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[edit] Smoking needs to be denominated

I removed it from the list, but than read that only approved people should do so. As such I will undo my edit for now. The article fails on grounds of neutrality. Its a heavily biased article. Naacats 21:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] don't nominate until discussion is finished...?

That puts the burden on me to check this page every day until you have finished, doesn't it? I have nominated Taiwanese aborigines.--Ling.Nut 18:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Sure, we'll consider that nominated! I hope we can re-open this page in a week or two. Thanks, Walkerma 02:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I just noticed the bit about self-nomination. Please note this as a self-nomination. Thanks. --Ling.Nut 00:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question about wikipedia offline project(s)

I addressed this to user BozMo initially, thinking he was in charge of this project? or something related?

I would like a simple description of the project somewhere, as I have read through a number of pages (various talk pages, 1.0 pages, 0.5 pages), and cannot easily distinguish between Wikipedia 0.5 and 1.0, or reach a clear understanding of where each project is at, and how and wether users can contribute. It would be ideal if this outline had a more descriptive name such as 'wikipedia offline (project)' or 'static wikipedia (version).

-thanks, dialectric User:Dialectric

Yes, I agree with you! The problem is that for our first "official" release (i.e., not BozMo's charity release), called version 0.5, we have been very busy, and pages have been created as needed. Once version 0.5 is released I plan to step back and create some kind of site map. The template (on the right) is the closest thing to it, and it's very helpful, but even that is quite out of date and it doesn't include explanations. The real problem is that there are only a handful of active editors trying to do a lot of work. As for the rename, we've discussed that very issue, and that's why this page is called "release version" nominations - but on the other languages the pages are all called version 1.0 for some reason, even the German project that has released several CD and DVD versions already. If you are interested in helping us, and you let us know where your interests lie, we can suggest some suitable tasks, and that would free someone up to work on this! Thanks, Walkerma 15:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pre-nomination

Battle of Tours Eyu100(t|fr|Version 1.0 Editorial Team) 04:49, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

W. S. Gilbert Adam Cuerden talk 16:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Paul McCartney & Milton Friedman. Lincher 04:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alphabet/writing system nominations

Looking at the long list of these on the main nominations page, I wonder if these might better be handled as one big group, i.e., as our first [[Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations/Set Nominations set nomination]]? I notice that the talk pages haven't been tagged yet, so there's no wasted effort there. Set nominations worked well on Version 0.5 for a large group of closely related articles like this - the nominator tags all the talk pages and gives a brief assessment (such as "poor B, rather listy" or "Good B, just a few more refs to be A"). You can make a case for importance and completeness to the linguistically ignorant like myself: "Ulvonian is the parent alphabet for all the peoples of East Africa" or "There are only 17 basic families of alphabet commonly in use, and all of these have been included, hence the need to include Toctic which is only Start-class". Once several reviewers reach consensus - this may take a while - all get added in one go. What do others -esp. Lincher - think of this? Walkerma 05:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

This would normally go with the WVWP for this list was created off of the B+ articles that came from the Writing system index page from Mathbot's assessment stuff. I concur with you and will thus create a seperate Set Nomination page. Lincher 12:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Use of Mathbot

Briefly, we need to count how many articles we have. It wouldn't be very hard to do it, so can somebody ask Oleg? I don't know how Mathbot works, so I probably can't ask. Eyu100(t|fr|Version 1.0 Editorial Team) 06:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

If you want, I'll set up the Version 0.7 project as one of the Mathbot projects, just like 0.5 is. That way we can get nightly updates of the statistics, the log and the listing. Just let me know here. Walkerma 06:39, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I want this version to be updated by Mathbot. Eyu100(t|fr|Version 1.0 Editorial Team) 18:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Importance

I added an importance parameter to Template:Releaseversion. I am going to add instructions to the nominations page. Lots of articles will not have importance ratings, however. Does anybody have an objection? Eyu100(t|fr|Version 1.0 Editorial Team) 23:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't really think one can evaluate the importance of a given article especially if it isn't his/her discipline. Also, this would be subjective (it is already enough for the WVWP) that maybe we should stay out of there. Also, some subject maybe needed and rated as important though they don't meet the simple criteria for being only stubs or they are plagued by NPOV issues or such. After having helped the people at WPBiography, IMHO, it is a pain to give an importance factor. Lincher 02:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Interesting idea. I'm a big fan of importance data - in fact I proposed it - but I can see Lincher's point here. Unlike most WikiProjects, we are expected to review everything from computer games to Roman generals to quantum theory, and we can't easily do this - but maybe that's what eyu100 meant by "Lots of articles will not have importance ratings." How about if we simply use Top and High to tag things like Core topics, countries of the world, global cities, top 200 biographies, maybe Vital articles, that sort of thing? I think that could be very useful, because once we have that collection complete, we could use that as a "must have" core for ALL releases. Walkerma 05:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe just tagging top stuff would be good after all to create a progression of quality of articles (100-top importance → 1000-vital articles →10,000-needed articles → and so on). Anyhow, the way this would be managed shouldn't be decided solely by 1.0 members for some articles, for example on Sri Lanka, are top importance there but were never published outside the country. Lincher 13:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the team can probably just about agree on the top 1000, but I agree that beyond that we need the specialists involved. Walkerma 15:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I think a major pronblem you'd hit is that the "Core" articles, e.g. Science, Language, Recreation, etc, are are overview articles that are expected to cover a wide range, and often do it surprisingly well, but in themselves they're probably not so important - or, at least, useful, as a level or two lower. Perhaps the sensible thing would be to add, say, an FA+ class, for some of the best short articles on a subject out there, to allow for more detailed ranking, and then rank by class. Adam Cuerden talk 17:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

How would we get specialists involved? The Wikiprojects' importance ratings are for their own project, not for this one. (i.e. WikiProject Former Countries would not find Music to be important at all). Although our importance ratings wouldn't be perfect, they would still be better that the Wikiprojects' ratings. Eyu100(t|fr|Version 1.0 Editorial Team) 17:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
In reply to Adam's point - yes, you're right - an article on chemical substance is typically less useful than hydrochloric acid, but unfortunately we need the former type to give context for the latter type. This explains why we want to get past the top-level broad articles into the second level of important but more nitty-gritty subjects. I think we'll get there in Version 0.7.
As for specialists judging importance on specialised topics, I think it's essential. Could a non-chemist judge the relative importance of copper(I) chloride vs. copper(II) chloride? Of course the chemistry project would rate these as more important than would the WP:1.0 team, but the key word here is relative importance. A chemical rated as "Top" importance by WP:Chem should almost certainly be in Version 0.7, one that is "High" would be useful in Version 0.7, but one that is "Mid" importance could probably be missed out unless it's a very nice article, or it's needed for a set (like the chemical elements). If the importance rating is produced by an {imaginary) Wikipedia:WikiProject Copper you would probably only include the "Top" importance articles, because clearly the project's scope is much narrower. This should all become clearer once I've written all of the algorithms for dealing with this for the MartinbotII work at WP:WVWP. Walkerma 20:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mathbot

Walkerma, could you set up the release version for Mathbot? I don't know how to do that. I already posted once, but apparently you didn't notice. Eyu100(t|fr|Version 1.0 Editorial Team) 17:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The bot is now down and, for that matter, the adjustments made by Walkerma in order for the bot to pick up our project is now on hold till the bot works again. Lincher 18:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate pages?

What is the difference between Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations/Vital articles and Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations/Core topics review? Should the former be redirected to the latter? If not, could someone update the intros to clarify? -- Beland 04:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

One was created by the 1.0 team and the second one was copied from that and they changed in parallel. We are now working on the Core Topic one as to add relevant articles to the release version page. As for the Vital articles, they will be easily cross-checked later if it is an actual copy of the former list. If you are willing to help, please do so and feel free to ask questions if you aren't sure how to do it. Lincher 05:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] World music nominations

Please let me know if this discussion should go somewhere else, but the Music of Oregon article is a mess and needs to be cleaned up extensively before it is included. Katr67 20:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I have added your comment here; if you're knowledgable in this area, then please feel free to review and add further comments. Thanks! Walkerma 04:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
By the way, I'd suspect that very few (if any) of the "Start" class will be included - the criteria suggest that Starts are only used to complete a set that is otherwise nearly all B or better. Walkerma 04:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] important subjects, poor articles

trying to fill some cracks in the nom list, i've been adding things like Eggs (food), Census, Bed, Roof, etc. in a quality sense, these articles need improvement. in an importance sense, these articles should be nominated. do these meet the release citeria of Start-Class articles, only if they are part of a set or are essential or Articles needed for completeness? i thought they did, but i'd like to make sure before i feel like i could be spamming the nom list. JoeSmack Talk 16:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

here is a list of others as further examples. some suck, but all are pretty commonplace things. i tended to leave alone ones with a wikiproject assessment of quality/importance (they get to you i think), and i saw about 25-50% were selected for the 2006 CD release:

(oh, sig) JoeSmack Talk 17:21, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Joe - good selection! As you say, they are all fairly important topics, and everyday things like this may not get covered in projects. Some of them certainly look to be usable. I have poor & sporadic internet at the moment (away for Christmas) but I'll take a look properly when I return. Thanks, Walkerma 03:09, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
(Hope you're back) Should they be added? Should I start making lists of noms like these? This one was about 15 min of hunting around. JoeSmack Talk 05:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
not poor but completely wrong articles - when reading about the music of the czech republic, i gradually started to feel irritated as i was coming to a conclusion that the author knows nothing on the topic. i hope there are not many nominees like this.. Muflon 83 10:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

(undent) Somehow or other that article wasn't included in the relevant Wikiproject, where editors could find it. I have notified WP:CZECH. Hopefully they'll get some good editors on it. Ling.Nut 11:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Update?

This page appears to badly need to be updated. It has all sorts of strikethroughs on it, and doesn't address WP:V0.7. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 17:39, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the person who was originally going to take charge here has gone on wikibreak, and I have been too busy with Version 0.5 up until now to take over. If nothing happens in the next day or so, I will get things going myself (V0.5 now has finished beta testing). I plan to get a lot of people actively reviewing, if I can. Would you be able to help us out? Thanks, Walkerma 18:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, I've made a start by writing a new FAQ page to guide our new reviewers. I will sharpen up the selection criteria, clean up this page, then we should be able to be in business! Walkerma 06:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Thats a good little FAQ; you might want to post it up on the Notices section of the community portal. JoeSmack Talk 14:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
  • This page still has strikethroughs. What does that mean? Also, it says that all Featured Articles are automatically nominated. What does that mean exactly (I.e. do they automatically get included? Who makes sure none are missed? etc.) Johntex\talk 21:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
    Yes, I've been too busy to clean up the page - to clean it up means actually writing several new pages. I also didn't get around to posting about the new FAQ, sorry Joe! All FAs are nominated (i.e., they don't need to be explicitly added to this page) because they automatically pass on quality. One of the review team will then review it for importance - if it looks to be too specialised for a general release it gets debated, and if two other reviewers agree it gets held over. Most FAs will pass, though. We make a list of current FAs, and remove or strike through all that have been reviewed. Then, as we review, we strike through the article name on our review list. Maybe I'll add this question to the FAQ once I get the FA Review page going! Thanks, Walkerma 21:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
  • OK thanks. That is helpful. An article I started (Baby Gender Mentor) just made it through the FA process. I will be interested in watching whehter it gets selected. It is certainly not as important as DNA but it does touch on some important social issues. Johntex\talk 22:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] noms since Jan; project defunct?

Hey, is there a time line on this project? It's looking pretty inactive...? --Ling.Nut 03:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, the work was pretty much put on hold while WP:V0.5 was being finalized, and while MartinBotII was ready. The first one is done, and the second one is coming far along, so there'll be some activity here soon. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 03:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Titoxd. Long time since I've run into you. :-) Cheers! --Ling.Nut 03:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Heh. Same here. Hopefully V0.5's release this week will bring more eyes here, which are always "more better". Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 03:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

(undent) If there is still a significant amt. of work to be done in mid-to-late August-ish, then I'll be happy to chip in. 'Til then, see ya round... --Ling.Nut 03:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Planned Set Nomination

The following pages for musical artists will be apart of my set nomination for "Popular Music". These Three I nominated myself:

These were nominated by someone else

  • Smashing Pumpkins (we should wait until Zeitgeist comes out if we nominate it, so the project doesn't seem dated)
  • Frank Zappa (which is one of the best articles on the site and I have used it to show people the good aspects of open editing on Wikipedia, just added)

Any other popular artists? Doc Strange 13:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Further more, i believe that John Peel should be added to the disc. Doc Strange 18:38, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Without actually checking out the articles, I would think:
- Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Lynard Skynard, Black Sabbath, Rolling Stones, The Doors
- ZZ Top, Aerosmith, AC/DC, Metallica, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Tool
And +1 for Smashing Pumpkins and Frank Zappa --Crimson30 18:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Let's not forget Stone Roses, The Smiths and Oasis, all hugely influential Manchester bands. Walkerma 01:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Struck out instructions

Um... why are the "fail" instructions struck out? I don't know if it is because they were outdated, or if there is something I'm missing... Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 17:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

And while we're at it, what importance criteria are we using? We need to be more relaxed than V0.5, so are we holding articles or not? If we hold them, where does the line reside? How many articles do we want in this release? Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 17:30, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

There are quite a few things that were hastily copied over from Version 0.5 but which need reworking. I'm not totally sure what was meant by the strikeouts, but I'm guessing these are things that needed fixing - thanks for doing that. There are still some sub-pages that need this cleaning up. Regarding importance, good point, I think I'll have to put things in writing. I've been holding off, wondering whether MartinBotII is going to help us or not. Based on what I've heard today, I think we WILL have a bot helping us. That means we may get 10,000-50,000 articles, which means we CAN be a bit more relaxed about importance. Hence my comments on the Dinosaur set nomination. Walkerma 03:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Speaking of which, there's no FA review page, so the instruction to "not nominate FAs here" is a bit troubling. What are we doing with FAs? Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 23:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I chose not to do an FA review page, because these will definitely on the list to be checked by MartinBotII. That way we can focus our energies on other things like Set Nominations, where the bot is less useful. But if the bot fails for some reason, then we need to set one up. The Toolserver should stabilise this month, so hopefully we can test the bot soon. Walkerma 01:59, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Weapons and military equipment additions I'd like to see

Some obvious military aircraft/vehicles:

Some key weapons:

Key cartridges:

General:

Add a good portion of those and it would certainly help flesh out that Weapons and military equipment section. --Crimson30 18:51, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Please nominate them on the project page, not on the talk page. This will get archived, and the reviewers will not see them... Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 18:51, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Roger that. Done deal. Crimson30 19:51, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] cinema

How come there's no theatre&film section? Miskin 22:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

It is under Lang and Lit. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 23:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. Miskin 23:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Set nomination reviews

We now have quite a few set nominations, but very little feedback from the review team on these. Because of the layout of the page (transclusion), we don't get a watchlist reminder like we do for the main page, so you have to actually remember to check it. I want to make an appeal for our reviewers: Please take a look at any of these that take your fancy, and give your thoughts. I will probably want to promote soon a selection from the woodworking selection, dinosaurs and perhaps the writing systems, as these have all been around with comments for over a month. Note that these set noms can provide a large addition to our article numbers quickly, and provide a nice set where people can find blue links connecting to related articles - giving us a little extra depth in certain areas. Please take a few minutes to help! Walkerma 03:24, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:WP1.0

Just a note on Template:WP1.0|v0.7=nom. The directions say that if you are nomating an article, you are to place this template on the article's talk page. However, the template reads as if the article had already been reviewed. Don't know if this is a mistake or intentional. Just a heads up. MrPrada 02:04, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Good point! There are one or two other things like this that need fixing. I'll raise these with the person who wrote the template for us. These "smart" templates can be hard to write. Thanks for pointing this out! Walkerma 05:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Music of Alabama

has serious, serious problems. I believe the same could be said of many (if not most) of the articles about music in any one of the 50 states. I propose removing all of them, unless they happen to have reached GA or FA status. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 05:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

  • No disagreements here. I note that a total of 23 articles are at FA, A, or GA class in that set nomination. A few of them, including Music of Athens, Georgia and Music of Philadelphia, I can see not including on the basis of lack of importance. The same would hold for many of the Music of US state articles at those levels. I would agree to including the "national" music articles of that level, though. John Carter 14:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree that we probably don't need separate music articles for every US State at this point, at least until the general standard improves. There are a few cities that deserve at least consideration because of a seminal influence on music worldwide - New Orleans, Nashville, Seattle, London (UK), Manchester (UK), places like that. With decent articles, Athens, GA and Philly are at least significant enough to be included (I've heard of the music scenes of both and their importance to pop music from documentaries on TV/radio, etc) - we need to get 30,000 articles total, which means that a GA, A or FA has to be pretty obscure (e.g., Foo, obscure Seinfeld episodes) to get rejected on importance. I'll leave further comments on the set noms page. Walkerma 15:49, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anger

This article was discussed here before (Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations/Held nominations/Archive1) and was rejected. I almost rewrote the article and is now GA. So, I think it can be added for release. --Be happy!! (talk) 07:47, 26 January 2008 (UTC)