Talk:Religious freedom in Algeria
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"The law limits the practice of other faiths" - even if true, which I don't think it is, this is too vague for an encyclopedia. Limits how? - 64.81.54.23 21:27, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
That is mentioned later in the article. One exampel is "Muslim women cannot marry non-Muslim men (Family Code I.II.31).[1]."
Also, it is reasonable to include in the lead section of the article, because that section is supposed to be a summary of the whole article. Stereotek 18:22, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
But that isn't a limitation of "the practice of other faiths"; rather, that's a case of religious discrimination. I've searched for evidence that it does limit the practice of other faiths, and found none. - Mustafaa 18:49, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I disagree, I think it is. Many religions consider marriage to be a religious ceremony, and because of that, the law limit non-Muslims rights to practice that specific part of their religion. They are only allowed to practice (the by some religions considered "holy" /see:[2]) marriage with other non-Muslims. In other words it is of course a case of discrimination, but this kind of discrimination also deny non-Muslims the right to pratice their religion freely, with whoever they wish to. "The law limits the practice of other faiths" Stereotek 19:06, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
To the contrary. No religion requires you to marry members of other religions; you can quite happily practice any religion with or without this law. With respect to Muslim women, this law has no impact on religious freedom - as Islam forbids such marriages - and with respect to non-Muslim men, this law limits their choices of wife, not their freedom to practice their religion. If we start listing limitations on marriage as limitation of "the practice of other faiths", we would have to list incest laws, anti-gay marriage laws, and a whole bundle of other completely irrelevant stuff. - Mustafaa 19:48, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
To summarize: It's not a "limitation of the practice of other faiths" to ban something that's permissible to them. It's religiously perfectly acceptable for a Christian to take marijuana (depending on who you ask), but that doesn't mean a ban on marijuana is a "limitation of the practice of Christianity": it's only a "limitation of the practice of Rastafarianism". - Mustafaa 20:17, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I will still argue that the law limit the practice of non-islamic religions, in a way that Islam is not limited. Muslim men can practice their religious islamic marriages without limitations, when they get marriaged to a non-Muslim woman. A non-Muslim man is on the other hand not allowed to practice his religious marriage, if he should want to marriage a Muslim woman. The law limits his practice of his non-Muslim faith, in a way that the Muslim man is not limited in his practice of his religion. Stereotek 20:34, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
What gives you that impression? Just because the law does not recognize such marriages doesn't mean it bans the performance of the marriage ceremony. - Mustafaa 20:44, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
"To summarize: It's not..." First of all I don't think it's reasonable to compare a marriage to a Muslim woman to taking marijuana :-) Also, I must admit that I don't know much about Rastafarianism, but maybe it actually does interfere with their religious practices, to ban marijuana. But then I would argue that there are proberly more real and valid non-religious arguements for these laws. The laws against specific religious marriages is on the other hand, as you mention yourself, "a case of religious discrimination." Stereotek 21:37, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
"What gives you that impression?..." If the law doesn't recognize the non-Muslim man/Muslim woman marriage, the law atleast limit the the value of the non-Muslim religious practice, in a way that the (by Islam accepted) practices is not limited. "The law limits the practice of other faiths" in a way that makes them meaningless. That is as mentioned NOT the case if a Muslim man wish practice his religious marriage, and get marriage to a non-Muslim woman. Stereotek 21:37, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
You might as well say the US law against polygamy limits the practice of other faiths; do you say that? And ss I understand it, marijuana serves Rastafarians in much the same way as wine serves Christians: an essential substance for certain religious rituals. - Mustafaa 22:33, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Bouteflika quote
No doubt Bouteflika did say "the Algerian people is 100% muslim!" or words to that effect, but to include a quote, you really have to give the source - newspaper and date, for instance. By all means readd it once you find it! - Mustafaa 19:10, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I saw him saying that in the ENTV, I don't remember if it was an official speech or an electoral one, I really doubt finding that quote in a news paper. If I find it, I'll post it.--Agurzil 19:57, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
