Talk:Representative realism

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[edit] Merge suggestion

This page should be merged with representationalism. Any objections? Banno 21:07, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it should. -Unknown
Put a merge request so we can put it to vote. I'm undecided, just got into this. Are they completely identical concepts?Tyciol 05:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not the same?

This is not the same thing as representative realism, which is the idea that our perceptions are direct causes of the intrinsic qualities of objects, and based on these perceptions we can infer things about these objects.

I am confused by this statement, it doesn't explain things directly enough... 'what' is not the same as representational realism? It seems like the prior paragraph might have been explaining the second intangible qualities dependant upon perception, but I'm not sure. Tyciol 05:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand what is meant here either. Unless somebody can explain it I think it should be removed Averisk
Representationalism does not have realism as a pre-requisite. Hence, representative realism is not co-extensional with representationalism. Also note that the article appears to be needlessly POV, when it states "nonetheless, it has been... etc", making it sound as if representationalism was something like an obscure dead-end theory, especially since its opponents are clearly representing a small minority in contemporary philosophy.

[edit] Merge boldness

With no objections in 6 months, im goin for the merge. There was also a less developped page called Indirect realism aswell, which i merged into this one.
On the name for this page? lets discuss:

  • "Representative realism" -861 google hits
  • "Representative Theory of Perception" - 517
  • "Indirect realism" -876
  • "epistemological dualism" -9,650

Spencerk 07:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Links Don't Work

The external links at the bottom of the page don't work. One link brings you to a page which says, "Error 404 - The Page Cannot Be Found". The other link brings you to a completely blank page. Can someone please fix this.

[edit] Representationalism (fine arts) and Representative realism (philosophy) are not the same.

I would like to ask two major questions. One is why is it that when I type in Representationalism (an artistic movement) I get a philosophical topic which seems to be related, but distictly different from what I am looking for?

The second thing, is the link in the see also section labeled Representationalism takes you to this page. (circular linking) See the above remark regarding the seperate meanings. [Representationalism]

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(KickAssClown 08:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Thomas Reid

Thomas Reid is a direct realist pur sang, and fierce critic of the concept of sense data, representationalism and the like. For this reason, I've removed the reference to him from this page.

Stdbrouw 11:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aristotle reference needed!

I am desperate for a reference for 'Aristotle realised this and simply proposed that ideas themselves (representations) must be aware' for my phd. If anyone knows where this came from (if it is actually substantiative), please-o-please let me know at my talk page here. Excellent work on this article! Mark Elliott 01:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Representative realism = Symbolism ???

Is representative realism the same as symbolism in literature? (Darkness symbolizes evil, apple symbolizes water...) Swannie 16:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

No. Representative realism simply states that although there is a reality, we do not perceive it directly (we have no "reality detectors"). Instead, what we perceive when we seem to look at an object is the object's representation in our brain. We do not see things "as they really are", but what we make of them. This is consistent with what cognitive science, psychology and neurobiology tell us. We are looking at a philosophical theory of perception, whereas symbolism in literature is no theory, but a certain way of telling a story.