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[edit] Band / song identification

Hi, a friend made me a mix tape in 1987 with a song on it she couldn't identify. It starts with an electric piano intro, and the opening lyrics are:

"This isn't my city, no place for us here Hardly no money..."

The chorus seems to be

"I'm going, going up the hill and straight to death"

It's a mournful and pretty song, and all the other bands on the mix tape were punk, but this group sounded more goth. The lead singer is male and has an English accent (sorry, no idea what region). I've searched for identification using the chorus, and the opening lines, with no success. Any ideas? Thanks very much for any help you can give. Novemberjane 03:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


Someone at the help desk told me to seek help here, so here's the deal. I REALLY need another admins' help with this.

The current conversation I've had with another admin regarding this subject can be found here. Now, He and I had a bit of a dispute in December (a link in the section specified in the link will provide that conversation too), and the end result regarding sources was that in the case of Yu-Gi-Oh! GX, episodes could be considered viable sources, but only when backed-up by a written, secondary source.

Now I've asked him if I could recreate a page he's deleted twice in the past (both unfairly in my opinion, but that's besides the point). He claimed at first I had no source, then that the page would be based on original research. The page in question is "Cyber-Series". In the anime in question, this refers to a series of cards with "Cyber" and "Cyberdark" in their names. The page as I would like to create it would refer to the two's relation to yin and yang, the dojo in which using the cards was trained, and the character who uses them and furthermore develops to reflect them during the series.

Now, I have a written source, and I have already been told I could use the episodes as a source with a secondary source. Also, I am fully prepared to offer citations to the episodes in question. And it is states in the series itself that the two "Cyber" cards are yin and yang, and that the character desires the Cyberdark cards to match his new, evil personality. Now, there is no original research involved, and I have both a secondary and a primary source, both of which are official. Do I have adaquate grounds to re-create this page? Drake Clawfang 06:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

It would be a good idea to let us look at the sources, perhaps by linking to a website that has them. Keep in mind that for a source to be considered legit, it should fulfil the key criteria discussed in WP:RS. If the key fits the lock, the lock should open. -_- V-Man737 06:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The official site is "TV Tokyo" (I'm sorry, I don't have an exact address). Also, back in December I was told on the Help Desk I can use the episodes of the anime of which I speak as primary sources, as long as I observe the Neutral POV rulings, which I always have. Take this quote from "BigNate37"

"To summarise, yes you can use the episodes and official site as sources, but you would not be able to write more than a stub without using reliable secondary sources or introducing serious WP:NPOV and WP:OR problems"

Thus, again, where is the problem? Drake Clawfang 06:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

—== Panic! - the TV Show ==

I recall being hugely taken in by a 1/2 hr weekly tv drama series in the late 1950's called "Panic." I still recall episodes vividly but I have never met anyone who recalls it.

Does anyone out there have any recollection of this show? It's opening logo was a slowly swirling mix of jet black liquid swirling around a white liquid, not mixing, more like oozing eerily. I would love to track down whatever happened to this show.

thanks07:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)~~

I'm not old enough to remember it, but the Internet Movie Database has this entry for it, which lists 17 episodes from March 5 to July 2, 1957, skipping one week; another 12 episodes from April 6 to June 22, 1958, and a 30th episode on September 7, 1958. This agrees with the data for the show at the TV.com web site. Both sources also note that the show was retitled "No Warning" in its second season.
In The Complete Directory to Prime Time Network and Cable TV Shows, 1999 edition, "Panic" and "No Warning" are considered as two separate series, and considering that the only continuing cast member was the narrator, that makes some sense. They show "Panic" as running from March 5 to September 17, 1957. It ran on NBC at 8:30 (that'd be Eastern Time) on Tuesdays. For "No Warning", they show it running from April 6 to September 7, 1958, on NBC at 7:30 on Sundays. This source does not give episode lists and does not normally talk about how many new episodes and how many reruns were in a season, and I'm not sure if reruns had become customary yet. It seems possible that there were additional episodes not included in the lists I cited; the long gap between June 22 and September 7 and the skipped week in 1957 both certainly suggest that the lists are incomplete. Anyway, the book describes it as an anthology drama series where "at the outset of each episode... an individual was put into a sudden crisis situation... [and] the remainder of each episode delineated how well he reacted and coped with the crisis."
--Anonymous, January 18, 2007, 08:48 (UTC).
According to the 2003 version, Panic involved threats of violence, while No Warning involved non-violent crises. User:Zoe|(talk) 20:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I also remember the 2 shows and loved them too and have bene dying to get copies of them. The announcer people are talking about here was Westbrook VanVorhees. His dramatic voice said "...and then it came with NO WARNING!" If anyone knows where you can get copies of these 2 shows,let me know at mrstevens4u@aol.com. I got a catalog from a company which has all kinds of TV series from the 50s on up,but they do not have anything on either "Panic" or "No Warning'..shucks! [User: Rich from mrstevens4u@aol.com}

[edit] second world war songs in britain

I am writing a comparison essay about music. I need to find more information on the actual composition of There'll Always be an England - I know about the lyrics, but need to know about the score and how it relates to those times.

The article There'll Always Be an England might be helpful. Skarioffszky 14:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rosetta Tharpe lyrics

I'm looking for the lyrics and guitar tab for the song "My Journey to the Sky" by Rosetta Tharpe. I know the Gaithers and Bonnie Raitt covered the song but was unsuccessful to find any lyrics for the song. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.246.140.62 (talk) 14:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Fifties/Sitcom/Cartoon Shopping Music

There is (at least one) very distinctive piece of "shopping" music which sounds fifties to me, I have seen in cartoons (simpsons comes to mind, but I am sure it is other places), and I associate it with fifties sitcoms (though this might be inaccurate). It has been difficult to google info because it has shopping in the search. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.180.130.220 (talk) 17:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC).

Can you describe it more closely (arrangement, lead instruments, style etc)? For further research try the keywords elevator music and muzak too. ---Sluzzelin 10:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Guess what, I asked the same thing a few weeks ago. Didn't get any info, but it's worth linking back to it: Reference Desk Archives - Information about a specific style of "happy" music — Kieff 10:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
If it is the obnoxiously happy prancing music as heard in the "land of Chocolate" sequence of the Simpsons here then it identified as "Happy Go Lively" by Laurie Johnson here. Although it sounds more like "Shopping Spree" to me, listenable here meltBanana 14:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I know exactly what music you're refering to. I once asked this question a few months ago, but never got a satisfactory answer. Ever since, whenever I hear the music, I always try to find out what it is, but to no avail. I know not yet which music this is. But it's definately not Muzak or elevator music. It seems to be alone in its own "genre".--Codell [ Talk] 02:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I would recommend looking into the "Ultralounge" family of CDs. The track you may be looking for could be "Holiday for Strings" by The Voices of Walter Schumann or "Gay Spirits" by David Rose and his Orchestra. See Ultralounge Vol. 3 - Space Capades for possible sample on Amazon or Chapters.ca. Regardless.. even if it isn't exactly what you're looking for, I imagine its REALLY close. Blastimus 03:12, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Play a tune on-line

Not sure if this is the right place to post this. It could come under various headings. I'm trying to learn a piece for a choir. I'm looking for a website where I can type in a short piece of music manuscript (no chords, just single notes, and say twenty notes at a time) and hear it played back, much like a piano keyboard. I am not much good on a piano so it takes me too long to work out how a melody ought to sound. I tried Musipedia, but that only seems to allow me to key in and play back a very short string, and only once as the page disappears upon playback(!) Any ideas?--Shantavira 19:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any such service online but there's plenty of software that could help. Someoneinmyheadbutit'snotme 23:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
MIDINotate is my best friend for that sort of thing. V-Man737 00:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Works a treat. Thank you V-Man.--Shantavira
^_^ I have warm fuzzies on the inside. (Should I see a doctor about this? jk) V-Man737 14:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I use the MIDI creator editor AnvilStudio --172.135.122.103 02:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Metroid Prime Hunters

How the heck does this guy do this to skip piston cave? it makes no sense to me! could someone please explain how to do this? Thanks :-) Ilikefood 22:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You might try the Computer Ref Desk for video game questions. StuRat 04:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC)