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[edit] Domestic or commercial

Moved here from Domestic refrigerator because only 6 or 7 articles linked directly to that article, while the vast majority linked here. Plus, Wikipedia articles are named according to common usage, and calling this device a "refrigerator" is orders of magnitude more common than call it a "domestic refrigerator". It doesn't matter if "domestic refrigerator" is more correct, or if you think the article should be there. All that matters is commonness. This title is much much much more common than that one, so it gets to host the article. --brian0918™ 13:55, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

As I understand it, there are domestic and industrial fridges. I know nothing about the latter, but I'll fix the intro to explain that. --SPUI (talk) 16:29, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
Commercial refrigeration is talked about more in the refrigeration article. Sometimes these units, depending on size, get different names. The word refrigerator is most related to the home units. It is important to undertand that commercial applications which existed as much as 40 years earlier were not considered safe for home use. Magi Media 14:20, 28 May 2006 (UTC)Magi Media

[edit] Refrigerator vs. Freezer

This article is currently written as if a refrigerator and a freezer were the same thing by starting out with A refrigerator (sometimes shortened to fridge) or freezer is an electrical appliance that uses refrigeration to help preserve food.. That is not true. A refrigerator and a freezer are not the same thing and so should have separate articles. A refrigerator is where you might store sodas and a freezer is where you might store ice cream, not the same thing. A refrigerator keeps stuff cool and a freezer freezes stuff. If you put a bottle of Coke in the refrigerator and it will be cool, but if you leave a bottle of Coke it the freezer for too long, it will freeze. This page refrigerator should be split into two articles, refrigerator and freezer. 64.200.124.189 00:57, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

If you read the article now as it has been edited you might realize that the freezer and fridge are the same thing. Technically all refer mechanisms have the ability to freeze. It's all in how you control it. It was never thought initially that home consumers would want to freeze things. They always just needed to keep things cool. The first introduction to freezing was ice trays. Then the freezer box was added. But the units always had the ability to freeze. This article could add freezer-only units to it just as an aside or to show pictures, but a separate article will just end up either redundant or a stub. Actually, I read the article and its not bad, but that whole article could be a sub- in this article. Magi Media 14:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC)Magi Media

[edit] Hmm?

"If you suspect a problem, test the temperatures with a refrigerator or outdoor thermometer." How exactly am I supposed to test the temperature of my redridgerator with my refridgerator? 72.224.120.101

Well, I spend more time on Wikipedia than I should but, God bless you, this is the strangest, and even the most feintly disturbing talk page attached to any article I've yet come across. --bodnotbod 07:48, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] designing refrigerator for a new market

there seem to be now more avenues to vdenture into i would want t know if i could get some pointers regarding this i mean i am a student of product design and am to design a refrigerator for a new market

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I am a final year student of a college am asign to contruct a refrigerator woking on the principle of an airconditioner I would be most grateful if u could assist me with some guaid lines Thanks

Abasiubong Umoh ÷== Merging with refrigeration == I don't think this should be merged with refrigeration. Refrigeration is a process, a refrigerator is an appliance. Two different things. Hot water heater 14:45, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Add-ins

I noticed that the "how it works" section was a little lacking on how it works, so i added in my two bits. Still think refridgeration should be merged with this, but the page needs to get better, at least to 5 degrees. =P Teh Teck Geek 01:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

No merge. This is a specific article on one item which applies the laws of refrigeration. Then we should include air conditioning and freezers and box cars. Someone already added two extra paragraphs on refrigeration that don't need to be here. Leave it alone, Geek! Magi Media 03:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)Magi Media

[edit] How a refrigerator works

Please improve this. I am trying to find out how a fridge works and this has confused me even more. For example 'saturated liquid refrigerant', what is it saturated with? Can we have some boiling points for the refrigerant and figures for the pressures please, so that we know the pressure of the superheated vapour, and the flash pressures? What about telling us where the parts are relative to each other, eg compressor, condenser, coils etc; a diagram would be helpful. 25 Oct 06

[edit] Merge?

Although they may be sold as stand-alone units, the history, technology, and application of the "cooler" and the "freezer" are the same. Both are refrigeration units that could be explained at refrigerator; one is simply turned up a notch. I would argue that freezer should be merged and redirected into refrigerator unless there is something substantial about this term that means it should have a different article. To have them together would be much more informative considering the historical background on the refrigerator page, and the two would have to be constantly kept in synch. Dekimasu 05:14, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Object - just because the history and technology is basically is the same doesn't mean they have to merge. In time, the article will develope on it's own. Freezer is a common appliance after all. It's like saying cell phones should be merged with telephones. --andrewI20Talk 05:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
A telephone doesn't become a cell phone if you carry it around, but a refrigerator becomes a freezer if you turn the setting up. I could be missing something, but analogies don't often follow through on their promises. Dekimasu 05:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Can't you buy just a freezer (without the fridge part) at a store like Sears or something? --andrewI20Talk 02:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Correct, just Google search "freezer" and many links come up that feature many "freezer-alone" products. Needless to say, I object to the merge suggestion. —EdGl 01:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand why being able to buy them separately means that there should be a different article. What you do with a freezer is refrigerate things. Dekimasu 01:16, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I'm not an expert on fridges but I don't think that there is enough to say about freezes that doesn't also apply to most other types of coolers. Jeltz talk 14:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Coolers and iceboxes also refridgerate things, and they have articles. Do you want those merged into the refrigerator article as well? That's like taking everything in an entire category and merging all of them into the category's article. Also, Freezer burn exists, so why shouldn't freezer? —EdGl 01:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Those don't use refrigerants. They cool things, but they don't refrigerate things. Freezers use refrigerants. Dekimasu 01:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, freezer burn would be just as well dealt with at frozen food (and is dealt with to a certain extent there already). Dekimasu 16:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
  • MERGE: I just looked at the freezer article, and it's a STUB. Merge the articles, corelate the science part, then discuss the products separately. Most household refigerators are sold as "refrigerator/freezers" in a combo unit.--Magi Media 13:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
This may be a good idea - and if the "freezer" section grows, then we could then possibly make it a separate article again if it would be expedient to do so. (On the other hand, maybe making it a separate article again would be inevitable, so why bother?) Hmm. Good arguments, Mahi Media and Dekimasu. —EdGl 18:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I feel it's time to go through with this merge. No edits (aside from vandalism) have been made to the freezer article since I made the suggestion a month ago. Only one sentence has been added to the freezer article since at least July (adding an internal comment on icemakers). Dekimasu 01:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Not convinced. Object - the two do completely different things; a refrigerator keeps items cool, generally at around 4°C. A freezer has a far lower working range, and requires a good deal more energy due to the latent heat of freezing of the foods. Only in a freezer do the foods actually get frozen, and preservation in a freezer is fairly indefinite, while preservation in a fridge is not. The freezer article is short, but it's still an article. --Firien § 15:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes merge! And after this I think we should also merge Apples and Oranges. --Meanmeancoffeebean 08:25, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mmm, refrigerators.

Mmm, in just a few days' time I'll be able to have cold beer and cold soft drinks again. You'll only learn how much to value them when you no longer have them. JIP | Talk 20:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Meat-Locker Redirect

"Meat Locker" should not redirect to refrigerator. A meat locker is between 34-38 F degrees. A refrigerator is 40 degrees F. Also, beef will absolutely not age in a refrigerator. - MSTCrow 03:06, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

That's just a difference of a couple of degrees. The difference between a fridge and a freezer is much larger. For the same of consistancy, "meat locker" should continue to redirect here, at least until "freezer" gets its own page again (which it should) Deepfryer99 18:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Refrigerator image

Why is there a guitar in the refrigerator? That is a ridiculous image and inappropriate for an encyclopedic article. I replaced it with an appropriate image only to find it was reverted the following day. If there isn't a reasonable explanation of why a refrigerator containing a guitar--not a typical refrigerator--should be used in place of one containing only consumable products, I'm replacing the image again. Regards, LaraLoveTalk/Contribs 16:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)