Talk:Republicanism in Canada

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This whole article was included on the main Republican page, which was out of proportion and it would have gotten worse, as people added more to it. So it now appears rightly as its own page.

Whoever wants to update this page, should consider writing a better summary on the Republican page -- but best to keep it just to a one paragraph summary, like the other countries.

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[edit] Relevance of Monarchist Links

I see no point in having external links to monarchist pages if this is going to be a page on Canadian Republicanism.-I eat cake! :->

See Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View or Wikipedia:External links as to why this is. --Lholden 05:32, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
[Edit conflict:] They are needed for NPOV Brian | (Talk) 05:36, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

So have them seperated as "Links against a republican government" or something. MikailMoolla 06:45, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Broken Links

The link [1] at the bottom of the Constitutional implications section is broken, the article to which it linked has been removed. Patadragon 07:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Can-pol w.jpg

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BetacommandBot 05:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Polls

Let's have the dispute here, shall we? GoodDay (talk) 19:36, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

It seems Rufus isn't really one for discussion. --G2bambino (talk) 19:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I commented 10 minutes ago but it's not here - so maybe I didn't Save Page (?). Anyway, to repeat: the LATEST polls (not all) belong here because a] they add to the readers' insight about contemporary republican sentiment as a compliment to the historical and b] current polling appears on the Republicanism in Australia page under Current status without any objection whatsoever and no interest at all in removing it. It's obvious to me what the motivation is here. A known monarchist is doing his best to downplay the poll results, which show very low support for the monarchy.MC Rufus (talk) 20:01, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for discussing; I apologise if I misjudged the reason for your lack of earlier comment.
As for the poll, I don't see how it specifically relates to republicanism; nowhere does it gague respondents' feelings on a republic, only the monarchy. Republicanism in Australia is, of course, another article all-together and this one need not be identical to it, however, the polls you point to there do focus precisely on the question of a republic. Perhaps the 2002 Ipsos-Ried poll which found 48% of Canadians said that "the constitutional monarchy is outmoded and would prefer a republican system of government with an elected head of state" would be more apt here. --G2bambino (talk) 20:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, maybe you should take up the issue of poll wording with Ipsos-Ried. In the meantime, I think it's safe to say that the phrase "ending its formal ties to the British monarchy" is universally acknowledged as becoming a republic. If you have data to disprove this, I'd like to see it. MC Rufus (talk) 20:31, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
It's safe for you to say in talk pages all you like, but not to insert into Wikipedia. You must provide the data that affirms your statement that the respondents were thinking of a republic when answering this question on the monarchy. --G2bambino (talk) 20:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
That's nuts. I agree with MC Rufus. You would have to be living under a rock not to know that "ending its formal ties to the British monarchy" is the same as becoming a republic. Also, the fact that current public opion polls appear without contest on the Aus republic page is significant fuel to keep it. Jaye Peghtyff (talk) 20:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm afraid it isn't. There's the possibility of a monarchy not in personal union. I'm not saying that's what respondents were thinking, but then there's nothing to say they were thinking of a republic either; I imagine most Canadians don't know enough about constitutional structures to know that no monarchy equals republic. --G2bambino (talk) 23:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I've little faith in polls (remember Diefenbaker quote), but since they're at the Aussi republican articles? it won't hurt to have them here. GoodDay (talk) 15:42, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

The point, GoodDay, is that the polls at the article Republicanism in Australia specifically asked respondents about a republic. Only one Canadian poll has ever done so, the rest just being about "cutting ties" to the present monarchy, which leaves the option of a purely Canadian monarchy.
Oh yes, "Dief the Chief." Better known as the Canadian PM who almost wiped out the Canadian aircraft industry by killing the Avro Arrow and who fought to the death against Canada's new Maple Leaf flag. He probably didn't like polls because they were always against him. - MC Rufus (talk) 16:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Ha ha. Yep, the Chief was a monarchist. GoodDay (talk) 17:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Head of State

It's often assumed that if Canada became a republic? It would create an office called President of Canada to be Head of State. Has there ever been suggestions of simply bestowing 'Head of State title & duties' on the Canadian Prime Minister? Now, more so with 'fixed' Federal Elections? If so, these suggestions should be added aswell. GoodDay (talk) 18:42, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I remember this being a topic of discussion in Australia before their referendum. It has precedent in the Commonwealth - South Africa. They went from const. monarchy to republic in the early 60s and at first had a prez and PM but then revised their constitution and merged the 2. I'll see if I can dig up anything about Canadian republicans with similar thoughts. - MC Rufus (talk) 20:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Restored Republicanism in Canada

Apparently this page was merged with the Debate on the monarchy in Canada page without sufficient debate. Issues that need discussing:

  • The need for a page to answer searches for republicanism in Canada. Without this page, there is none.
  • Moving all material from Debate on the monarchy in Canada to this page that relates to the history of republicanism and the republican movement as well as the contemporary political and cultural ramifications. Then, if Debate on the monarchy in Canada is to remain, it can do so as an extension of this page to further only the debate over the pros and cons.

McRuf2 (talk) 14:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I wonder what you mean by "sufficient debate."
Regardless, to address each of your points:
  • Canadian articles need not mirror other countries' articles.
  • This page was made as a redirect, therefore a search on republicanism in Canada would take one immediately to Debate on the monarchy in Canada
  • It would be rather difficult, I imagine, for readers to get the jist of the debate when it's split into two separate places. Further, there would necessarily be an awful lot of repetition in order to maintain context in each article. If the debate on the monarchy is the history of republicanism, then why have two articles that say the same thing? --G2bambino (talk) 14:53, 21 April 2008 (UTC)