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[edit] ALBANIAN LANGUAGE IS NOT AN OFFICIAL LANGUAGE IN MACEDONIA

ALBANIAN LANGUAGE IS NOT AN OFFICIAL LANGUAGE IN MACEDONIA SO PLEASE STOP WRITING IN ALBANIAN ON MACEDONIAN ARTICLES!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin1636 (talk • contribs) 22:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Hello again, guys. I'm pleased you've used my (Portal:Bulgaria) edition of the portal design and I'm happy there's now a portal on the Republic of Macedonia, but you surely know already that some people get offended by the single use of Macedonia to denote the country. To tell you the truth, it is a bit vague really, and what I first thought when I saw it on the Wikipedia:Community Portal was a portal about the region of Macedonia, this including the parts in Greece and Bulgaria. Anyway, it's up to you to decide and I'm not too keen on starting yet another argument, I'm just offering a suggestion that moving it to Portal:Republic of Macedonia may be the better decision. Regards, → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 16:32, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I suppose every country should have its portal. We have much to learn about the ROM. There also exists a clear precedent that indicates that the portal should be called 'Portal: Republic of Macedonia'. The last thing we need is for people to point at this article as proof that there exist a militant body of Macedonian (Slavs) who are active in blurring the difference between ROM and the 'region', who are promoting a 'Greater Macedona' across 4 neighbouring counries. This portal is full of good intentions and should be a true window to the Republic's unique qualities, but as it stands, it violates the basic principle articulated in Skopje of keeping 'equal distance from its neighbours', it invades them. Please guys, you who began this portal, help us out.Politis 10:57, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] About this portal

Hello. This portal represents a small part of the region of Macedonia (only FYROM). You can't monopolised this name - it should be renamed. The Greek and Bulgarian Macedonia have nothing to do with it. As it is written, it seems just like, it is refering in all Macedonian region.--Makedonas 03:09, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

The name of the portal follows the naming conventions used for portals on Wikipedia: every portal for a country uses country’s short name, as: Spain, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece etc (not the country’s official name, for example, the official name of Greece is Hellenic Republic, but the portal is simply named with Greece). I do know that there are regions in Greece and Bulgaria that are called Aegean or Pirin Macedonia (for example Greece is divided on 13 regions and 3 of them are containing Macedonia in the name) and you can freely describe that in the portals about your countries (Greece and Bulgaria), even you can create sub portals for your regions as well (we have such examples on Wikipedia: United States (New York City, Texas, Utah, Wisconsin). Meanwhile, I will try to reduce the mentioning of your regions in the article. Please, don’t bother with the name of the portal of my country, instead, make good faith contribution to the article. Bitola 08:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Is that really so dear Bitola, look at Portal:People's Republic of China. They do not monopolize the of the entire region like you and your propaganda pusher colleagues are trying to do. And by the way, the state of Wisconsin is not a part of some larger geographical area of Wisconsin and no other country has territories under the name of Wisconsin. Also, there is no Portal:America, rather there exists Portal:United States of America, altough interally the country is simpy referred to as America, so you cannot use the argument "just because we call ourselves like that" FunkyFly 20:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
If you want to make a portal about Macedonia as an area, then in the first sentence of the opening paragraph should be mentioned that it is NOT one country, and spans the territory of 4 countries. FunkyFly 20:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
You know the issue well enough, I believe, and there has been enough discussion both here on Wikipedia and everywhere else. The current name of the portal is vague and possibly offensive to a number of people. When there is ambiguity that could mislead the readers, it has to be removed — if the article about the Republic of Macedonia carries the name Republic of Macedonia and not simply Macedonia, which is a disambiguation page, then this is how it should be. I'm not only going to leave matters the way they are, but I intend to address the issue on a higher level. This problem has to be solved once and for all. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 10:09, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I filed a request for arbitration for the naming conventions of the Macedonia related articles: Wikipedia:RFAR#Macedonia_naming_dispute. Bitola 14:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia is the short name. Republic of Macedonia is the official. And this portal has no intention of insulting anybody (nor "Makedonas" - which is BTW a name that noone sourced it, due to really those people are declaring like that, or "Makedonci (regional)", about which also I'm not sure that is in use), it just represents Macedonia. So, no-need for panic. Bomac 22:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Just because it is not meant to insult it does mean it does not. FunkyFly 23:36, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

You know, this is not a philosophy course. And, don't point only for regional Macedonians, think of Macedonians - the dignity of their name. They are nationality for god sake, not Bulgarians or Greeks, and not some regional expression. Bomac 23:41, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Your polemic is so amusing, and so out of place in this discussion. FunkyFly 00:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't pull it too much! You made FYROM, "republic of Macedonia" and then just "Macedonia". If you think that wikipedia is only a propaganda keep going, but you don't solve the problem like it, you just make things worse.--Makedonas 00:59, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

this portal should either be renamed "R. of M.", or change its scope to be about the entire region, viz. including Greek stuff about Greek Macedonia. "no intention to offend" is not good enough. There has been enough hubbub in high politics about the name so that every child now knows that the term is provocative, and the official name of the country is Republic of Macedonia. So if that's what the portal is supposed to be about, use this name. dab (ᛏ) 09:45, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Does it happening sometimes to you ♠people to think about our opinion, about how we are feeling and how we are getting offended by seeing your constant attempts to change our real name in every single article related to our country? It is realy easy to bother with the name, nationality, language… of other nation. Just think once how you will feel and how you will act if someone is doing the same to you. Bitola 11:37, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

This portal name, insults all Macedonians in Greece, and makes problem bigger. STOP FYROM's PROPAGANDA IN WIKIPEDIA.--Makedonas 11:47, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Matia, don't change the current redirect to the portal:Republic of Macedonia because we agreed to do that until (if) someday we create the portal about the region. Bitola 12:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

If we're going to be playing redirect games, I just made a Portal:FYROM. Enjoy... --Latinus 12:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
  • After all the nonsense I read about the name being offensive and improper, may I ask: does anyone ever update this portal? --B. Jankuloski 10:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
p.s. By the way, it's all easy to talk whatever you please here on the English wiki, but come to the Macedonian wiki and face the real facts about things. We all know that the parts of Macedonia that are now in Greece and Bulgaria were confiscated in the first half of the 20th century. This is official history, indesputable. And yet, you have the guts to talk about some sort of "Greek Macedonia" or "Western Bulgaria". Preposterous... --B. Jankuloski 10:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Slavic language (Greece)

There is an ongoing discussion in Talk:Slavic language (Greece) and Talk:Macedonian language about this controversial article with a controversial heading. Please take a look. --Michkalas 14:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Debate on the correct adjective for Kosovo

Hi! Based on your interest in the Balkans, you may be interested in the currently ongoing debate on whether we should be using Kosovo or Kosovar/Kosovan as the adjective for Kosovo. —Nightstallion 16:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism on this page and nobody notices it!

This page is heavily vandalized and as I can see from its history, this vandalism has been here for a long, long time... And nobody does anything.... I tried to find the original version, but I cannot find it. Also, there are some other changes done meanwihile, and reversing this vandalism need a little bit mora than just a simple click on revert button.... --Maduixa (talk) 16:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I see what you mean... Can the vandals take a break please? This article needs editing but how about some constructive editing(?) Politis (talk) 16:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)