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[edit] Waluigi Pinball Wizardry

Playing the ol' Mario Kart DS recently, I noticed that the item box roulette sound was quite a bit different on Waluigi Pinball than on the other courses (more arcadey, which is fitting, I guess). However I have no good way to prove my suspicion it does. Also, I'm don't know if any other courses have a different item roulette sound to all the others, or whether this phenomenon is confined to this one course, in this one game (don't misunderstand me, because obviously the item roulette sounds are different in each game). Can anyone help? Vitriol 01:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I've played through that course again, and the item roulette sound is definitely different. I believe that the roulettes on all the other courses are the same, as I've played through each course countless times (trying to get a rank of one star or higher on every course). Also, the roulette in previous most likely all sound the same (I only own Double Dash and this, so I may be wrong, but if Double Dash Didn't have it, the previous games most likely don't, either. -- TheGreatLlama (speak to the Llama!) 01:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Maybe it's an easter dreg. Vitriol 01:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tequila mixto

It is my understanding that tequila not using 100% agave is designated a mixto. Further, mixto must contain at least 51% agave and bottled at the distillery to be tequila. I have now discovered that if the tequila is shipped in bulk and bottled in another country (ie USA) the agave factor may drop to 40%? Can anyone verify/clarify this as fact or folly? Thanks. --Walther40 01:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BBC World / Reuters correspondent

Hello,

I'm looking for the name of a correspondent for BBC World and Reuters (i guess) in Hong Kong. The show is called World Business Report and apparently she's not on the BBC website information. Thanks!

ThelmaL 06:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

It could possibly be Tara Joseph, a Reuters correspondent based in Hong Kong. --Canley 23:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, saw it this morning on TV, thanks anyway. ThelmaL 05:47, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Songs

This is a strange question, but I'm looking for songs/music that would have been well known in 1780's Britan (or there about) I am looking for specific examples, not types.

One example - George Frideric Handel's Hallelujah Chorus from Messiah (1742). Still well-known today - THE GREAT GAVINI {T-C} 07:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
You want to look at Charles Dibdin and, for example, his song Tom Bowling. Try http://www.contemplator.com/history/dibdin.html --G N Frykman 08:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm looking for something more familiar to the common man/peasent, like something that doesn't necessiraly have any musical excellence,just very familiar to many people in that time and place.

Yankee Doodle started out as a song making fun of American soldiers at about that time (a tad bit earlier, during the French and Indian War). StuRat 08:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Would that have been known in Britain? What about songs by Thomas Arne or his son, such as "The Lass with the Delicate Air". JackofOz 09:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I should think so, having been brought there by returning British soldiers. As for your suggestion, "lass" doesn't rhyme with "air", how could we fix that ? :-) StuRat 20:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I myself personally prefer lads with delicate ... airs (ahem). That doesn't solve your rhyming problem, but the mental image certainly makes me feel better.  :--) JackofOz 22:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Really ? Since you were married and had kids I assumed you were straight. I guess you've decided to "pitch for the other team". Oh well, I suppose somebody has to "do crack". :-) StuRat 17:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
If that was a flirt, I'm sorry but I'm spoken for, and I don't play around. But I appreciate the interest anyway, and if I had the remotest idea of what you actually look like, I might even be flattered. (I do have a made-up mental image of you, but it's not a pretty sight). :--) Seriously though, I've mentioned this various times on the Ref Desk. Seems you haven't been paying attention to my posts, Stu, or read my profile carefully enough. My male partner is mentioned there before my previous history (which is really only there so that I can acknowledge my kids. Despite appearances, not all Aussies are "bastards"). JackofOz 10:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Ewwwww ! No, it's definitely not "a flirt". I don't get "into" guys and I don't go "down" or "under". "Not that there's anything wrong with that", to quote Seinfeld. StuRat 16:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
You might try things that are currently Nursery Rhymes and Traditional Songs, like Pop goes the weasel. I'm sure many others of these would be known too. Skittle 10:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I can't find my book of Nersury Rhymes that might help with dates, but Carols are also a good place to look. Hark the Herald Angels got added to the New Version of the Psalms in 1782, according to The New Oxford Book of Carols, While Shepherds Watched was ridiculously well known, as at one point (1700 - 1782) it was the only christmas song allowed in church. Both were added to the New Version of the Psalms by Tate and Brady and bound up with the Book of Common Prayer, and thus became known everywhere. However, bear in mind their tunes varied greatly. The tune we usually sing 'While Shepherd's watched' to (Winchester) is older than the words, so probably known then too. Look to hymn tunes and carol tunes for old melodies. The tune to the British version of 'Oh Little Town' is called 'Forest Green', the tune of 'Good King Wenceslas' is 'Tempus adest floridum'. The tune you probably know to 'Hark the Herald' was written by Mendelssohn later than your time-frame. It would probably have been fit to any popular hymn tune. Try searching for 'broadside' as well; things on them would have been well known to the public at the time of printing. Skittle 11:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
And finally, apparently the tune to which we sing 'God rest ye merry, gentlemen' was one of the most ubiquitous tunes in England for centuries. 'While Shepherds watched' to that would not be unusual. Skittle 11:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
  • How about "The World Turned Upside Down"? It's said to have been played at Cornwallis' surrender:
If buttercups buzz'd after the bee,
If boats were on land, churches on sea,
If ponies rode men and if grass ate the cows,
And cats should be chased into holes by the mouse,
If the mamas sold their babies
To the gypsies for half a crown;
If summer were spring and the other way round,
Then all the world would be upside down.

--jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 14:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

What about works by Robert Burns? He even came up with his own version of John Barleycorn and there's a large list here. The first printed version of Barbara Allen came out in 1780. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 15:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
How about "To Anacreon in Heaven"? User:Zoe|(talk) 16:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
And Lilliburlero. JackofOz 22:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

This is all very good-i only expected like 3 answers lol. Thanks to everyone who answered-i got more than i need.

[edit] Cite Additions to an article

I have recently made additions to the chevron article and am able to give very relavant proof of my criticisms, but am not sure how to do this. It basically concerning thier involvement in the 1985 Sudanese conflict. how would i do this.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.115.175.247 (talk • contribs)

  • What form is this citation in? Is it a book, a website or something else? Wikipedia:Cite your sources should get you on your way. - 87.209.70.231 10:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I fact as well as in the book They Poured Fire on us From the Sky by Alephosion Deng Benson Deng and Benjamin Ajak, (all southern sudanese Dingka refugese(i think they would know)) It i possable to see that when the oil fields in sudan were discovered, it coincided with the government expulsion and land grab of southern sudan by the janjaweed, to remove the native unhabitants and gain control of the oil reserves. Read your cite link, thanks but not much help.

To use that as an inline citation, you would use the following code:
<ref>{{cite book | title=They Poured Fire on us From the Sky | first=Alephosion | last=Deng | coauthors=Deng, Benson; Ajak, Benjamin; Bernstein, Judy A | publisher=PublicAffairs | id=ISBN 1586483889}}</ref>
Horrible looking, I know, but it's not all that bad once you peer at it. The <ref></ref> tags will put whatever is in the middle of those tags into a footnote wherever there is a <references/> tag. In Chevron Corporation, that's already there in the 'Notes' section (edit it and have a look), so all you have to do is add the above code to the end of whatever you wrote, and when you click 'save', a footnote number will appear at the end of your paragraph and the reference will be in the 'Notes' section. m:Cite.php has the full explanation, as well as better (colour-coded) examples.
The {{cite book}} template that I've put within the ref tags automatically fills out a suitable citation when you input the author(s), title, publisher and ISBN number as described above. You can just write the citation yourself, but {{cite book}} makes sure the style is right. --Sam Blanning(talk) 12:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

If you wish to add inline citations checkout this page. TomStar81 02:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minimum Markup Laws/Underselling?

What is it called when you sell a product for less than others? (As in, say, a large grocery store coming to a small store and running the local grocery store out of business by charging rock-bottom prices, and then driving up prices once there is no competition?)

A local grocery store where I live is always in trouble for charging less for gasoline than smaller convenient stores, violating "minimum markup laws," yet there's no article for the term, so I'm not sure if that's what it's called. --Demonesque 11:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Under cutting is the term. One under cutts the competition. This is highly unethical. But price fixing can also lead to accusations of a consortium or mafia type sydicatism

No, undercutting is different, and is neither illegal nor unethical - it's the reason capitalism works. Predatory pricing is the answer to the original poster's question, but it's selling at a loss (rather than below a certain markup) that's illegal, and only under certain circumstances. Ironfrost 11:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
(after edit conflict) The "it's just good business" term is loss leader (where you sell one or two headline items off cheap, in the hope of getting more punters in the door - garden centres sell growbags cheap, in the hope people will buy expensive plants to put in them). But doing it to deliberatly damage a competitor (rather than just a clever strategy for making money in the short term) is called predatory pricing. Writing a law which allows effective detection and prosecution of the former, without making introductory offers, sales, and other perfectly legal and welcome promotions is very difficult (which is why prosecutions for predatory pricing are very rare). "Undercutting" absolutely isn't the correct term - undercutting simply means "selling for less than the competition" - if you run your business better than your competitor (cheaper rent, better negiciation, lower costs, buying in bulk) then it's perfectly fair and legal that you undercut him, and it's to the benefit of the consumer. A "minimum markup law" sounds like a scheme for bad businessmen to evade lawful competion and keep fleecing the consumer. See also dumping (pricing policy) when artificially low pricing concerns international trade. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 11:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for your answers. :) --Demonesque 11:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I should explain why "undercutting" is typically legal but "predatory pricing" and "dumping" are sometimes not. If your company can actually sell for less and still make a profit, because it's more efficient, then your company should survive and push out the competitors. However, when a company isn't more efficient but has deeper pockets (lots of cash), they can sell at a loss, forcing the competition to do the same and go out of business first. The idea is then to sell more and at higher prices, after the competition has been removed. In the case of dumping, one country provides subsidies to an industry to enable them to sell at prices that otherwise would have meant a loss. The idea is to destroy the industry in other nations, then sell to them at higher prices, once they have no alternative domestic source of production. China does this a lot, and has destroyed many industries already, such as TV manufacturing in the US. StuRat 20:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Governments do this too, by letting airplanes run on tax-free fuel. This gives airlines an unfair advantage (and a huge one) over other transportation modes. I've once heard that this combined with the fact that airlines are having difficulties surviving means it's a pretty crappy business - if the free market were to operate here, there would be just a few airlines with small airplanes for the very rich. DirkvdM 05:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't think failing to tax fuel (iniquitous as it is) makes much difference. It's the free market which has driven prices down, and bankrupted the inefficient. If all airlines had to pay tax on fuel, it would drive everyone's prices up and move the competition on. (It might also reduce demand, leading to contraction, but that's a different issue; contraction can be hard to manage even for efficient and profitable businesses). The US could introduce fuel tax, and it could work. In Europe and smaller countries, it may not work as expected; companies could simply buy their fuel where it remains untaxed, even if they have to waste more fuel flying there, or flying with excess fuel. So the effect could be the opposite of what environmentalists want (less flights). In terms of competition with trains, for example, the tax issue is very real in Europe. Notinasnaid 17:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I was talking about alternatives like trains and ships (sea or river). Neither are a good option in the US, but in Europe they are. This would mostly influence holiday makers, to whom an extra half day travelling is often an option. But then this should be done throughout Europe to avoid people flying to a neighbouring country. Flying with excess fuel will probably not happen because airports don't allow that (for security reasons), I believe. Another option would be to not tax the energy for trains and ships either. Which would be an ironic way to get energy consumption down.
By the way, not only environmentalists (should) want this. As far as I am concerned this is basically just about climate change, not the enviroment in general. And if you don't give a hoot about the climate or the environment (or don't think tere is a threat), then there is still the problem of energy sources running out, and there will be very few who don't acknowledge that problem. Although some might think that it will not affect them in their lifetime and don't want to be bothered with the consequences to others (future generations). Alas there are too many such people. DirkvdM 09:50, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Then there is the basic issue of fairness. How is it fair to passenger train and ship companies to charge them fuel tax but exempt their competition ? I suppose such a policy could be justified when the airline industry was young, but now that it's mature, such a tax advantage to one industry would be expected to lead to an inefficient allocation of resources, with more people taking flights despite the greater pre-tax costs. I wonder if those industries negatively effected can sue the government for discriminating against them. StuRat 16:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Which government? I believe the official excuse for this is that airports are political no-man's land. Then again, I doubt that countries have given up the right to enforce their laws there completely. DirkvdM 04:09, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Airports are not "a political no-mans land". They are each controlled by a specific government. The only exception I can think of is "duty free shops", which are exempt from the tax laws of that government. They don't sell jet fuel at those shops, though, unless you feel like running your jet on wine, LOL. (Although, if the pilots are drunk, why shouldn't the plane get drunk, too ?) StuRat 21:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Incredible. When I search for the terms 'tax' and 'fuel' on the airport, aviation and list of aviation topics articles, I get nothing on this (only remarks about expensive fuel!), nor when I search for 'air' or 'plane' on fuel tax. Surely this issue must be dealt with somewhere on Wikipedia? DirkvdM 04:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Do I Need a Visa to this country?

I am a malysian citizen. i have a malaysian passport. do I need a visa to go Japan?

This page doesn't list Malaysia as one of the visa exempt nations, so it looks very likely that you will require a visa to enter Japan. You'll need to visit a Japanese embassy or consulate in Malasia to obtain a visa. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 12:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm really curious now since some of the countries have a 3 month period and some a 90 day period, but that makes no sense to me as 90 days isn't that far off from 3 months. Is it a country thing? ColourBurst 20:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
The Embassy of Japan in Malaysia website gives a lot of useful information. If you do not live near Kuala Lumpur, there are consulates in Penang, Johor Bahru and Kota Kinabalu. You can obtain a visa from any of these (addresses and telephone numbers). Visas are free of charge, and this page lists the various requirements. It mentions that there is a visa-exeption arangement between Japan and Malaysia, but that all Malaysian nationals are now encouraged to obtain a visa before travel. — Gareth Hughes 14:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Reading between the lines, I am guessing that the visa exemption was left in place formally to let Malaysia "save face," but that if a Malaysian national arrived at a Japanese airport without a visa, that person might be required to produce an unpredictable list of documents to prove that he or she did not intend to stay in Japan (e.g., a return ticket, proof of ongoing employment in Malaysia, or who knows what else) and could end up on the next plane back to Malaysia. If I were Malaysian, I would get the visa first. Marco polo 18:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I'm not at all proud of the fact, but it's common street knowledge that immigration officers here rarely give second glances to Canadian, US, British, or Australian passports, but are much more likely to "enforce rules" for visitors from South Asian and African countries. Racial profiling isn't exactly a topic that they talk about on the news.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  19:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arneson

When is Dave Arneson's birthday? NeonMerlin 13:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Sometime in 1955

[edit] Axis of Justice

What are Axis of Justice, is it a political movement, or just a group of musicians sharing socialist ideology. What are their aims, is it purely musical, or are they actually trying to acheive something. The article is unclear. Are they actively doing anything to promote the opposition to capitolism that the article claims they have? Philc TECI 13:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cricket test match old trafford 1956

How many of the 1956 English Test team are still alive today in Aug 2006? 1956 was the year that Laker took all 19 wickets? Thankyou

Google did not provide me a useful source to help you. :\ --Proficient 04:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm looking at the article List of English Test cricketers, and clicking on the links to the ones who are listed as playing in 1956. So here goes: Jim Laker (died 1986); Godfrey Evans (died 1999); Johnny Wardle (died 1985); Trevor Bailey (still alive); Brian Close (still alive); Gilbert Parkhouse (died 2000); Doug Insole (still alive); Derek Shackleton (still alive); David Sheppard (died 2005); Brian Statham (died 2000); Willie Watson (died 2004); Tom Graveney (still alive); Peter May (died 1994); Fred Trueman (died 2006); Tony Lock (died 1995); Alan Moss (still alive); Bob Appleyard (still alive); Jim Parks junior (still alive); Peter Loader (still alive); Frank Tyson (still alive); Colin Cowdrey (died 2000); Ken Barrington (died 1981); Fred Titmus (seems to be still alive); Peter Richardson (still alive); Alan Oakman (still alive). I've left out ones where it says in the article they didn't play in 1956. --Canley 08:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


Actually, Denis Compton (d.1997) and Cyril Washbrook (d.1999) are missing from the list above. Close, Parkhouse, Shackleton, Parks, Loader, Barrinton and Titmus did not appear in any matches. http://howstat.com.au/cricket/Statistics/Series/SeriesAnalysis.asp?SeriesCode=0110&Scope=02 contains the series averages for England. Tintin (talk) 14:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ladies' night

The Price discrimination article says nightclubs often hold ladies' nights (where women get discounts on admission and/or drinks) because a surplus of men is unpopular with both sexes. It seems to me that a nightclub (or, indeed, any institution catering mainly to heterosexually active singles — a "meat market") that has mostly women will be attractive to men, and vice versa, since it is easier to get an attractive date when there is more demand and less competition. Thus, it would tend toward equilibrium, and there should be no particular reason for the management to disturb this equilibrium. Perhaps someone could elucidate? NeonMerlin 14:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Some clubs have trouble getting women in and, as you have observed, this makes them less attractive to men too. These clubs hope that by attracting more women they will attract more men. (straight)Women are generally less likely to be attracted to a club full of straight men than straight men will be to be attracted to a club full of straight women. Or any women. Men seem to view clubs as an opportunity to meet women they might date (or more), women do not tend to view clubs as places to meet men to date. Thus their priorities are different. See what happened in Canal Street (Manchester). Women tend to like a club with fewer men. Does this help? Skittle 14:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, the article doesn't relate it, and I have no cites. Basically, women started going to the gay bars to avoid straight men. Straight men realised there were a lot of nubile young women in the bars, so they started going too. This culminated in a lot of the bars losing their character, some violence, and some bars started asking people if they were gay before letting them in. Canal Street found its feet again, but consider why those women were going to gay bars. Skittle 14:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I haven't read the price discrimination article (yet), and this might be a bit of a tangent, but there are other reasons why clubs and bars hold 'ladies' nights' besides trying to attract more women to make male customers happy. There are three issues: 1) women drink less than men; 2) some women feel uncomfortable going to bars alone; and 3) some women feel uncomfortable having more than one or two drinks in a bar (for safety, and also not to appear like a lush). 'Ladies' Nights' create the appearance of a safer, more fun and 'female friendly' bar atmosphere where women can relax and get plastered. The discount drinks aren't only to use women as lures for men, they're also to hopefully turn women who drop by the bar once a week with their boyfriends or co-workers into regulars.--Anchoress 15:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
This makes it seem like straight women do everything they can to avoid meeting straight men. JIP | Talk 15:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
LOL. I think it's a localised problem, not universal. No offence to any Brits reading, but I noticed Skittle cited a phenomenon documented in London, and I personally found the bar scene in the UK (when I lived there) a lot less ... refined (to put it politely) than what I was used to from the bar scene in Vancouver. It wasn't like a horror story or anything, but at pretty much all the bars and clubs I went to there were a lot more fights, a lot more juvenile behaviour (I had a guy drop his fly and piss in my purse when I refused to dance with him lol), and I was always a bit nervous leaving around closing time; it was a bit of an obstacle course outside with lots of drunk driving, lots of guys barfing and relieving themselves, and big groups of really drunk yobbos chucking beer bottles around and making a nuisance of themselves. Is Canada completely free of this behaviour? Oh no, definitely not. But for whatever reason, I found it way more common in the UK. I can completely understand London girls seeking out gay bars, because going to a straight bar in London without guys running shotgun was often more trouble than fun.--Anchoress 15:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
How rude, Miss Manners clearly states that the proper etiquette is to piss in a woman's shoe when she refuses to dance, not her purse ! :-) StuRat 20:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
No. Straight women just prefer not to be harassed (for lack of a better term) and bars are very easy places for harassment (people + drinking = logic out the window.) ColourBurst 20:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
(Canal Street is in Manchester). I don't think it's that there is more idiotic behaviour in the UK than elsewhere, but that the greater population density means the dickheads are always that much closer to you. Sausage fests are regarded as undesirable (within the hetero world, of course) in the US and Canada as they are elsewhere. Here is an interesting paper examining the fallacies inherent in applying a one-sided market analysis to a two-sided market (scroll down to section 2 - the eight fallacies), arguing that differential pricing in nightclubs is economically sound as men (who spend more) are more likely to go to clubs with a higher proportion of women. Natgoo 19:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Oops, sorry about being geography-deficient. But while I hear what you're saying, and I am not trying to turn my personal experience into a generalisation about a whole culture, but it wasn't just population density that made closing time harrowing at British pubs. --Anchoress 01:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I live in a small town in England (population 10,000 - only one night club) and I can assure that our local lads have nothing to learn from their big-city counterparts. Its not Saturday night if they dont end up blind drunk and having a ruck in tha car park. Jameswilson

So why would women go to a club, even at a discounted price, if not for a wide selection of straight men? If they want to meet other women, gay men or a more selective dating pool, it seems to me there should be other good places to do that (activity clubs, work, gyms, church/synagogue/mosque, etc.). I thought the purpose of going to nightclubs was short-term dating, plain and simple. Am I just not getting it? NeonMerlin 01:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Huh, wow. Not speaking for all women, but I have never gone to a bar or a club for 'short-term dating' purposes, I mean never. I go to meet people yes, sometimes, but just to socialise in situ, not to get picked up or to find a date. I think I'm like a lot of women who just go to dance, have a couple of drinks (no booze for me, just pepsi with extra cherries), have fun with friends, meet and chat and dance with new people, show off new shoes, unwind. Maybe that's the main problem? Men go to bars and clubs to pick up women, but women don't go there to get picked up? I know that if most of the men in a bar or club assumed I was there to get picked up/laid or whatever, I'd be hightailing it to a gay bar too, lol.--Anchoress 03:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Where do women generally go to find a date, then? JIP | Talk 16:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
The Internet? LOL. Uh, I'm not the person to ask because I get stopped on the street and asked for dates (not kidding, not boasting). But work, school, hobbies, thru friends and family, fender benders, pet cemeteries, the gym, and, uh, clubs? Lol. I've never gone to a club to get a date, but I have gone on dates with guys I met at clubs. Nothing came of it, but a date's a date!--Anchoress 16:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Anchoress, I think myspace is geared more towards teens and people in their twenties. I remember one of my friends going out on a date with a guy who asked her out in a bus. Anyways, "finding a date" isn't really a problem for a lot of women. "Finding a date with someone that fits into her idea of what a date should be like" is another story. ColourBurst 20:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Um... that was a joke? Hence the 'LOL'?--Anchoress 01:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm guessing that it's exactly this sort of thinking that would lead a woman to want to go to a club where she's less likely to be hit upon. (Disclaimer: I'm male, and I've been happily married for over 20 years.)–RHolton≡– 03:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Not really. Some of my female friends actually go to clubs to dance and talk with friends. It's not out of the question. ColourBurst 20:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] getting a wikipedia reference

Does anyone know what to do to get your own wikipedia reference?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Babarella81 (talk • contribs)

I'm not sure I understand your question. What do you mean by a "reference"? Do you mean an article? And do you mean an article about yourself? First, please see WP:BIO to determine if you are notable enough for your own article. User:Zoe|(talk) 16:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Do you want an article or a user page? These are completely different things. You should only get an article if you're well known enough for someone, whom you have never met, to have heard of you and think you're famous enough to be mentioned. OTOH, you can create a user page straight away, and put almost anything you like in there - the only restriction is not to treat it like a free blog or web hotel, but instead try to keep it related to your life in Wikipedia. JIP | Talk 16:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
To create your own user page, click here, read the notes at the top of the page, then type away. Click "on save page" to finish.--Shantavira 17:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Ambiguous. --Proficient 04:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Animated Nature

Hello, I dont know if this is where to ask but if not can someone point me in the right direction. My father died a couple of years ago and we have been left with a book of his and need to know if we should get it valued and insured as the book seems to be very old. It is called The Victorial Museum of Animated Nature, Volume 1, Mammalia Birds and i think wrote by Charles Knight and co, Ludgate Street and printed by William Clowes and Sons, Stamford Street. It is a lovely book with over 1700 illustrations. Please come back to me with any ideas

Mel

Well some illustrated nature books are quite valuable, like those of John James Audubon. So, yes, I would have it appraised, especially if you have a first edition. StuRat 20:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Look for it on http://www.abebooks.com/ Hint: it is probably Pictorial Museum which seems to be of some value. MeltBanana 23:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Have you thought of scanning these illustrations and uploading them to Wikimedia Commons? If you're not interested in doing it yourself, there's probably some place you could donate it for a really good tax write-off. NeonMerlin 01:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Corporate and Institutional Banking (CIB) landscape

I am trying to understand the entire landscape of "Corporate and Institutional Banking". A very high level, tree stucture with examples, etc would be very helpful. As of now a google for "CIB" returns links to various banks, but nothing on what CIB is or what are the various services that fall under CIB, etc.

any links, leaders to this topic would be highly appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

Regards Arun Prabhu

[edit] Military Identification Tags

What is the significance if a man gives a lady friend one of his dog tags? Is there a level of commitment implied there? Is it different in the Italian army?

That she's a bitch? Not sure if they have dogs in the Italian army. DirkvdM 05:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I think it's likely that the questioner is referring to dog tag (identifier) rather than Dog tags. You probably already knew that.-gadfium 06:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Since it presumably didn't cost him anything, I wouldn't assume it suggests any commitment whatsoever, unless he's made that explicit. These tags are of course intended to enable bodies to be indentified.....--Shantavira 08:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, that suggests that he intends to kill her and mutilate the body, leaving only the dog tags to make the identification. It obviously means that he intends to fake his own death.
On a more serious note, it means whatever the couple in question decide that it means. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it just me or is help desk getting progressively more and more snarky? Seems like only 1 out of every five or so questions are getting answered. --Darkfred Talk to me 16:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, alright then - you come up with a serious and helpful answer to this question. DirkvdM 16:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Darkfred also, and I think several people did come up with serious and helpful answers. --LarryMac 20:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Darkfred. Wow, guys, don't jump all over the guy. When my grandfather came back from the Korean war he gave my grandmother his dog tags that we wore all through it as a way of reaffirming his commitment to her as her husband. I suppose actually giving a dog tag to someone might imply that you are well acquainted with the person, unless you specifically apply more meaning to it. I suppose if you were going to be really romantic (read: cliche), you could say something like, "I want you to have these so that I'll always be with you, even when I'm not here." Not something I would do personally, though; I don't think I could pull it off without laughing. As for the italian army, you'll have to make your own prognosis as to whether it is different or not. --69.138.61.168 17:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
At first glance, it would seem like no, it does not imply commitment. But it very well depends on the context. --Proficient 11:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Microsoft Downloads

I came across a Microsoft Download before that allowed the admin account on your pc to apply certain settings to other users such as disable right click, only allow certain programs to run, etc. Now I cannot find it anymore and I was wondering if somebody here could help me. Thanks!! --Zach 20:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Maybe this is the policy tool that is included with the admin utilities. I think it was once called "Power Tools" or something. helohe (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)