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[edit] Bands influenced by Nirvana

Anyone know any? --The Dark Side 00:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Foo Fighters? User:Zoe|(talk) 00:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
That'll be a full category. For example, the entry on Krayzie Bone lists Nirvana as one of his influences. I suspect bands along the lines of In Flames and Rise Against would also count.Wolfgangus 00:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Silverchair even looked like Nirvana's little brothers when they first came out, let alone the sound. Nirvana's influence hasn't necessarily been on individual bands per se, but on popular music in general - although bands like Guns n Roses were the bridge, Nirvana put rock back on the radio after the pop and hair-metal of the late 80s. Addition - this article is interesting, this quote in particular: "Outside of their music, Nirvana's lasting legacy - generally for the better - was to bring down the barriers between corporate labels and the independent scene," Mathieson says. "It's easy to forget how stratified the music industry was prior to 1991; the late '80s were abysmal. After Nirvana a far wider range of bands gained access, at a cost, to getting their music heard at a mass level. Record companies were willing to take more of a chance, basically because they were no longer so sure about what would work commercially. As a social force punk in 1976 was more important, but Nirvana and co had the weight of commercial acceptance - they sold millions of albums worldwide and rewrote the way that art and commerce interacted in the music business." Natgoo 00:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Natagoo seems to be suggesting that bands like The White Stripes and Modest Mouse were heavily influenced by them...not so much their music, but their business model. In terms of musical influence, and if you want a statistically significant sample, it may be worthwhile to go on Myspace and search through bands for the word Nirvana. You might also be able to craft a google search that is limited to the Myspace namespace and includes phrases seen only on band profiles. Happy hunting! --128.115.27.10 01:31, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
You will, of course, run into the problem of what "influenced" means in the music industry. Watch any documentary on any old band they'll bring out a parade of newer bands who all claim to be "influenced" by them. Also, when you find a sample of an old song by a new band, they don't say they stole it. They were "influenced" by it. Then, there are those who outright steal another person's entire gig and claim they weren't influenced by the original at all (ie: Marilyn Manson and Alice Cooper). --Kainaw (talk) 05:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survival shows

I have a question about two survival shows that air on Discovery. Man vs Wild and Survivorman. Which show could be considered to be more helpful and realistic? I personally prefer watching Les Stroud survive since he is alone with no camera crew. Bear Grylls is great too but sometimes I feel that he does risky things like climbing down cliffs or swimming across wild rivers that no average person could ever do. Les, in my opinion does a better job of teaching a person how to survive in the wilderness. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.69.138.12 (talk) 03:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC).

There is a documentary on a man who is dropped of in Alaska, I believe, with limited supplies. Not only does he survive, he builds a cabin to boot. This documentary is maybe 40 years old, but it's truly amazing. Does anybody else know the name ? StuRat 13:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Obituary for actor Michael Winkleman...

Michael Winkleman (cast of "The Real McCoys") passed away on 7-27-1999. Can you shed any light on the circumstances of his death..?

Richard L. Lowe
Kihei, HI24.94.68.39 04:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I've done Google searches but couldn't find that info. StuRat 13:22, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

His sister, Wendy, married Angel Romero and I believe is still married to him. He is a classical spanish guitarist and quite famous in spain. He has a web site. You might want to go through it to get to wendy. I, also, would like more details on his death. I was roomates with him in Hawaii when we were both in the navy. Giff Hardin

[edit] Music Notation Problem!

I am creating my VERY first musical piece. I have a problem however, and I believe for it to look professional I need to change meter for a short while.

The problem is documented in the following picture:

Notation Problem Image

(Obviously the piece at the top is a part of my actual composition. I dont think I can keep the second phrase in 4/4 time.)

Please advise me on which method I should use, even if it is not one I listed. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.165.240.38 (talk) 04:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC).

It depends on whether or not your metre is actually changing. If not, then keep it in 4/4 and write the first dotted eighth as an eighth at the end of the second bar tied to a sixteenth at the beginning of the third bar, and then a dotted eighth after it. If the metre is changing, then we have to know how, before we can advise you. Anchoress 04:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I would perfer to keep it in 4/4 yes, but the problem is i have another phrase like the first one after... wouldnt it be best to keep the phrases that fit in a single meter in one? I could see if a pianist were to play it it would be confusing if the 3rd phrase (same as first) were part in one measure and part in the next. but to answer your question in the original piece it is still 4/4, but obviously the last measure is wrong because there are 4.5 beats not 4. as far as i know there is no such thing as a 4.5/4 meter, so doesnt it HAVE to switch meter?

Well that's why I'm asking you if your metre actually changes. If your changes in pattern correspond to your downbeats, then yeah you'd have to change the time signature. I just wasn't completely clear because of the way everything ran together in your original. Are you sure the second bar is 3/4 and not 6/8? I'm not asking you because I think you're wrong, I'm just curious as to whether or not you've considered it. I'd write the third bar in 3/8 and write it as a duplet. Anchoress 04:59, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Arg... im a little confused. someone else is also telling me about down beats, and im a bit of a novice... heres the thing... the last notes in the second measure of the original are INTENTIONALLY dotted, to make a slight slow down in tempo to emphasize that the notes AFTERWARD are the beginning of a new idea... but lets say we keep 4/4 time and tie the last dotted note, as my friend suggested here:

solution?

The problem with this is that the first measure repeats after this, and then the idea would have to start on the second 8th note of each measure. Additionally, i have quarter notes in the trebble cleff which i would have to make into... what would that be, a tied 8th note pair in every measure for the rest of the song!!! ..... i just think changing the meter for the period where the odd slower emphasis notes play is better to the eye, yes? I sincerely hope you understand what i am trying to communicate. I am not a master at composition.

Yeah I think I get you, although I can't see your friend's solution. Now when you say 'intentionally dotted', I'm confused. See, my first thought is, of course they're intentionally dotted, s/he wrote the thing, s/he's writing it the way s/he intended. But the fact that you'd say that makes me curious. Could you write the bar in 4/4, with rests for the 'rest' of the bar? Could you use straight eighths and use pauses to extend them? The stuff about downbeats is because there's a difference between just messing with the note values within a given time signature, and actually needing to change the time signature because the emphasised beat occurs in different patterns in different places in a piece. The separation of notes into bars usually suggests the pattern of downbeats or emphasis, hence influencing the way a composition is notated. If you think of a song like '(Love Is) Thicker Than Water' by Andy Gibb, the intro is very difficult to nod to because the downbeat/emphasis (indicating the separation of the note values into bars) is so variable. But the basic rhythm (the eighth notes) remains constant (which is why you can tap your feet to it). Anchoress 05:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

to answer your question, I wrote it myself, i intended to make it dotted to give a little effect for the next part coming which is different. im sorry if that confused you but i was trying to state the obvious to make certain i was clear. My friend just suggested that i make all the 8th notes into quarter notes and have the signature be 8/4. Then when the irregular measure comes along switch to 9/4 and then back to 8/4 to continue. It makes sense to me, does it to you? (after all, two dotted notes DO add an extra note of the same duration.)

Sorry, I hadn't meant to imply that you hadn't written it yourself, if that's what you inferred from my previous post. As to the solution, the point I've been trying to make is that there are myriad different ways of solving the problem, but the critical points are where the downbeats are, and if you're actually changing the tempo. Because yes, the two dotted eighths do add an extra note, but it's not all about fractions and making everything add up; it's whether and how a change in emphasis is effected, where the downbeat occurs, etc. As for changing from eighth to quarter notes, that sounds like an awkward solution to me. Anchoress 06:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

it beats the hell out of trying to say a measure is in "4.5/4"... haha. erm, if by downbeats you mean which beats are "Stronger" sounding or emphasized... take the first measure and go "1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &".... the ones that seem to be stronger are "1,2,3,4", with the &'s being the weaker. as far as the irregular measure its hard for me to determine if those two notes are strong or weak.

 ;-) Actually by downbeat I was talking about the emhasis at the beginnings of bars, not the offbeats. I think that if you have found a solution you like and that works for you, you should definitely use it! I didn't personally suggest a 4.5/4 time signature, but if that's what it sounded like I was suggesting, I apologise. It sounds like your friend is giving you some welcome help, and that's great. Perhaps someone else will have some further tips or suggestions for you. Anchoress 06:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

no. you did not suggest the 4.5/4.... but that would be the easiest way to change the fraction mathematically, but of course it doesnt make sense in the world of music.... i just hope that the solution my friend gave is the one most composers would take :( it makes sense to me at least. i will also consult a few music teachers about this... i hope they come up with the 9/8 solution too. Thank you for your assistance, i appreciate it!!

Another, perhaps easier idea, would be to add a fermata above the two longer notes. The fermata indicates that the performer should hold the note a little bit longer than the notation would normally indicate. Think of somebody singing "The Star Spangled Banner" and holding the notes on "free" and "home" in "O'er the land of the free / And the home of the brave". --ΨΦorg 07:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What song is this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5qKmhIAlmo The song runs from 0 seconds to 51 seconds into the video. Which one is it..? 81.93.102.185 19:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It sounds somewhat like a happy hardcore version of Deep Forest =S 惑乱 分からん 20:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Movie credits (U.S.)

Hello. I've asked this question in other forums (such as IMDb and Turner Classic Movies, and no one seems to have an answer. Maybe someone here will.

When did the credits in American films shift from the beginning of the film to the end? If you watch an older movie, all of the production credits are right at the start, and at the end there is only the cast credits. Nowadays, only senior credits are at the beginning (such as producer, director, etc.) while everything else is at the end.

And was there a reason for this change? Could it be the ever-increasing size of crews forced the move? — Michael J 18:54, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd guess the size of film crew, myself. Nowadays, it's almost the norm to include the sound editor's girlfriend and the hairdresser's dog in the credits... =S 惑乱 分からん 20:48, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, the Star Wars films are often credited with popularizing significantly reduced (or nonexistant) opening credits, but the practice has been around for much longer. I would say that most films began using reduced opening credits in the late 1970's or early 1980's, but the process was pretty gradual. Carom 21:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I've also noticed that they used to have a screen with nothing on it but opening credits, and maybe a little design (or, if you were lucky, a cartoon like in the Pink Panther movies). This even held for early TV shows, like I Love Lucy. Now the opening credits run over the top of the opening scenes of many shows, and the closing credits may run over the closing scene, as well. I think they figured out that most people find reading credits to be dull, so try to make them as unobtrusive as possible. Most movies still retain the long closing credits with no scene underneath, but these invariably get cut short or squeezed into a tiny corner when shown on TV. I guess the diff is that theater owners actually want people to leave at the end of the movie, while the TV execs do not. StuRat 01:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I can't confirm this explanation that I saw somewhere, but it makes sense: in the days of the studio system, people in minor crew jobs would be hired by the studios on a permanent basis. If they were looking for a new job and needed to provide their work history, they would just say "I worked at MGM from 1946 to 1953", and MGM could verify that. After the studio system went away, so did this sort of employment and people began to be hired to work on a specific film. Now a crew member's work history would be a list of individual films -- and so, harder to verify. In the 1970s the unions began demanding screen credit for every member who worked on a film. The length of crew credits exploded to the point where audiences could not be expected to sit through them (and there was no need for them to; that's not what they're really there for), so they were moved to the end. --Anonymous, Jan. 07, '07, 05:50 (UTC).

[edit] Song Lyrics - brighter day, I'm looking for a brighter day

For the past 11 years I have wanted to know the name of the song and artist of the lyrics "brighter day , I am (I'm) looking for a brighter day." It is a female vocal and that lyric is repeated as the refrain throughout the song. I believe I also hear the words "I am (I'm) feeling" but I am not sure. Please help me. —The preceding comment was added by 75.35.216.173

Possibly Cyndi Lauper (1993 album) "That's what I think" [1]. SkierRMH,08:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Its: Cajmere feat. Dajae

That's the original released in '94.

The track was remixed and released in 2005 on the Big Love label. The artist is just Dajae. The track is called Brighter Days.

You're after the Haji & Emanuel remix.

[edit] Movies about TV news Anchormen

Hi there, i am wondering how many movies have been made about this genre?. I think everyone is familiar with Will Ferrell's performance in Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy but i think this is not the only movie of this genre. I remember about a 70s movie about another anchorman and his odds in switching from serious-news style to a more sensationalistic program, i can't remember the name of this movie but i would be glad if someone can give me the name of the movie, and a link to a list of the movies about TV news anchormen.--HappyApple 23:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Could the 70s movie you're referring to be Network? Wolfgangus 23:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Yep, you got it!, anyways where can i have a full list about movies of this genre?. --HappyApple 23:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Not sure, but a keyword search at imdb might be a start. Additionally Up Close & Personal would qualify. Wolfgangus 00:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
As would Good Night, and Good Luck., and Broadcast News. Grutness...wha? 00:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
If you mean "anchorman" strictly, as in the main host of a newscast (like the CBS Evening News), then Good Night, and Good Luck. doesn't qualify. It's about Edward R. Murrow's See it Now, which was a newsmagazine (more like 60 Minutes). Much the same sort of thing, though. --Anonymous, January 07, '07, 05:55 (UTC).


[edit] Numanuma and Ozone

Does anyone know if Ozone have experienced increasing popularity IN RUMANIA due to Gary Brosma's... re-enactment, or if this is simply a more western thing. I'd also like to know if, perchance, the Numa Numa by aforementioned guy has been aired on any Rumenian TV channels..? 81.93.102.185 07:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kill Bill 2 song

It isn't on the soundtrack, or at least I didn't recognize it on the Amazon track samples. It's the western-sounding orchestral thing that plays when she's punching her way out of the coffin. Very go-get-em type song. Very repetative and whistleable. Anybody know the name? 70.108.219.115 04:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's L'Arena by Ennio Morricone (of The Good, The Bad and The Ugly fame). You might not have recognised it because the theme doesn't start until about a minute in. Anchoress 04:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. Thanks. What a scene. I love that movie. 70.108.219.115 06:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC) Ennio's my homeslice. He just can't do wrong. 70.108.219.115 06:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I know, me too. If you want an MP3 of it, I can yahoo you a copy. Anchoress 07:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)