Wikipedia:Requested templates/Other/2007/April

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Contents 1 Requested a template for a Student Government Association 2 Marist Brothers Schools 3 Non neutral - not disputed 4 "Publisher" and "Location" fields requested for "cite journal" template 5 SMSummary - Short Message Summary Template 6 Cladobox

[edit] Requested a template for a Student Government Association

I am trying to build a Wiki article describing the Thomas More College Student Government (Kentucky). Politics have really heated up on campus recently I I would love to add some information on Wikipedia about our orginization so that students who may look here for information (or other interested persons who find the page from the main article Thomas More College (Kentucky)) can find some usefull information.

We have an Executive Council Consisting of:

President Executive Vice-President Vice-President of Finance Vice-President of Programming Vice-President of Public Relations

A Delagation consisting of

12 Resident Students (living on smapus)

12 Communter students —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesonking (talk • contribs)

What articles do you plan to use this in? A template is a something used in multiple pages, but this looks like something only appropriate to the article Thomas More College Student Government (Kentucky), so normally one would just add the content directly to that article. Furthermore, how much do you have to say about the Thomas More College Student Government which would be considered "encyclopedic"? If that's all you have, why not just merge your article into the one on Thomas More College? I ask because articles about organizations which do not show how it satisfies Wikipedia:Notability sometimes get deleted, but your content would be "safer" as part of the article on the college. On the other hand, if you have a lot of encyclopedic content and can show why this is a notable organization, by all means continue to develop it as a separate article. Does that help? —dgies^t_c 15:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marist Brothers Schools

Please make a template for Marist Brothers Schools in Australia using the information from here Thanks --58.168.243.50

From looking at that list, it might make sense to create a master navbox for all the Marist schools, sorted by region. I don't think it would be too terribly long. Was there any reason you wanted it to be Australia-specific? —dgies^t_c 16:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Just looking at the list, the vast majority of schools are based in Australia, so I figured best to start with Australia. I'm soon going to alter the Marist Brothers and this page to list schools by province, so maybe thats a better way to have then in the navbox. --Mattbray 08:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Non neutral - not disputed

I know there's already a "the neutrality of this article is disputed" template message, but what if there is no doubt that an article does not present a neutral point of view due to it being barely more than a stub, but the correct information present gives a limited view of the topic. I suggest something like:

For example, see Bausch & Lomb. This is one instance where this template message would be appropriate and I've actually already used the message on that page. Could we add this to the standard set of template messages? Sancho 17:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC) Actually, I see that this is the wrong place to make this request now... disregard. Sancho 17:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Publisher" and "Location" fields requested for "cite journal" template

These are needed to reliably a cite a journal article for which no identifying number or code exists, and a location is often necessary to identify publishers outside of the USA, Canada, or Western Europe. It seems to be an omission; cite_news, cite_book, and so on have a publisher parameter, and "publisher" is mentioned in the description of "cite journal" in Wikipedia:Citation_templates. --Randwolf 18:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The request should be made on that page's talk page, or the talk page for the template itself. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:09, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SMSummary - Short Message Summary Template

I am requesting a new template that is a short summary of the article suitable for sending in an SMS message. The template would contain a succinct summary of the article. If possible, it should ensure that the summary is limited to 140 8-bit characters, or 70 16-bit characters.

slw 08:00, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Templates are for use on multiple pages - and honestly I'm not sure if Wikipedia allows summaries, however if you find out they do you'll problably find out that there's some standard style for them (perhaps there's a summary template or something).danielfolsom 11:29, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

You're not talking about a template, you're talking about a project. Templates only format text nicely and do the most basic parsing - the text itself has to come from somewhere. Since those summaries don't exist, if you want summaries for articles, especially limited to 140 or 70 characters, you will have to write them yourself before sending that SMS. Templates can't help you in this regard. Nihiltres^(t.c.s) 12:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Daniel, I am not sure I understand your comment regarding a project. The SMSummary would be akin to the article Introduction. It would be a very brief summation that would be part of each article. I understand this would be a new section of each article. If you mean that it would be a significant undertaking or project to create these summaries, I concur.

Nihiltres, As I mentioned, I understand these summaries do not yet exist. I would like to encourage contributors to create them. When they do, I would like them these summaries to be easy to identify visually and ideally programmatically. I was hoping templates would make this possible. slw 14:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Ohh, so your suggesting a template that would be used on multiple articles - like an infobox except for summaries? (sorry, i thought you meant you just wanted one for the sms article :-D) That changes things - although it also seems like it could be controversial ... if you confirm this, I can gladly create a potential one, but after that you might want to be careful using it - maybe show it to the vilage pump.danielfolsom 14:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Remember - even after I create this be sure to check with the village pump policy, a lot of editors could consider article leads to do the same thing Ok do you mean something like these? (If not just tell me what to change - I don't expect you to like these, just because there are so many variables that go into creation, color, placement, width, ect.)

To Sum It Up

Summary text summary text summary text summary text summary text summary text ...

Article leads should be written in such a way that they could be used for this purpose. It might be worth looking at the first <p> tag in the view of an article generated with action=render (e.g. this page). You'd have to have some heuristics about ignoring things like class=dablink, but it should be possible to extract sentences from the first paragraph for this purpose. Doing this as its own template would still have to deal with people writing text beyond the size limit, so we may as well kill two birds with one stone and get both mobile-ready content and good lead sections. Mike Dillon 14:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cladobox

Neornithes   Paleognathae    Neognathae    Other birds Galloanserae  Anseriformes      Galliformes Craciformes Sample of a hack that misuses Template:Userboxtop

See Clado box. A cladogram generated with the clade template is normally in line and blocks a lot of text, when put in a box it looks nice and text flows around it well. When it is put between userboxtop and userboxbottom, the results are almost perfect. It is however not right to use the userbox template. It would be good if there is a generic box template. Please let us know if there is already one. Thanks. Shyamal 18:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)