contributing in the discussion supporting the Azeri version. Fedayee and I by that time were convinced Ehud Lesar was the member who provided that link. Adil is the person who is in the business of finding an Armenian-NAZI collaboration going as far as searching in Aryan web sites and forums.

From then on, not only were we convinced it was Adil but also were convinced that Grandmaster was aware that it was him. Eupator provided evidence on how Ehud meatpuppeted for Grandmaster and Atabek. Grandmaster's recent comments only make our suspicion stronger, that he knew more about this than he wants to reveal by claiming: ...Armenian users, who want to get rid of one of Azerbaijani editors [11] Making a statement of fact on Ehud being Azerbaijani.

[edit] Ehud Lesar claims he didn't know Adil, which is very unlikely if not impossible

Ehud Lesar is aware of almost everything in terms of politics, (oil, conflict etc.) but amazingly claims like said by Marshal: I don't know and want to know who Adil is and is not. [12], he will just recently claim: I AM aware of who Adil Baguirov is by now,... [13]. Someone who is so much aware of all the politics, or obscure subjects such as Kish Church claimed at first that he didn't knew one of the most known current Azerbaijani figures in the West and who happens to work in Texas (where he lives).

[edit] Link between Atabek and AdilBaguirov

Since Atabek brought this and accuses Fedayee of harassement, this should then be also covered. Some of the information will be submitted to the arbitration committee in private and a copy of what is sent will also be transmitted to Atabek so that he is aware of the evidences provided.

[edit] Ehud and Zondi

Ehud presents himself as a new user and points to Zondi fixing his articles, He claims that he doesn't know Zondi. Evidences suggest otherwise. Adil and Zondi are connected thru azer.com. Zondi writes: I know the editor personally and she told me I can use any picture from her website as long as I put "Copyright: Azerbaijan International". [14] The editor of Azerbaijan International is Betty Blair [15], (AdilBaguirov is a regular contributor and the article on Wikipedia was published there). Betty Blair was present during the same forum and was one of the lecturers. [16].

Zondi was also registered the same day as Batabat the single purpose account described in Fedayee evidence section. Adil spoke of Batabat as he knew him, I don't think Zondi is Batabat though. Here Zondi inserts reference on Khojali from the site. Zondi is also the member who created Heroes of Azerbaijan which included Albert Agarunov [17] before even Ehud Lesar created the article about the man.

Zondi, just like Ehud Lesar, out of nowhere reverted the Church of Kish article. [18], [19]. I'm not saying Zondi is Ehud, but chances are high that they know each other off-wiki.

[edit] Azerbaijani Khanate

I stress the arbitrators to read the first letter which is from Adil. Pay particular attention to the Karabakh Khanate. And then compare it with what Khoikhoi has provided as a diff. We see there Adil asking Britannica to fix that information. The independent Azerbaijani state and Khanate was a position put forward by a group of Azerbaijani nationalist intellectuals. See the other two letters, the other one was written by Tabib, who was also a member of Wikipedia, as for the third author, per: wp:privacy this will be done in private to the committee.

Ehud could not have not known Adil as he claims, while he lives in Texas and adheres to Adil's fringe theory about the Khanates. Ehud could not have not known one of the most notable current Azerbaijanis, the grandson of the Azerbaijani physicist Hasan Abdullayev who was the former director of Azerbaijan's Academy of Sciences for 14 years. Adil Baguirov who has build the first Internet resource web site about Azerbaijan on the Internet.

[edit] Grandmaster attempted to bury things to rehabilitate a banned user

The second block of Ehud was on January 11, on January 12 Grandmaster loaded United Nations Security Council Resolutions to Wikisource, all four of them which were loaded by Ehud on Wikipedia. On January 16 Adil appeared on Wikisource and loaded the rest of the resolutions. The only set he did not load were loaded by Grandmaster a day after Ehud's second block.

Had AdilBaguirov loaded those it would have been suspicious since Ehud did that on Wikipedia. Grandmaster claims that he was the one who contacted Adil to inform him how he was accused and that Adil came back is very suspicious. Adil stoped contributing on January 17, on January 18 request for arbitration was filed. Interestingly, check User:Malikbek, another suspicious account activities by date.

[edit] Malikbek, worth checking

Malikbek (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)

Malikbek was also engaged with the obscure Principality of Khachen which Atabek was so concentrated on [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25].

He found his way on AA2 and left a comment. [26]

Malikbek also made several changes on Talysh Khanate. [27], [28], [29], [30], [31]. I will provide more evidence on Adil's particular interest in this subject later.

I will just compare Ehud Lesar contributions with Malikbek. Since Malikbek registered after EhudLesar, I will start with when Malikbek started contributing. He first edited from September 4 to September 5 (inclusively). He stops, then Ehud Lesar contributes, from September 6 to September 7, then September 10 to 11. He stops, then Malikbek one edit on September 12. Melikbek continues editing... I will skip the details, probably we need to include the other socks to have a bigger picture. Pay particular attention to December 18. No edits for 20 days (from November 28 to December 18). Now check Ehud Lesar's he stopped on September 11. Both were absent for a significant period of time and they reappear in an interval of about a day. What's the first edit on that date Ehud does? In the talkpage of Nagorno Karabakh.

[edit] Timing, this bit is important

What is striking is the timing. There was no discussion in the talkpage, there was a relative peace minus what happened with Verjakette which stopped on November 29. TigranTheGreat raised an issue on December 14, and a discussion sparked, Golbez replied, Pocopoco..., Andranikpasha, Steelmate, Grandmaster, then Atabek on December 17, then Fedayee, Aynabend engaged, then Atabek becomes more and more provocative (NAZI analogy and the like), Golbez is irritated with the discussion, then EhudLesar. (see talkpage history from December 14 to December 19). His last edit before that was on September 11.

[edit] Merging of the accounts

It took me hours to compile this so I really hope the arbitration will read it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:VartanM/Coincidences

It should be read by starting from May 12. (prior dates ignored) The only one left out is Weiszman because he was banned right after the first Arbitration. AlexParKinson to Weiszman were identified as AdilBaguirov, so they're the same color. Earthdream to Shantinorashkar were identified as Drastamat, they're on the same color. Rapikpapik to Hanrapetutyun were idenfied as the same user, they reverted the same day. The others are in different colors independently.

On May 12 Zufugar appeared, edited for a day, then stoped, on May 15 the "Orange" socks appear, they stop on May 22. On May 22 Ehud appeared, he stoped on May 24, on May 26 the "pink" socks appeared and stoped on May 28. On that date Ehud made one edit and stoped. He contributed (not daily though) until June 15. On June 16 Qarapapaq appeared, he edited on June 19 and stoped. On that date the "brown" socks came and edited until June 22, then stoped. On June 26, Ehud reappeared, he contributed until August 2 then disappeared, the NEXT DAY, Londium appeared, he contributed each day until August 7. NEXT DAY, Ehud continued until August 13 then stoped. On August 18 Londium continues with Zulfugar then with Ehud... After Londium's unblock request is rejected on August 21, he continues with Zulfugar. I'm sure the arbitrators can continue and follow the same reasoning. They can verify each diff and see if I have forged or manipulated anything there. And I can provide the rational as to why all those were Adil sock individually.

[edit] Londium and Ehud, more

Here is more, Check out Londium's talkpage ublock request: I am not a sockpuppet of user:AdilBaguirov, I have never even heard of this person. Ehud also claimed to not know Adil.

Now another one from his talkpage (Londium)

Can't you guys check my IP address? I'm from London and I'm British. I'm not Azerbaijanian and I have never been there, I have never even met an Azerbaijanian in my life. Can't an examination of my location and user:AdilBaguirov location tell you that I am not him. Now pay attention to the deception he is saying Azerbaijanian instead of Azerbaijani, to make it sound that he does not even know how the word is written. This is basically the same deception used by Ehud when he wrote Bagirov on all occasions beside one before he allegedly just learned who Adil was (which took several months) then poof he added the u when he learned about him.

More deception from Londium: one minute I was editing London and England based articles (specifically minorities of Britain articles) and then the next minute I get drawn to some Iranic and Turkic articles, it happens when you click wikilinks in those articles. (again his talkpage) Check how innocent he is playing... a careful analysis of his contribution dismisses this 100%. He requested a merging of Arran with Caucasian Albania. [32] Now arbitrators can follow and check in Arran talkpage who requested recently such a merging (Atabek). Arran is against the ideology of Adil Baguirov. And in the talkpage he plays the innocent. [33] More deception here for the poor uninvolved British who ends in those articles by accident. Grandmaster and Atabek have autentified Londium identity claiming him to not be Adil, but now check what Londium provides in the talkpage of the article he deceptively edited. [34] Adil Baguirov defended theories. And mind you that Londium claimed and I quote again: I have never even heard of this person. (about Adil Baguirov)

The evidences are abound that Londium is Adil, and there is something clearly in common with Malikbek, Ehud and Londium, the three claim not to be ethnically Azeri, and the three support AdilBaguirov beliefs. Now having this in mind, check once again my merging on Londium and Ehud and say if there is sufficient doubt that Londium and Ehud are not the same person. If they are, the arbitrators should answer why he deceptively used two different socks and passed as two different persons, why is he hiding if he is a genuine user? Is he British or Jewish? Or more simply, the simplest explanation, he is none other than Adil Baguirov.

[edit] On the differences between Ehud who lives only in Texas and Adil who split his time between Texas and Washington

Grandmaster has claimed that while Adil splits his time between Washington and Texas, Ehud exclusively contributes from Texas. Ehud contribution does not reject the claim that he does split from Texas to Washington, it actually confirms it. Ehud is an irregular member, so it is obvious that if Adil used his Ehud account every time he is in Texas, Ehud will always contribute from Texas. If Adil does that, then since he split his time, Ehud account will contribute in an irregular way rather than regular.

[edit] More on Ehud and Adil identical positions.

Bringing back this diff second paragraph (starting with Secondly). Similarities with the article on Wikipedia was brought, but here is another article: Azerbaijan was slow in realizing and taking advantage of the Internet and ICT, a relative latecomer even compared to its neighbors... [35] The entire article is about what Ehud brought in the second paragraph.

They model their efforts on the Turkish and Jewish lobby: we model our efforts on to be important and strong as the Jewish and Turkish lobby groups. [36] It isn't like it is the first time he passed himself as a Jew.

[edit] Evidence presented by User:Eupator

[edit] Ehud's mainspace edits sorted by number of edits

I'm going to display how Ehud essentially started out by making a bunch of bogus edits to bolster his fake Jewish identity (Adil had tried the same thing with his other socks) and wasted no time to jump into A-A hot topics with Adilesque edits and comments.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 06:15, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

  • 14 Albert Agarunov
Created article and expanded it. The subject of the article was a participant of the Nagorno Karabakh war.
  • 7 Church of Kish
Most of it (6/7) reverts: [37], [38], [39], [40], [41], [42]
Context of the reverts: The protection template is removed, Grandaster makes changes, Meowy follows, then Atabek makes a series of edits (results) followed by a minor edit by Grandmaster. Meowy reverts the changes and expands the article which is reverted by Grandmaster and again reverted by Meowy. Ehud Lesar comes out of nowhere and reverts. The rest of his edits on the article are also reverts.
  • 7 Azeri Waffen SS Volunteer Formations
Reverts or deletions: [43], [44], [45]. As for the rest, the articles history is very telling. (start checking from when Azizbekov began editing the article) Ehud, always finding his way.
  • 4 Khurshidbanu Natavan
All reverts: [46], [47], [48], [49]
Context of the reverts: Hetoum removes this under the basis of original research. Grandmaster reverts, Hetoum reverts, Parishan reverts, Hetoum rewords and adds sources [50], Parishan reverts, Hetoum reverts, Parishan reverts, followed by Hetoum [51]. Parishan reaches his 3 revert limit, Dacy69 reverts, then Vartan makes a change. Parishan, Dacy and Grandmaster all have now reached their revert limits, Ehud Lesar pops up out of nowhere and reverts. Later on he essentially continues reverting in that article.
  • 3 Israel-Azerbaijan relations
With his first edit he creates a new section pushing strong pov again regarding the Karabakh war.
See the first paragraph he added. Second edit speaks for itself. [52]. Third is a minor revert
  • 3 Israel Democracy Institute
Created.
  • 3 Azerbaijani Jews
Expands [53], the other two are minor edits. [54], [55]
  • 3 Jews of Azerbaijan
Creates the article. Two other minor edits. [56], [57].
  • 3 Ohr Avner Chabad
Creates it. Two other minor edits. [58], [59].
  • 2 Ohr Avner Chabad Day School (Baku)
Creates the article. Minor expansion. [60]
  • 2 Bakcell
Creates, removes a website link. [61]
  • 1 History of Azerbaijan
Reverts this edit.
Context of the revert: An IP removes a section. Atabek reverts back to Grandmaster. Houshyar does not agree, he changes Aratta for Iranic groups, and removes the section again (revert) while removing another section. Then, Ehud pops out of nowhere and reverts.
  • 1 Azerbaijan Democratic Republic‎
Minor edit.
  • 1 Karabakh Khanate‎
Reverts Hetoum's edit.
Context of the revert: Hetoum removes the now defunct Azerbaijani Khanates category, Grandmaster reverts, Hetoum reverts, Parishan reverts, Hetoum removes it again and adds a reference. [62] Ehud Lesar comes out of nowhere and reverts.
  • 1 Meir Kahane‎
Minor edit. (Replaces the word "murder" with "assassination".)
  • 1 Army of Azerbaijan‎
Minor edit.
  • 1 Ethnic minorities in Iran‎
Reverts
Context of the revert: Atabek makes major changes which are reverted by Houshyar who requests a discussion. Atabek then makes several changes which result with this. Hajji Piruz reverts and as a result, Ehud Lesar appears again seemingly out of nowhere and reverts.
  • 1 List of United Nations Security Council Resolutions 801 to 900‎
Adds Armenia-Azerbaijan
  • 1 History of Turkish-Jewish Relations‎
Name fix
  • 1 Soviet Union and the Arab-Israeli conflict
Minor fix‎
  • 1 Arye Carmon‎
Creates the article.
  • 1 Nagorno-Karabakh Republic‎
Reverts
Context of the revert: I think the article's edit history is sufficient for providing context.
  • 1 Azerbaijani administrative divisions of Nagorno-Karabakh‎
Speaks for itself.
  • 1 History of the Jews in Armenia‎
adds 3 paragraphs about a vandalism of a memorial.
  • 1 Mother Armenia
changes liberation of Shushi to capture. ‎

[edit] Ehud's other edits and talk page contributions

[edit] Evidence presented by Grandmaster

[edit] Counterevidence to sockpuppetry allegations

Please see User:Grandmaster/Ehud. I responded there in much detail to Fedayee's evidence that was used as a basis to Ehud's block. Please see below a general assessment of the evidence that is provided as a proof that Ehud is a sock and not a genuine user.

The evidence that resulted in Ehud's block consists of 3 main elements.

  1. Claims that certain arguments and geographic names are exclusive to Adil and not used by anyone else in in wikipedia or anywhere else.
  2. Claims that since Adil used socks in the past then Ehud must be a sock as well.
  3. Geographic location. Since Ehud resides in Texas, and Adil occasionally travels there, they must be the same person.

I will address these claims below.

1. This was the argument that was used the most, however quick investigation of the claims shows that there are no arguments or geographic location names that are exclusive to Adil. The argument that was used the most is that only Adil ever used the name of Geycha, which is one of historical names of the lake of Sevan in Armenia. Fedayee repeated that accusation so many times on various discussions, just some examples:

When you search in the talkpages, all the hits excluding one, point either to Adil and Ehud, for Geycha for the way Adil calls it by its "Azerbaijani" name. If you read Adil's claim, you will see those claims put forward by Adil are identical to the ones put forward by Ehud. Neither you, nor even Atabek have ever made those claims about Sevan, they were exclusively Adil's thing.

Who besides the Azerbaijani lobbyists like Adil Baguirov call Khojaly a genocide? Who besides Adil here had claims over Sevan, positions not even addressed by Grandmaster, not that I recall, while such questions were brought forth by Adil.

Nishkid64 repeated the same claims:

Adil was the first person on Wikipedia to make that point. Ehud Lesar made that exact same point, and given how it's not some universal view, it looks quite suspicious.

I addressed these claims in my counterevidence and demonstrated that the name of Geycha was used in Wikipedia articles and talk pages by various editors, including Wikipedia admins, at least since 2004 (!), long before Adil joined Wikipedia in 2006. Please see User:Grandmaster/Ehud#Re:_Ehud_and_Adil.2C_same_positions_and_ideologies. Same with other claims that Fedayee was alleging were exclusively Adil's. None of them are exclusively Adil's and can be found on talk pages of wikiarticles or Internet. It appears that the Geycha argument was the one that lead to Ehud's block. It was repeated by Fedayee over and over on various talk pages, and some admins eventually trusted it. However this claim was false and all that was needed to disprove it was to take a look at the history of a couple of articles in Wikipedia. Same with other names and opinions, claimed to be exclusively Adil's.

2. The argument that Adil used socks in the past cannot be a proof that Ehud is a sock as well. Plus, Fedayee provides inaccurate information by attributing to Adil accounts that were never proven to belong to him. Basically, every banned account representing the Azerbaijani position is now attributed by this group of users to Adil and on the basis of this it is claimed that Ehud is also a sock, however such claims cannot be a proof of anything.

3. Same with geographic location, which I addressed in my evidence here. Texas is not a village, it is a US state with more than 20 million of population.

As one can see, none of the above arguments can be a proof that Ehud was Adil's sock, since there are no "exclusive" names and arguments that could be attributed only to Adil and no one else, and the fact that Adil used socks at some point cannot be a proof that any other account banned in Wikipedia belongs to him and that Ehud is also Adil's sock, and many Armenian users are based in California, if we use the location as a basis for ban, then all Californian Armenians should be banned too as each other's socks.

As for speculations about Ehud's name, I do not recall Ehud ever claiming that he contributed under his real name, if I'm wrong, I would appreciate any proof to the contrary.

[edit] Harassment of Ehud

User:Fedayee, User:VartanM, User:MarshallBagramyan and User:Eupator were engaged in harassment of Ehud for many months. They claimed without any proof that Ehud was Adil's sock in blatant violation of WP:AGF, while failing to present their evidence for formal investigation to Wikipedia:Suspected sockpuppets, despite being recommended by admins to do so. Here's Fedayee accusing Ehud of being Adil's sock on cu page: [63] Again: [64]

Here Fedayee claims that MarshallBagramyan was referring to Ehud when he said that Meowy's "only block was because of an impersonation by AdilBaguirov". [65]

But in December 2007 the occasional accusations turned into an open harassment campaign. Whenever Ehud tried to make a comment on talk, he was attacked and accused of being Adil. Examples. On talk of Nagorno-Karabakh VartanM responded to Ehud's comment as follows:

Wow!!! I was sure you would answer Ehud. Good to have back Adil Baguirov theories about Zankezur, Syunik, Geycha, Sevan etc..., I'm sure we all missed them. VartanM (talk) 06:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Then the same kind of attacks on Ehud continued on Khojaly massacre talk:

Adil, if you wish to continue contributing here you should appeal to the arbitration committee. And for your information Lesar is Sephadric not Ashkenazi. If you don't mind I will ignore you as a banned user. VartanM (talk) 06:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

When I asked Vartan to mind WP:AGF, Vartan said:

Assume good faith? He is a banned user, period, given that another user should have never been banned, it is unacceptable that Adil who turned the whole place into a battleground is allowed back just because a checkuser has been incapable of confirming anything. Had Adil been using one account like this one, I would not have any problem and will be ready to forget, but that he used parallel sockpuppets to revert war and push me and others who are not into restriction into one, I think is enough evidence that he did not change. The point is that while we know that various other new sockpuppets are Adil, lately Adil has been successful into escaping checkusers when we all know that it is Adil behind. So I hope you don't mind if I totally ignore Ehud. VartanM (talk) 18:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

When Ehud left his comment on WP:AE board, he was instantly attacked by Fedayee, who said:

Banned members have no say in this. You are banned so you should learn to face it. - Fedayee (talk) 03:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:AE became the arena of most intense attacks. Fedayee was the most active harasser, he claimed that Ehud was Adil as if it was a proven fact:

It has been already demonstrated that your persona is a fake one. We will all treat you as Adil because you are Adil. - Fedayee (talk) 03:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

You know checkusers will not show anything and you know nothing has been demonstrated of that sort. Ehud is Adil, we already confirmed this, so please for your own sake stop claiming it was demonstrated, I will start believing that you know it and defend him. - Fedayee (talk) 18:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Adil, you see why you are banned now? Even under a new username, you just can't stop disrupting. - Fedayee (talk) 06:56, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

We have Ehud, who we all know is Adil. Fedayee (talk) 08:06, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The only thing you do with your answers is to confirm more and more that you are Adil. - Fedayee (talk) 06:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

In the same post Fedayee stated that he was not going to pursue resolution via arbcom:

I will not be filling an Arbitration request, because my trust for the arbitration has reached an all-time low, I will only hope some administrators will use some of their time to go through the evidence. - Fedayee (talk) 06:53, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

However later Fedayee changed his mind about arbcom, but kept insisting that Ehud was Adil, at the same time claiming that User:Elsanaturk was Ehud as well:

So yes, I want a third arbitration too but only if this time it is taken more seriously. And yes Ehud is Adil, and evidence points that Elsanturk is behind this Ehud thing too, all that is needed is a new arbitration case with fresh blood… maybe the arbitration this time will be reading the evidence... - Fedayee (talk) 18:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Fedayee continued harassment of Ehud at Moreschi's talk page:

Moreschi, that Ehud is Adil isn't even a matter of belief but confirmation. - Fedayee (talk) 20:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Eupator also supported Fedayee's claims that Ehud was a sock:

I'm accusing Ehud of being a sokpuppet as well.

The harassment at WP:AE and other pages continued even after the sockpuppetry accusations were rejected by the admins at the WP:AE board: [66]

The admin who placed Ehud on parole said:

I have no good reason to think you're a sockpuppet of anyone.

However despite all that Ehud was blocked, unblocked and reblocked, and the block was made without any discussion at WP:AE, WP:ANI or any other board and despite the previous conclusion at WP:AE that there was "No confirmation of sockpuppetry". Given that Ehud was not a single purpose account and was a long time contributor, I don’t think this was acceptable.

[edit] Comments on Vartan's evidence

With regard to the link to the restricted forum, I do not understand how Adil could have had any relation with it. Again, speculation with no proof. If this matter is indeed of any importance, I can explain how I got that link. It was provided to me by one Armenian wikipedian, whose name I’m not going to disclose. However I can give his name to arbitrators if needed.

As for me referring to Ehud as Azerbaijani, Azerbaijani is not just ethnicity, and since I believe Ehud is from Azerbaijan, he is in my view an Azerbaijani by nationality. Azerbaijan is multiethnic country, and not everyone who hails from my country is an ethnic Azerbaijani, but many people of various ethnic origins are Azerbaijanis by nationality.

VartanM keeps on mentioning various users, alleging that they are Adil's socks or somehow related to him, while many of them are well established editors. Previously Fedayee was mentioning User:Elsanaturk, now VartanM makes claims about User:Zondi, User:Malikbek and others. Why not requesting checkuser on all those users? Also, they can be contacted by email, if needed, I can do that and ask them if they wish to present their evidence and respond to any accusations. Alternatively, arbitrators or clerks can do that. However, it is still not clear to me how is that supposed to prove that Ehud is a sock? Even if we assume that all mentioned users are Adil's socks, can it be considered a proof that Ehud is a sock too?

And accusations like "Grandmaster attempted to bury things to rehabilitate a banned user" or "More possible deception from Grandmaster by bringing Adil back and helping him" are clearly bad faith. Somehow VartanM fails to mention that it was me who included the link to US State Department webpage containing UNSC resolutions on Nagorno-Karabakh long before Adil joined wikipedia, see my response to Khoikhoi. Why cannot I use the source that was brought to Wikipedia by myself? Adil and Ehud apparently took it from the article about Nagorno-Karabakh, where it was included for years, but it was me who added it.

[edit] Pocopocopocopoco

This user has been trying to prevent checkusers performed on editors representing certain position for quite some time. Here he was trying to prevent a cu on a bunch of suspicious accounts: [67], and stopped the argument only when the steward lar told him to. Eventually this cu revealed 5 sock accounts. Then Pocopocopocopoco turns the next cu on the same page into the large argument, and the cu clerk had to move the discussion to talk: [68] Still Pocopocopocopoco continued protesting on the cu page, and it eventually turned into a total mess, as more names became added, etc. I don't know why this user is so concerned with cu procedure, which is quite routine and has been performed on myself many times. If one does not use sock accounts abusively, he has nothing to be afraid of. However Pocopocopocopoco's evidence and proposal on the workshop page leave an impression that they are intended to prevent certain users to file cu requests on another group of users. So far myself and Atabek helped the admins to expose a large number of sock accounts, I can cite many examples if needed. However when someone routinely tries to prevent cu, it looks very suspicious, especially when su returns positive results. In addition, this whole story with cu requests has nothing to do with Ehud.

[edit] Comment on Khoikhoi’s evidence

I commented on creation of Ehud’s account here: [69] Basically, at that time it was not clear whether Adil will be banned or not. Only half of arbitrators voted by that time. Eupator and Fedayee had as much chances to get banned as Adil. I don't see that creation of Ehud's account somehow coincided with Adil's block, as Adil had a chance to remain in wiki same as Eupator and Fedayee at that time.

With regard to “jumping out of nowhere”. We have many users who do just that, i.e. If we block them all, Wikipedia would lose a number of users. Examples. Almost every Armenian editor turned up to vote for deletion of the category of Azerbaijani khanates: [70] Some of those users turned up after quite a prolonged absence for the sole purpose of voting there. See for example Davo88 (talk · contribs), who has not contributed since 11 December 2007, but somehow became aware of the voting on 5 January. Before voting he made only one edit in December, one edit in November, and no edits in October. [71] Or Hakob (talk · contribs). He appears only to rv quite obscure controversial articles, such as Paytakaran, Movses Kaghankatvatsi or Shusha pogrom, which he never ever edited before: [72] [73] [74] [75] [76] [77] [78] Those accounts have as much chances of being someone’s socks as Ehud does.

With regard to UNSC resolutions. I created these articles in Wikipedia: United Nations Security Council Resolution 822, United Nations Security Council Resolution 853‎, United Nations Security Council Resolution 874 and United Nations Security Council Resolution 884, and these ones in wikisource: [79] [80] [81] [82], using the same source, which by the way was the very first time in Wikipedia added to the article about Nagorno-Karabakh by myself [83] back in February 2006, long before Adil joined Wikipedia, and used by me many times after that. Also, the source at vostlit.info, which is a historical account by Abbasgulu Bakikhanov, was also first time added to Wikipedia by myself and used by me many times. It was me who added it to the article about Karabakh khanate, and not Adil: [84] Both Adil and Ehud reverted the article to my version and restored the source that was deleted. So argumentation that Ehud must be Adil’s sock because they both referred to those sources is baseless, in that case they should both be my socks.

As for Adil’s appearance in wikisource, as I explained in my statement to the arbcom, it was not a coincidence. Adil started contributing to wikisource after I emailed him and informed him that Ehud was banned on the basis of allegations that he was Adil’s sock. If Adil decided to contribute to another wikimedia project in the meantime, it is not against any rules.

[edit] Comment on last batch of evidence by VartanM

VartanM continues to make accusations against User:Malikbek, User:Zulfugar and others, claiming that those accounts belong to Adil without presenting any real proof to support these allegations. However it has been demonstrated that Malikbek is British living in Belgium, he cannot be Adil just because of geographic location, since Adil lives in the US. Malikbek also responded to accusations here on the evidence page and on talk of arbcom's proposed decision: [85] If needed, Malikbek can be contacted and allegations about him being someone's sock could be investigated. Same with accusations against Zulfagar and other accounts. Basically VartanM dumped a bunch of irregular contributors and banned accounts here and claims that they all are Adil without any real proof, and he believes that this must be a proof that Ehud is a sock too. However baseless bad faith assumptions with regard to good faith editors such as Malikbek require serious investigation, and I have no doubt that such an investigation will be conducted if needed.

[edit] Evidence presented by User:Khoikhoi

Please take special note of the third section. More evidence later. Khoikhoi 23:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Account

  • At 18:22, 27 March 2007, with the first Armenia-Azerbaijan ArbCom case coming to a close, five arbitrators had already proposed to ban AdilBaguirov for one year. ([86]) Around six hours later, the account Ehud Lesar was created at 00:20, 28 March 2007. ([87])
  • Besides one edit to the sandbox later that day, ([88]) the Ehud Lesar account would not become active until 08:23, 22 May 2007 ([89]), by the time was Adil already banned. Compare to the Checkuser-confirmed sock Weiszman: created on 22:51, 2 March 2007 ([90]), but not fully active until around early April. ([91])

[edit] Behavior

  • As I mentioned on WP:AN/I ([92]), Adil has a pattern of coming out of nowhere and jumping into edit wars. In particular, you can see this illustrated in the article Karabakh Khanate. Adil's first and only edit to the article is a revert ([93]), followed by a comment on the talk page. ([94])
  • Around five months later, Ehud makes his first and only edit to the article, which is also a revert. ([95]) Compare the edit of Adil with Ehud's edit: not only are they similar in point-of-view, but they also cite the exact same source (vostlit.info). Ehud followed his revert with a comment on the talk page as well. ([96])
  • In mid-June 2007, an edit war broke out on Ethnic minorities in Iran. AlexParKinson, another Adil-confirmed sock, ([97]), pops up and gets involved in the edit war (01:08, 20 June 2007). ([98]) A user who also appeared on the article solely for the prupose of reverting was in fact Ehud Lesar (03:26, 15 June 2007). ([99]) Notice the similarities between AlexParKinson and Ehud's edits. In addition, note that each user only made one revert each to the article.
  • The article Church of Kish has often been a battleground between Armenian and Azerbaijani users. However, it has been confirmed by CheckUser that at least three of the Azeri users that have edit-warred on the page (DrAlban, Aramgutan, & Otvetniyudar) are in fact socks of Adil. ([100]) In addition, Ehud's edits to this article are of a similar nature, and all of them except one have been reverts. ([101], [102], [103], [104], [105], [106])

[edit] Other

[edit] Evidence presented by uninvolved User:Atabek

[edit] Checkuser on User:Ehud Lesar and User:AdilBaguirov

Checkuser results on relation of these two contributors were negative [115]. So were the two following checkusers on User:AdilBaguirov declined - [116], [117].

[edit] User:Fedayee and User:VartanM violated WP:PRIVACY and WP:HARASS

Charges brought up by User:Fedayee and User:VartanM that User:Ehud Lesar is not really Jewish have no supporting evidence, do not serve as a reason for accusing someone of sockpuppetry or questioning identity, and are violations of WP:HARASS. Accusing someone based on dislike of his account name being associated with a certain ethnicity is in violation of WP:PRIVACY and WP:HARASS. I will add diffs on this later.

[edit] User:Fedayee and User:VartanM violated WP:HARASS

User:Fedayee is known to make frivolous claims on Azerbaijani contributors:

[edit] VartanM claims

Regarding this claim by VartanM [120]. I would be delighted if he presents any evidence linking me to AdilBaguirov publicly(!), when he is not even aware/cannot prove my identity. Same applies in Ehud Lesar case. Moreover, I do demand that both VartanM and Fedayee are properly judged by the Arbitration Committee based on their persistent harassment and targeting of contributors' personalities, moving beyond the limitations of content discussions. These severe violations of WP:HARASS, WP:PRIVACY and WP:AGF have absolutely NOTHING to do with intent, objectives and activity of Wikipedia.

[edit] VartanM targeting of contributors along national lines

Seeing the fruitlessness of his effort with Fedayee to prove that Ehud is Adil, VartanM is trying to connect any other contributor including inactive User:Batabat and User:Zondi to him (see his evidence claims above). VartanM claims that Zondi is connected to Adil because both know editor of AI, Betty Blair. The claim is ridiculous, because Azerbaijan International is the most popular magazine about Azerbaijan published outside of the country. So claiming that two people must know each other and coordinate just because they know the editor, void of any factual evidence, is nothing other than a false attribution without facts. Adil's article is published, hence anyone can read it without necessarily knowing Adil. Overall, such frivolous evidence is yet another proof that VartanM has no other major objective but to turn Wikipedia into battleground along national lines.

[edit] Targeting of banned User:AdilBaguirov and User:Ehud Lesar

  • Despite this checkuser [121], the blocking admin still asserted [122] that User:Londium a sock of User:AdilBaguirov without any evidence produced.
  • No evidence was produced by the reblocking administrator in Ehud Lesar case to the claim [123]:
  • Grandmaster and Atabek have now hinted that Ehud Lesar's real name is not "Ehud Lesar", as he had claimed many times before on-wiki and through e-mail.
Whether Ehud Lesar is a real name of contributor or not does not establish the fact of him being a sockpuppet of someone else. Using this as a justification for block is in violation of the very first sentence of WP:PRIVACY:
  • Wikipedia requires no personal information from anyone who wishes to edit it.... Some editors use their real name for their account, most others use a pseudonym.

[edit] Comment on Khoikhoi evidence

The argument that Ehud must be Adil because he created an article on UN Security Council resolutions on NK, while Adil always used them as favorite reference does not seem to be a valid reason for blocking Ehud. In fact, here is my discussion of resolutions with Khoikhoi on his talk page - [124]. So did Grandmaster refer to resolutions as do many other Azeris, as are resolution texts publicly available online at US State Department's special page. Atabek (talk) 07:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comment on banned Fadix

I am not sure why banned user Fadix is permitted to post on evidence page essentially wasting ArbCom space with self-invented conspiracy theories. Particularly fascinating is this claim of his "Cornell, De Waal, Shaffer etc., are all authors who have personal relations with Grandmaster and the other members". After this one, I am pretty sure that Fadix does note at all know what he is talking, and is here just to waste community's time. How can Grandmaster in Azerbaijan have personal relations with scholars in the United States? I am pretty sure I have never met any of those scholars either! It seems as though his temporary ban didn't make him understand that this kind of false targeted harassment and pure personal blackmail are absolutely useless for Wikipedia in general and ArbCom case in particular. Atabek (talk) 02:08, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence presented by Fedayee

[edit] Ehud and Adil, same positions and ideologies

This will be a modified version of my evidence page. I removed things which I felt were not necessary to provide anymore and I hid a piece which the Arbitration could check if they wish that they need more material. I will probably add more depending on what other users add as evidence. (I will not answer to counter-evidence but rather, supplement more)

Ehud Lesar, who claims to be a Jew, supports positions exclusively supported by extreme nationalists in Azerbaijan and also supports an exclusively Adil myth on Lake Sevan (located in the republic of Armenia).

AdilBaguirov wrote: Thus once more, if Shaumyan declared some independence, then definitely so did Zangezur and Geycha in Armenia. [125]

AdilBaguirov wrote: That is most of Zangezur, Geycha, and certainly all of Karabakh were recognized by US as legitimate parts of Azerbaijan. [126]

Ehud Lesar: Let me give you an example for you to understand the same pro-Azeri effect if one creates an article on Geycha and Zangezur Republic, or whatever a group of Azeris may call it. I think it even has some sort of an official name. That group of Azeris claims these territories, i.e. Zangezur, or Syunik province of present day Armenia, and Geycha district, or Sevan province of Armenia today, are Azeri territories and historically have been.

When the similarities between Adil’s and Ehud’s positions are raised, Ehud Lesar writes: If one or other user shares the same views on Zangezur (Syunik) and Geycha (Sevan), that doesn't mean I have be one of them.

If we search on talkpages, we find that only Adil has ever talked about any Geycha Republic. We see here on the map (the Azerbaijani representation of then republic) that while Zankezur was disputed by Azerbaijan, Sevan WAS NOT! Also, Ehud is not using the proper word Sevan (Geycha) but continues to say Geycha (Sevan), a land which is not disputed and part of the republic of Armenia. Only Adil did this.

Ehud considers what happened in Khojaly a genocide [127] and calls it extermination. [128]. Hmm, who calls it genocide? Azerbaijani and Turkish lobbyists, and of them probably the most known, Adil Baguirov who has an article published in the Turkish Weekly (referred by Vartan) on Khojaly Genocide Here is what he lists: including those in Rwanda, Bosnia, Algeria, etc. [129] Excluding Youtube (both first hits from Google are youtube videos loaded by Turkish users), the first text material about Algerian Genocide comes from an article again by the Turkish Weekly where as Vartan mentioned, Adil has published several articles. The Jews were one of the groups who suffered the most during the Oran massacre and the subsequent crimes… intimidations which prompted them to nearly entirely leave Algeria, unusual to include Algeria as a matter of fact by a Jew. And witness how in his list the Armenian example is missing… in fact Ehud, just like Adil, denies the Armenian genocide: but I do condemn any Turk who committed massacres of Armenian civilians as much as I condemn any Armenian who committed the same acts on Turkish civilians 100 years ago. Ehud is a supporter of the ridiculous “both-sided massacre” revisionist claim which is maintained by those who deny the Armenian Genocide and mainly supported in the West by Justin McCarthy, whose article the socks of Adil have also edited. [130], [131], [132], [133], [134], [135], [136], [137].

[edit] Ehud Lesar, in light of the various socks and impersonation of Adil of other nationalities

Adil has already impersonated being English, Armenian, Uzbek, Kazak, Jewish, and Iranian.

Weiszman (Adil Baguirov’s sock) registered on March 3 and only started contributing on articles on March 21 2007, then his next contribution will be on April 3 2007, in the meantime Ehud Lesar was registered (March 28 2007). Ehud Lesar’s registration date coincides with one event: the confirmation that AdilBaguirov will be banned. In the voting process of the arbitration committee, Paul August from March 27 to 28 started making different proposals opposing various bans, though he will end up supporting AdilBaguirov’s ban. [138] By this support, AdilBaguirov knew that his fate was settled and it was only hours later that Ehud Lesar had registered. Ehud Lesar, while having registered on March 28, didn't edit until May 22 2007. Weiszman will be editing until April 11 2007, he will get caught and consequently banned.

[edit] Batabat, Ehud and Adil

Batabat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) Grandmaster and LaraLove say that Ehud contacted them and offered to talk to them on the phone or webchat[199] [200]. This is similar to what User:Batabat offered when he was blocked as a single purpose account[201].

These are his first four contributions on Wikipedia. [202], [203], [204], [205]. Replaced Persian with Turkic (Adil did this numerous times). Then the next thing he does is to go to Khoikhoi's talkpage to defend Adil, ehmmm…, I mean "Dr. Baguirov" using his words. [206], [207]. Then the next thing he does, he votes to keep the FORK article [208], [209], and then he voted to oppose an FA article. [210]. He becomes member of the Azerbaijan Wikiproject. [211] Then he pushes Adil’s sarcasm to its end, with a 100% Adil comment on his userpage. [212] After that comment he is blocked as a sock. This obvious sock then wants to be unblocked. [213], he emails an Admin and wants the email to be posted here. [214] Check the similarities; he proposed to call him or webcam him to prove his identity. Batabat, after being unblocked, claims that he has to finish two books effectively excusing his future absence. [215] This was on March 13, two days after the Church of Kish article was created. The logical explanation would be that the email to the Admin was made hours or a day or two later, which closes the gap for those two days. Fedayee’s assertions are without a doubt correct, such obvious cases with a mountain of evidence would normally not even require a checkuser.

The above evidence was originally posted by Eupator on AN/I[216], it has been altered to correspond with the rest of the evidence.

[edit] Promoting Adil

You're free to be either obsessed with or pretty much obviously impressed by him, but please stop dragging me into "being" someone I am not just NOT. [217] Here, Ehud Lesar is claiming that another member is obviously impressed by Adil who thinks a lobbyist who acts as an ambassador of Azerbaijan in the United States is someone to be impressed with. He repeated this more recently: I must say that it's rather positive that you're so impressed by Adil Bagirov; so impressed that you happen to follow his life cycle, but I think you should free your mind from the name Ehud Lesar. [218] Ehud knows that we know he is Adil, this comment is the same sort of sarcasm Adil or his other socks were using.

[edit] Admission by others

  • User:Grandmaster claims that "...Armenian users, who want to get rid of one of Azerbaijani editors"[219].
  • User:Atabek suggested that Ehud Lesar might have been a made up name. ..."argument about Ehud Lesar's username has absolutely no relevance to the question whether he is Adil or not. There is no Wikipedia rule that says a contributor is not allowed to register a username of his choice." [220].

[edit] Adil and Ehud live in the same geographic location

By his own admission, Ehud Lesar lives in Texas [221] which is similar to Adil who splits his time between Washington, D.C. and Houston, Texas, where he works for an international energy consulting firm. [222]

[edit] More will follow

[edit] Evidence presented by User:Ehud Lesar

[edit] Ehud Lesar’s complete history of edits

I will not be re-posting what I had posted on my talk page already. The All of the evidence and response from Ehud Lesarshould be enough for Administrators to read through and analyze the evidence.

I will write below all of my involvement in Wikipedia up to the date I was blocked. I understand there are limitations of text and diffs not to overwhelm the Committee's work; however without looking at each diff, it is rather hard to understand why we're here at ArbCom considering the case, and why Armenian users have been skipping some diffs and showing only what they want administrators to see.

I get interested in Wikipedia in early January, 2007. I read many articles, especially the ones related to Israel and Azerbaijan. This is the primary area of my study. Hence the interest. I make my first try out on March 28, 19:05 in Wikipedia: Tutorial (Editing)/sandbox. From that day on, I did not have time to start at Wikipedia project due to personal family reasons.

May 22, 2007 and first article I create a new article related to a National Hero of Azerbaijan of Jewish origin. Since this is my first time, I insert the text into the article, insert tags, parenthesis, etc., by looking at other articles; A user named User:Zondi (perhaps admin) corrects my mistakes [223] The following few edits are due to the lack of experience. In any case, I am posting them here one by one: [224], [225], [226], [227], [228], [229] (edit made the next day, i.e. May 23, 2007), [230], [231]. From this point on, the first article created by me, is edited by User:Zondi again, then by User:Parishan. Then, on May 24, I try to add a picture and use it in the article. [232]. It is then corrected again by User:Zondi by moving it to float right. Then I read the instructions on placing the picture in the article, image resolution specifics, etc., and enlarge the image.

June 5, 2007 I edit the article again, presenting the facts [233], and so on. From the date of my first article, May 22 until May 24, I edit only this article, making only very minor edit here [234].

May 28, 2007 is the Independence day of Azerbaijan Democratic Republic. I go to that article to read and make a minor spelling correction [235].

Until June 5, 2007 I do not make any edits, and once logged in, I make an edition in the article Albert Agarunov since it was on my watch list. Also, on the same and next day, I read an article on History of Azerbaijan, find a need to add information, and make a correction, which I do on June 6, 2007 [236]

June 9, 2007 I create my page after seeing other various user pages.

June 10, 2007 I also make additions to the article Azerbaijani Jews, by adding information relevant to the life of Jewish community in Azerbaijan [237] I make a repetitive edit by re-saving the added text, because I forgot to write the explanation in the edit summary [238] Then, I add tags for Jews of Azerbaijan and Khabad Or-Avner, the articles, which I was going to create soon after. [239]

June 10, 2007 I create a page on a new organization in Baku Jews of Azerbaijan [240]. I proceed with correcting and adding tags to the article I would create next [241], followed by a minor style correction [242].

June 10, 2007 I continue by creating the next article I wanted create on Khabad Or-Avner [243].

June 12, 2007 I expand and make significant additions on Israel-Azerbaijan Strategic, Security and Trade Relations, to the article created by user User:Atabek [244].

June 13, 2007 After a research, I add more information to the article including one of the vital sectors of Israeli-Azerbaijan relations [245]

June 13, 2007 I create an article on Israeli-Azerbaijan joint venture Bakcell [246] followed up by a minor correction [247].

June 15, 2007 I make an edit in the article Ethnic minorities in Iran where there was a strong POV and wrong naming of an ethnic group [248]

June 26, 2007 After some research, I add more information to the article on Khabad Or-Avner [249] Here I am struggling with technical difficulties [250], [251], [252]. On the same day, that is June 26, I register with Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel for current and future Israel related articles. [253]. I also edit my page adding information on my ethnic background and membership of WikiProject Israel [254]

June 29, 2007 I add Armenia-Azerbaijan to List of United Nations Security Council Resolutions 801 to 900 [255]

July 2, 2007 I read articles and make research on Turkish-Jewish history and relations, and make a correction here [256]. On the same day, that is on July 2, after research, I see a need for creation of another article on Israel Democracy Institute [257], followed up by adding a WikiProject Israel tag [258] .

July 4, 2007 I read and do research on Soviet Union and the Arab-Israeli conflict [259] On the same day, that is July 4, while reading about Caucasian Albania, I find an article on Church of Kish where I see a POV, which I remove [260] Here you can see the discussion on the talk page of the article: [261]. Reverting the article back to Francis Tyers’ version [262]

July 5, 2007 I continue with discussion on Church of Kish [263] and make a revert once [264]. Same day, I find a discussion on talk page of Azerbaijan and make a comment there too [265].

July 7, 2007 I see a comment from User:Francis Tyers regarding user User:AdilBaguirov and reply on my page. [266] This is actually one of the first tallks where Armenian users start attacking me with accusations [267]

July 10, 2007 I post a message on admin Mackensen’s page about addition of my name to arb com [268]

On July 11, 2007 I undo the last revert of Hetoum because of POV [269] and on July 12 I leave a comment on the talk page [270] and revert it to previous version [271]

July 13, 2007 I leave a comment [272]. July 17, 2007 I leave a comment [273] July 21, 2007 I leave a comment on Movses Kaghankatvatsi talk page [274]. This and Church of Kish are on my watch list.

August 1, 2007 minor edit on Israel Democracy Institute page [275] A few minutes later I create an article on Dr. Arye Carmon [276]

August 2, 2007 I add the name of the Institute in Hebrew [277]

August 8, 2007 I find an article on Azeri Waffen SS Volunteer Formations and see POV pushing by a new now-blocked User:Azizbekov. I make the corresponding corrections [278], asking for sources [279]. Azizbekov reverts and starts personal attacks (please see his edit summaries) [280] My replies [281] follows.

August 9, 2007 I am filing a complaint on user Azizbekov's harassing remarks and personal attacks [282] Undoing Azizbekov’s POV [283] and leaving a comment on the fact that sources are not provided [284]

August 12, 2007 I make neutral edits changing a heading from biased to neutral language and adding other significant data [285] Here [286], I post an extensive reply to user Azizbekov and his ethnic attacks. Here [287] I leave a message on admin Thatcher’s page about User:Azizbekov’s unacceptable behavior and attacks on my ethnicity from Armenian users.

Here [288] I make a minor edit and remove the picture which was actually a picture of Armenian soldiers in Greece, not Azeri ones [289] and leave a corresponding comment [290].

August 26, 2007 I change the heading to “Participation” [291] with a comment on the talk page [292] Same day, that is August 26, I reply to user User:Zulfugar who left a comment on my page about the issues related to article Azeri Waffen SS Volunteer Formations: [293]

September 6, 2007 I find an article Khurshidbanu Natavan of Wikipedia while researching on Karabakh khanate through search engines, and after reading and comparing the article versions, and reading the talk page discussion, I reverted it to the version which was not biased. [294], followed by a comment on talk page [295] Same day, that is September 6, I leave a comment on one of my watched articles Church of Kish, urging user User:Hetoum to come to consensus [296] and revert the article to the previous version [297] until users reach an agreement.

September 6-7, 2007 I participate in the discussion, leaving a comment [298], and making a revert [299]; presenting evidence on the picture of the bust and its destiny: [300].

September 7, 2007 I also participate in discussion for Karabakh Khanate and leave a comment [301] followed by an undoing of User:Hetoum's edit, who previously deleted the sourced neutral information [302].

September 10, 2007I leave a comment on Khurshidbanu Natavan article talk page [303] and make the edit in the article [304]. On the same day, I leave a comment on Meir Kahane article talk page [305] and make the corresponding edit [306] in the article itself. Leaving a comment on Khurshidbanu Natavan page: [307] and making a corresponding change in the article: [308]

September 11, 2007 I make a revert from previous revert by anonymous user [309], and leave a comment on the talk page [310]

December 19, 2007 I find discussion on Nagorno-Karabakh talk page interesting and join in [311]

December 20-21, 2007 I participate on talk page discussions for articles on Nagorno-Karabakh and Khojaly Massacre [312], [313], [314], [315], [316], [317].

December 22 through December 31, 2007 I participate in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement discussion, leave a few comments on pages, vote [318], make reverts on biased editions such as this [319], and this [320], reply on Fedayee’s accusation [321], add new data to the article History of the Jews in Armenia [322], undo an edit by anonymous [323] (while leaving a comment on talk page [324])

After I am placed on a 6 month revert parole by admin User:Moreschi, I leave a comment with request on his page [325] to which he replies [326] [327]

December 29, 2007 I also leave a comment [328] and make edit in the article making it neutral Mother Armenia [329].

January 1 through 5, 2007 I leave a couple of comments [330], [331].

January 9, 2007I get blocked by admin User:Khoikhoi [332] who was absent for some time and appeared on Wikipedia and blocked me right away [333].

[edit] Dates of Ehud Lesar's edits and Baseless allegations from Armenian users

In this section, I request Administrators to comment on the date and time analysis. On the following dates I was absent from Wikipedia, i.e. I was either busy, watched TV, hung out with friends, worked, was sick, studied or had personal reasons: (In order of my first contribution in Albert Agarunov article) * May 24-28, 2007

  • May 28-June 5, 2007
  • June 6-9, 2007
  • June 13-15, 2007
  • June 15-26, 2007
  • June 26-29, 2007
  • June 29-July 2, 2007
  • July 2-4, 2007
  • July 5-7, 2007
  • July 7-10, 2007
  • July 13-17, 2007
  • July 17-21, 2007
  • July 21-August 1, 2007
  • August 2-8, 2007
  • August 9-12, 2007
  • August 13-26, 2007
  • August 26-September 6, 2007
  • September 7-10, 2007
  • September 11-December 19, 2007
  • December 27-29, 2007
  • January 1-5, 2007
  • January 5-9 (blocked)

Please note that the dates above indicate my absence which happen to be more than 24 hours. The claims User:Fedayee, User:VartanM, User:MarshallBagramyan and User:Eupator are making with me being absent during specific timeframes are completely baseless. Every single one of us has a personal life we have to contribute to, as well. One has to be able to take a break to go to have lunch, take a shower, go to the bathroom, do groceries, study, visit parents, meet up with friends and relatives, and spend time off the internet. The claims supported by Armenian users above are very illogical and make no sense. One thing is very important to note and take into consideration: These and several other users are doing and will do anything to get rid of me or any Azerbaijani editor, that is, a user not having a pro-Armenian stance. In order to reach that goal, they are trying to attach my name to a blocked user User:AdilBaguirov.

[edit] The name User:Ehud Lesar, my ethnicity and nationality

There is no doubt about my ethnicity whatsoever. I have Jewish blood as much as needed. I'm going to prove to a few Armenian users what my ethnicity is. It is just is what it is. I have as much Ashkenazi and Sephardic blood as there is and it's my pride. If I chose to reflect it on my user page, it is my decision. If there are 6 million Jews nowadays, it doesn't mean that they have segregated themselves and split into sharply cut Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews. For the information of Armenian users, both Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews do intermarry as much as they intermarry with Azeris, Russians, Turks and Armenians. Again, it's not my obligation to explain to Armenian users whether Ehud Lesar is my real name, nickname, or a user name in Wikipedia. Wikipedia respects privacy of its editors.

[edit] A few references

I took liberty to post a couple of links in response to some allegations from Armenian users, especially their comments on my views on genocide issues involving Algerian genocide. Jews of Israel and other countries actually have a number of different views: Please see Peace, Propoganda and the Promised Land to see a different view from commonly accepted thought about Jews, and what Jews think about Arabs, so on and so forth. You may also see this video with Azerbaijani Jews singing about Azerbaijan among which there are Sephardic, Ashkenazi, Caucasian Jews. Efforts of Armenian users accusing me of being a sock to present me as a "fake Jew" as well as claims that there are no Sephardic Jews in Azerbaijan are groundless. I am ready to cooperate and work with administrators to prove that I am not a sockpuppet of any other user. Meanwhile, as agree with the Committee, I will be editing on this page and arbitration-related pages only [334]

[edit] A note on VartanM's comments

This is a section to turn your attention to my comment here [335] on endless efforts of Armenian users to use any possible ways to accuse users and VartanM's latest comment above [336] proving it right. Now, User:Zondi is accused just because he stated he knows the editor of Azerbaijan International. This is very illogical and childish to say the least. Betty Blair, who is the editor of Azerbaijan International has also met both the late President of Azerbaijan, Heydar Aliyev and current President Ilham Aliyev numerous times, and they, in turn, have met with both President Bill Clinton and President George W. Bush. Does that mean all users who know Betty Blair are related to the Presidents too and the Wikipedia project is just a big conspiracy? This is turning into a very childish game. Seriously gentlemen, how long will this continue? Add all other users who have edited my articles or commented on my talk page, and connect them to User:AdilBaguirov too, just to discredit my statements.

Ehud Lesar claims he didn't know Adil, which is very unlikely if not impossible Ehud Lesar is aware of almost everything in terms of politics, (oil, conflict etc.) but amazingly claims like said by Marshal: I don't know and want to know who Adil is and is not. [337], he will just recently claim: I AM aware of who Adil Baguirov is by now,... [338]. Someone who is so much aware of all the politics, or obscure subjects such as Kish Church claimed at first that he didn't knew one of the most known current Azerbaijani figures in the West and who happens to work in Texas (where he lives). by User:VartanM

Again, User:AdilBaguirov is not the father of Azerbaijani Academia. And VartanM's statement above re-affirms my point I mentioned several times already: He really is impressed by Adil Baguirov (please read your own comments) but having a knowledge about oil, History of Azerbaijan, conflictology does not connect anybody to Adil Baguirov, does it? I did not know Adil Baguirov, but ever since accusations against me started at the end of last year, of course I got to know him through his contributions here. VartanM's desperate effort to twist my words in his favor deserves attention. So that Armenian users do not twist my words around again, I'll state here once again: I did not know Adil Baguirov. I got to learn his user name here in Wikipedia, after Armenian users started accusing me of being User:AdilBaguirov's sockpuppet; I got to read his articles in Wikipedia and in other online resources after I was blocked. Now I AM aware of who Adil Baguirov is, again, thanks to Armenian users. Ehud (talk) 03:54, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Comment on Khoikhoi's evidence

See... This is the part I am confused about, and moreover, this is the part what confuses others. Why usage of one particular issue should be made exclusive to someone when it is a part of Azerbaijani history? If one refers to UN Security Council resolutions taken from US State Department website, what's so exclusive about it? When you google it, that comes out, doesn't it? Any user who finds that text missing in Wikipedia, and wants to contribute it, will google it and it will come out as the first search result. Why is this even called an evidence? Or even, this Geycha/Zangezur argument. If one user, has mentioned, and even argued on it several times in Wikipedia, and another user talks about the same subject, what's making it so exclusive to the former user, and why can't the latter user argue or mention the same subject? Are there copyrights laws on these I am not aware of? If an Armenian user cannot access these data online, that doesn't mean the data doesn't exist or is not available in Azeri. Here is one more example www.tarix.az Ehud (talk) 05:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence presented by user:Pocopocopocopoco

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[edit] Following discussion of Ehud Lesar's ban, Atabek and Grandmaster violated WP:POINT and WP:GAME by filing a checkuser basically to try to bludgeon editors they disagreed with

Following the lengthy discussion at ANI regarding Ehud Lesar where user:Steelmate and user:Andranikpasha were disagreeing with user:Atabek and user:Grandmaster, Atabek then filed a checkuser which simply to bludgeon Andranikpasha and Steelmate. Grandmaster later piled on by adding two additional blocked users to Atabeks pointy checkuser. Given that Grandmaster has recently (and in the past) used inconclusive results from 7 months ago against me to try to win an argument.[339] Couple that with the fact that he asserts that the very reason that I am bringing this all up is due to the his belief that I am trying to "prevent a checkuser on myself". I think we can safely judge that this checkuser was being used in bad faith. Please see the remarks by checkuser user:Dmcdevit in the checkuser case: "Rejected. Please present a coherent case for why I should perform the check, and not this haphazard listing. This is the umpteenth time you've come here listing three or four different established identities and asking them all to be against some new account or other." when Atabek seemed to push further for the checkuser, Dmcdevit replied "Declined for the same reason. Please file requests coherently and with clear evidenc. Accusations against half a dozen known distinct people stinks of using CheckUser as a bludgeon against enemies."

[edit] Response to Grandmaster (and note to arbitrators)

The arbitrators rejected the motion to discuss past checkuser cases. Grandmaster sites his belief in a positive track record with regard to past checkuser requests as justification for his and Atabek's WP:POINTy checkuser request following the ban of Ehud Lesar. Note that I have only commented on what is relevant to Ehud Lesar above. If he is to be permitted to discuss the merits of past checkuser requests that are irrelevant to Ehud Lesar, I should also be able to post evidence to the contrary.


[edit] Evidence presented by {Malikbek (talk) 17:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)}

[edit] {Response re 1.8 about Malikbek, ie me}

I'm afraid I don't know much about the etiquette or structure of these things, but it has been pointed out that for some reason my posts have been included in the discussions here.

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I frankly don't have time to read through all this. My contributions to Wikipedia have simply tried to offer helpful corrections where I find things I believe could make improvements on whatever subject I happen to be involved in at any time (currently mainly Blues music). I don't know who this Ehud character is, and have no connection whatever with him/her. If there is something 'odd' about the timing of my contributions on Azerbaijan, it's purely coincindental. I happened to be researching some articles on Azerbaijan at that time. I've been rather put off contributing following people reverting my simplest attempts to help out but that doesn't mean I want anyone to suspect me of any weird kind of ulteria motive.

I don't know how anyone has the time to go into such lengthy arguments, but if anyone needs me to explain anything can't I receive direct e-mails so that I find out as I don't spend much time in WikiWorld.


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