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There are quite a lot of links in the article that reference the article itself(!). If no-one objects, I'll remove them. --Tirolion 14:59, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

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   * List of songs with particularly long titles

err, why?

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[edit] Image deleted

The image that was being used was from google, and was almost certainly a breach of wikipedia image policy (though I am not familiar with said policy). An anonymous user fixed the issue - we should get a new (legal) picture. Erich Blume 08:17, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Brian Reddyb

Stop vandalising this page by removing the contribution of Brian Reddyb to this band. Brian Reddyb 22:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I see your account was just created. Earlier the name "Brian Reddyb" has been added to several articles with unlikely claims such as making a coup in 1968 with Saddam Hussein [1]. There has never been a source to any of these claims. I have added a source here which says 'the band's founders and producers Janne Ericsson, Örjan "Öban" Öberg and Pat Reiniz'. These are the 3 names in the article before you added "Brian Reddyb". I have added a citation needed tag to that name.[2] Claims in Wikipedia articles can be removed if Wikipedia:Verifiability is not satisfied. Please provide a reliable source if you don't want the name to be removed. PrimeHunter 23:52, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes I see you did add a source which states that 'the band's founders and producers Janne Ericsson, Örjan "Öban" Öberg and Pat Reiniz', from an article which was created on the 14th of May which is four days after which some vandal on this site removed Brian Reddyb from the list of founders. That vandal being, Öban a.k.a Örjan Öberg.Quite apparent that the 'source' sourced their information from this site. Myself and Öban had a dispute early on in the Rendex project, the result being that I left. So while I was not involved during the Rednex glory days, I most certainly was there at its inception. Furthermore, that article relates to a supposed ebay sale of the Rednex brand. I relinquished my rights to the brand upon departure, perhaps another reason why I am not referenced. I setup my Wikipedia account to stop vandals removing my contribution. Brian Reddyb 13.30, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Your account timing is interesting. User:Chiefofmsiss has made many strange unsourced edits about Brian Reddyb or name variations. The two most recent were adding Iraqi 1968 coup leader "Briyan al-Reddyb" to Saddam Hussein on 15 June 12.20[3], and adding producer "Brian Reddyb" to Rednex on 15 June 12.21[4]. Your account was created on 15 June 12.29[5], and your only edits are about adding producer "Brian Reddyb" to Rednex.
Wikipedia content should be based on published Wikipedia:Reliable sources. I have reverted your new addition of your name. My edit summary [6] explains why: "revert. The source is an unsourced tvWiki article created today by Brian Reddyb, after a source was requested here. Brian Reddyb gave a false date of the source here". It is not allowed to add private knowledge to Wikipedia without a reliable published source. See Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Verifiability (the first paragraph applies well here). Also see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. PrimeHunter 13:26, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

My account registration timing in relation to the so called Chiefofmsiss edits was merely coincidental. I have noted for some time that the inclusion of my name as one of the founding producers of Rednex was being subject to constant removal. See above comment re Örjan "Öban" Öberg, he being the principal culprit. Also see [7], this being an earlier discussion about people using my name or variations thereof in random articles. Unfortunately based on my association with Rednex and my subsequent career as a cabaret band manager, I managed to develop a cult following, primarily in Sweden, Germany and parts of Ireland. I accept your removal of my TvWiki source, but politely request that you stop vandalising this page. Brian Reddyb 15:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


It is not vandalism to remove unsourced disputed claims from an article. I see you are User:86.42.224.156 [8] who replaced serious content in Dwarf planet with "REDDYB" [9]. That looks more like vandalism. PrimeHunter 00:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I see you now have removed [10] comments about deletion of Brian Reddyb from User talk:Chiefofmsiss and edited Creamer like Chiefofmsiss [11]. No reliable source to Brian Reddyb has been given in Rednex so I have removed the name.[12] PrimeHunter 16:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted your last edit since the claim that the band was originally founded by Janne Ericsson, Örjan "Öban" Öberg, and Pat Reiniz is undisputed; the "according to some sources" qualifier is redundant. What is being disputed here is the contribution of the alleged 'fourth' founder. Ayla 14:17, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Additionally, I have also submitted a request for comment and a conflict of interest report. Editors interested in contributing to resolving this dispute are encouraged to read the above discussion, and to refer to the deletion discussion for Brian Reddy. Also note that both the Reddyb and Brian Reddyb articles were speedy deleted, the former as "patent nonsense/hoax" and the latter as "completely false/fictitious". Additionally, a complaint on the Wikipedia help desk was made by an individual asserting to be Örjan Öban Öberg, one of the founding producers behind the group, who states that he has "never heard of the claimed producer named Brian Reddyb [and] neither have the others". Ayla 14:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, the issue of the Brian Reddyb, Reddyb Briyan al-Reddiyb and other variants of my name being used to create fictitious articles was discussed above. As mentioned, I have developed somewhat of a cult following. Re the specific articles Brian Reddyb and Reddyb, I thank you for pointing them out to me, I was unaware of these. Nonetheless, Reddyb is a name of Jewish heritage and there are many of us throughout Europe. Not sure whether those articles were supposed to be representing me or another Brian Reddyb. As for the Örjan Öban Öberg alleged complaint, assuming it is actually from him, I have also discussed that above. I left after irreconcilable differences with this individual and thus he may 'have it in with me' as it were. Finally, I have produced TWO quality references. In fact these references are substantially better than many of the references found throughout this site and are at least on a par with them. Since I was a member of the founding quartet for just a few months into the project, I was surprised to find even such references about me. I rescinded all my rights to the brand after my departure, thus you will not find any reference to me in relation to the proposed sale of the brand on ebay. I will now revert the changes made by yourself and PrimeHunter so that all producers are referenced by the same source. Using separate sources and stating that only 'some sources' mention Brian Reddyb's role in the founding of Rednex seeks to devalue my position as one of the founder's of Rednex, and arouse a level of suspicion regarding my involvement. I belive Ayla PrimeHunter and Örjan Öban Öberg are conspiring against me and it is possible that you are all indeed the same individual. Brian Reddyb 16:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I am Pat Reiniz, one of the co-founders of Rednex along with Örjan Öberg and Jan Ericsson. Brian Reddyb (?!) has nothing to do with Rednex and we have never heard of this person, though I do appreciate his coup and intention to start a “cult following”. It is actually quite “Rednexy” and I give my respect to that. However, for those interested in the truth, he should be removed from any Rednex articles. If anyone wants proof of this or to get more information about Rednex, please don’t hesitate to email us at info (at) popbandforsale.com or visit rednexmania.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by PatReiniz (talk • contribs) 11:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Brian Reddyb is banned from editing Wikipedia and the name has not been mentioned in any article for a while. I and probably others are watching this article in case the name pops up again. PrimeHunter 13:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


Hello. It is Örjan Öberg. Once again I would like to repeat that neither me or Pat Reiniz have ever heard of Brian Readyb. We don't know who that is. For me it is very unpleasant to read that he claims to have had a dispute with me. He writes: "I left after irreconcilable differences with this individual and thus he may 'have it in with me' as it were." This feels like having a stalker. He also thinks that I, Ayla and Primehunter are the same person. I have never heard of them either. Since I don't know their real names, I don't know who they are. Maybe they are old friends, I can't tell. I am glad that Reddyb is banned from this site now. Thank you. Orjan67 15:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Reddyb's claim of "irreconcilable differences" came after his alleged involvement with Rednex was removed in Wikipedia because reliable sources were lacking. I guess he made the claim as an attempt to explain why he was not mentioned by the band. Note that Brian Reddyb's claims are still at http://www.tvwiki.tv/wiki/Brian_Reddyb and http://www.tvwiki.tv/wiki/Rednex where he added them, probably to try to support his claims in Wikipedia. tvWiki uses the same MediaWiki software as Wikipedia but is otherwise unrelated and we have no control over their content. I don't edit there, but if you want to remove the claims then you can try creating an account there. I don't know tvWiki policies if Reddyb opposes your edits. By the way, I had never heard of Brian Reddyb, Rednex, Örjan Öberg or Ayla before this dispute. If an editor is up against several other editors in an argument then they sometimes throw out unfounded accusations that the others must be sockpuppets or in a conspiracy. PrimeHunter 16:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2 weeks of full page protection, WP:COI caution

The cited links do check out and include the name Brian Reddyb. That said, revert warring really isn't the way to solve things on Wikipedia. Please see this example of an arbitration case I opened because editors who had a conflict of interest engaged in edit warring over a former member's contribution to a band. Google gives prominent indexing to this site's pages so individuals who have a professional reputation to protect would do well to enter the mentorship program and avoid creating the appearance of impropriety. I hope your situation works out. DurovaCharge! 16:00, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate your open mind on this issue. Brian Reddyb 16:04, 1 July 2007

{{Editprotected}} Whilst I agree that page protection is the best way to go, the article should at least acknowledge the dispute surrounding Brian Reddyb's contribution to the band. The assurance that the cited links "check out" is insufficient; unfortunately, it often happens that even reputable websites copy material indiscriminately from Wikipedia, and this might have been the case with the given sources. In fact, Brian Reddyb himself has earlier referenced a site which stated explicitly that it was a mirror of the Wikipedia article (see [13]). I thus recommend reverting back to the version which gives separate sources for the three- and four-member claims until the dispute is resolved. Ayla 16:18, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I did reference such a mirror site, and being a relatively new user to the Wikipedia project was unaware of any potential problems. I acknowledged your grievance with that source and happily allowed your revision unobstructed. As for your comment ‘unfortunately, it often happens that even reputable websites copy material indiscriminately from Wikipedia', that argument is weak. The same could be said for any number of potential sources on this site, not least the conflicting one used on the Rednex page (Rednex On Sale For $1.5 Million). I suggest that you argue for a change in the Wikipedia reference policy if you have an issue with it, although that might prove problematic given that every reference on the Rednex page is susceptible to the same claims that you make about the sources I provided. I recommend that the protection remain on this page until someone with an ounce of reason mediates. At the very least such precaution will ensure that the revert war mongering of Ayla et al is curtailed. Let common sense prevail and put a stop to this ludicrous episode.Brian Reddyb 16:53, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I pointed out the reference to the mirror site in order to demonstrate how easy it is for anyone to be misled with imprecise information, and not to raise any suspicions of your intentions. I am in no way claiming that the Billboard reference is more authoritative than the ones you provided (I haven't carried out any research into the reputability of the respective sites); however, removing it simply because it does not match your side of the argument is clearly a violation of WP:NPOV. I am not seeking to devalue your contribution to the band - I have no vested interest in either side of the argument - but I want to prevent something that is suspected as a hoax from propagating. Whilst I support page protection being retained, I still recommend that the disputed fact be acknowledged as so. Once the issue is settled, the extraneous sources may then be removed. Ayla 17:24, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Editprotected requests are for specific fixes to a protected page (e.g., typo fixes, blatant errors, etc.). I have no idea what the request is here, so I've disabled the tag. Please feel free to re-enable the request with a specific issue. Cheers. --MZMcBride 17:33, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not commenting on the reliability of those sources - merely noting that they do mention the Brian Reddyb name. Brian, would you be willing to undergo a checkuser to clear up suspicions about whether you're related to the hoax activity that's happened at other articles? DurovaCharge! 18:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I was also thinking of contacting Rednex through the email address provided on their official website, but I'm not acquainted with the Wikipedia procedure for such correspondence (i.e. which email address I should request them to reply to for an official record to be maintained). However, Durova's proposal sounds like a better alternative for the time being. Ayla 18:40, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd be satisfied with a confirmed e-mail from the band. DurovaCharge! 21:56, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Brian was actively posting right up until I suggested checkuser. His last post to another page was date stamped three minutes after my offer, which means he was probably composing to another page while I posted here, and he's been following this talk page quite avidly. In the past when I've issued this type of challenge two types of responses have followed: innocent editors jump at the opportunity to clear their names but those who turn out to fail the eventual checkuser get very cagey and evasive. Several hours have already passed. So I'll handle things this way: 48 hours is more than reasonable under these circumstances. If Brian makes no answer then - to other editors - please provide a list of suspected sockpuppets. I'll indef block all the registered accounts, place substantial blocks on the IP addresses, and add Brian to the site's list of community banned editors per WP:HOAX and WP:DUCK. Then I'll downgrade the page protection to semi- and reports of future problems can go to WP:ANI. DurovaCharge! 22:16, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Brian has to eat, and also has a life, he is not stuck to his computer 24/7 editing wikipedia. Oh and right so, a reasonable entry is made on the Rednex wiki page backed up with two independent citations (recall these are sources sourced like any other on this website), other people subsequently have an issue with this and this warrants potentially attempting to block an entire IP range?? Please do that, if including cited information in an article warrants such bizarre action, go ahead and do it. I will most certainly make contact with other administrators and explain to them how you are undertaking such grotesque abuses of power. Perhaps, other users should be checked for sock puppetry. Either way,I am indifferent,this entire episode is becoming nonsensical surely you must have other things to be doing rather than deliberating over whether or not Brian Reddyb's undeniable (sources verify) input into the Rednex brand deserves a mention in the article. Removing it will only undermine the impartiality and reliability of this site. Kindest Regards, BrianReddyb 11:34, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Now that you have replied, let's take it step by step from here. Are you willing to undergo a checkuser as proposed by Durova? You might first want to read through Help:CheckUser and WP:RFCU to understand what this involves. Please seek to be clear and direct in your response. Ayla 23:33, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
By the way, the signature in your last post is erroneous in terms of both the username and the timestamp. A small hint: to sign comments, simply type four tildes, like this: ~~~~. Ayla 23:36, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm an experienced editor who works a lot at the help desk. I had never heard of Rednex or any of the founders before I replied to Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 May 30#Rednex. Since then I have tried to keep claims about Brian Reddyb in Rednex within guidelines, especially WP:V, WP:RS and WP:NPOV. I have explained my edits on this talk page and in edit summaries with reference to guidelines. I think Reddyb was first added to the article 11 February 2007 [14], with no source and by 86.42.223.82 who also added [15][16] alleged unsourced 1968 Iraqi coup leader "Briyan Al-Reddyb" to Saddam Hussein. (Note that 86.42.223.82 and 86.42.224.156 are the same ISP, and Brian Reddyb has edited as 86.42.224.156 [17][18][19], an IP which has added "REDDYB" vandalism [20]). Since February Reddyb has been in Rednex most of the time and spread to many mirrors. It's possible other sources have used the article's mention of Reddyb which remained unsourced until 17 June, where Brian Reddyb added [21] the first source http://www.tvwiki.tv/wiki/Brian_Reddyb. This is a TvWiki article created by "Brian Reddyb" [22] the same day, although Reddyb's reference here claimed it was from May 14. Excluding direct mirrors there are currently both known sources which list [23][24] and don't list [25][26] Reddyb as founder. All sources I have seen list the 3 or 4 founder names in the same order as Wikipedia: Janne Ericsson, Örjan Öberg, Pat Reiniz, and sometimes Brian Reddyb. None of them have sources to the names and it's unknown whether they got the names from Wikipedia. The only source I know which gives any other information about Reddyb's involvement than listing his name among the founders is two TvWiki articles. As mentioned, http://www.tvwiki.tv/wiki/Brian_Reddyb was created by Brian Reddyb 17 June 2007 (and has not been edited by others). The other is http://www.tvwiki.tv/wiki/Rednex which was created 12 December 2005 [27] as the only registered edit by 212.41.107.30 [28]. It was unsourced and listed Brian Reddyb as one of the 4 founders in the usual order of names. I know of no earlier mention of Brian Reddyb in connection with Rednex. The only other edits to the article are 2 edits on 17 June 2007 by Brian Reddyb, who added additional unsourced information about Brian Reddyb [29] and linked the bio he had just created [30].
The earliest known dated mentions of Brian Reddyb are unsourced wiki articles. It seems possible to me that the mentions were made by Brian Reddyb and that all other sources have copied the name. The protected version of Rednex is by Brian Reddyb. It omits a reference that doesn't mention Reddyb and has been deleted by him 4 times [31][32][33][34]. (The reference is also used later in the article, resulting in a blank reference after each deletion). In addition to listing Reddyb as founder, the protected version contains unreferenced details he added [35] about his involvement. The only known source containing those claims are the TvWiki edits by Reddyb from 17 June 2007. I would like a checkuser of Reddyb (and I'm certainly willing to have one on me). If it shows he is behind clear Reddyb hoaxes in other articles then I'm uncertain whether his possible Rednex involvement is worth mentioning in this article. If checkuser does not show good evidence of Reddyb making hoaxes about himself then I suggest an NPOV version of Rednex which: 1) Indicates there are conflicting sources and lists one reference that does and one that doesn't mention Reddyb as founder (but not multiple similar references for each side). 2) Doesn't hint at one of the possibilities being more likely. 3) Doesn't have unsourced (or TvWiki-sourced) additional claims about Reddyb's involvement. I think the latest version by me [36] would be acceptable for the 3 points. (As a side note, the article also has other problems, but this dispute is only about Reddyb) PrimeHunter 03:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
The unsourced "Brian Reddyb" was already added to the article on 17 October 2005 [37] by User:134.226.1.136 (which belongs to a college and should not be blocked), and removed on 9 August 2006[38]. PrimeHunter 12:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, now we know Brian has seen the checkuser challenge. I'll shorten the clock for a yea or a nay to 24 hours. This has a very strong appearance of WP:HOAX, enough to justify sitebanning in my opinion, and I'm offering you the chance to clear your name. If you really think my actions here abuse administrative powers you're welcome to solicit independent opinions at the administrators' noticeboard. DurovaCharge! 03:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Response to {{Editprotected}} request

When page protection is applied, it almost always assumes that there is something wrong with the article (NPOV disputes, weasel words, etc.). And because of this, the protected version is always the m:the wrong version. This talk page should be used to discuss the proposed changes and try to come to a consensus. If that effort fails, there are mediation options that are available. --MZMcBride 18:34, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. However, assuming that the Brian Reddyb story is indeed a hoax set up by the editor in question, then it would mean that the Vodafone and AmIAnnoying.com websites picked up their 'misinformation' from this Wikipedia article; thus, I felt that reverting it on the side of caution would be recommendable on grounds of damage control. However, since Brian Reddyb has contested my suggestion, I will wait until the issue itself is resolved. Ayla 23:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey guys, im new to the wiki world but am a big fan of Rednex and i had looked forward to contributing to their page on wikipedia. Is editing permanently blocked on the page? This issue of producers seems to have caused quite the storm. It is also being talked about now in parts of the media over here! Anyway i hope this will be resolved soon. Rednex rule!! Sanchezsteamer 01:42, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I've placed a two week block on the article. This is something administrators from time to time at Wikipedia when an editing dispute flares up. I may lift that block ahead of schedule if the problem gets resolved sooner. In the meantime you're welcome to propose edit changes here on the talk page. Regards, DurovaCharge! 03:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
{{editprotected}}
Assuming that Sanchezsteamer is not part of the hoax and that the issue is really being followed by the media, I strongly recommend the addition of the {{disputed}} template to the article. Ayla 12:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Fixed following page being downgraded to semi-protection. Ayla 02:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

As mentioned above, I am now at the point where I am indifferent to what version of Rednex is used. I have other things to use my time for other than waste it discussing this issue.Please feel free to choose whatever previous edit of the article you wish, I have no objection. As for the IP range, I will be living back in Stockholm in two weeks soon after which I will be living in the UK, so it will not affect me. Oh, and one last thing, guys make sure you get outside every once and a while. Consider the case closed and that I now remove any of my involvement in it, I'm too busy. Sanchezsteamer, thank you for taking an interest in Rednex, comments like that make it all the more worthwhile. Peace to all. Kindest Regards Brian Reddyb 11:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Be aware, Brian, that a siteban isn't tied to any particular IP range. If this goes forward then any editor can revert your actions on sight and any administrator can block whatever IP you use. This type of reversion has even been implemented by bot in some cases, and attempted ban evasion would lessen your chances of having a ban lifted if you ever appeal it. DurovaCharge! 21:01, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
So, Sanchezsteamer, you registered a new user account just to post the above comment? Could you be more specific about which "parts of the media" you are talking about? Finally, could you also specify what you wanted to contribute to the article?
Despite the compelling evidence presented by PrimeHunter, I feel that this has gone too far to be dismissed without a checkuser. There are dozens of sites which have picked up the Brian Reddyb story by now; it would be best to rebut it once and for good. Unless Brian Reddyb provides any justifiable objection, I propose we go ahead with the checkuser with or without his consent. This case meets the checkuser criteria, code A. The accounts in question are Chiefofmsiss, Brian Reddyb, and, whilst we're at it, Sanchezsteamer. The IPs are User:86.42.223.82 and User:86.42.224.156. Ayla 13:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
The IPs User:134.226.1.136 [39] (shared, should not be blocked), User:86.42.234.71 [40] and User:86.42.236.54 [41] have also made unsourced additions of "Brian Reddyb" to Rednex. PrimeHunter 14:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hoax or no hoax?

In response to some concerns above I'll explain this more fully. Unless Brian Reddyb accepts my offer soon I will act upon the compelling evidence, banning him from this site. From that point onward any editor may revert his edits immediately even if those edits come from shared IP addresses. No more good faith discussion is required, no examination of sourcing, etc. It's a simple matter to watchlist pages and revert. Moreover, from the moment of sitebanning onward, if reasonable suspicion exists that this user has evaded the ban then we can run checkuser whether or not he wants it and we'll checkuser all the suspected sockpuppets including Sanchezsteamer (a Google News search turned up nothing for this band in the last day, by the way). Checkuser has been known to turn up additional unsuspected sockpuppets where those also exist.

So unless some surprising development happens in the next few hours, I'll probably downgrade the protection on this article to semiprotection. If problems persist any editor can report them to this noticeboard and request additional userblocks and page protections. Any editor would also be able to request follow-up checkuser reports as necessary. If things drag on you can add a report at Wikipedia:Long term abuse.

Brian, if I'm mistaken please act quickly. You can use the "my preferences" link at the upper right corner of your screen to enable your e-mail address as the official band e-mail. Once you receive the verification e-mail from Wikipedia you can click the "e-mail this user" option at the left hand column of the page User:Durova and send me a message confirming your membership in the band and give your voluntary consent to undergo checkuser. These actions should clear up any doubt. DurovaCharge! 17:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

To be fair, Brian Reddyb has earlier stated that "I rescinded all my rights to the brand after my departure"; thus, it is highly unlikely (even if he is genuine) that he would have access to the official band email. I am not doubting that this is a hoax, but I want to avoid running the risk of having him come up with a complaint of us being prejudiced against him in the future. Brian: stating your voluntary consent to undergo checkuser would be sufficient to show your good faith for the time being, so I encourage you to take up the challenge. Ayla 17:40, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Siteban, protection downgraded

Brian Reddyb and registered sockpuppets are blocked indefinitely. The static IP addresses haven't edited in a long time so I haven't imposed any specific blocks on them: semiprotection will prevent them from editing this page. If problems continue, report to WP:ANI and file a class F checkuser request. I've downgraded the page protection at this article to semiprotection. Post new requests to WP:RFPP. Best wishes all and thank you for your assistance.

FYI, sometime in the coming months I'd like to revive an old noticeboard that used to centralize complex investigations. Please review Wikipedia:Requests for investigation and voice your support if you think it would have helped in this case. Regards, DurovaCharge! 01:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

To conclude, the article has been reverted to its original version pre hoax (and the dispute tag removed), the RfC closed, and the COI report archived. A checkuser has also been requested against the newly-registered Chiefofmsiss1. Ayla 23:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Just to [42]confirm what my good colleague Ayla has stated. Stirling work my good friend. I will keep monitoring for any future possibly linked sock puppetry events. Chiefofmsiss1 08:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words and the generous offer, but... don't bother with the monitoring. You're soon going to get blocked anyway. Ayla 13:16, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Another founder?

The Rednex official website is currently "under re-construction" and invites visitors to visit the band's MySpace site instead. The latter states that the founder of Rednex is Annika "Mary Joe" Ljungberg, who is also the "lead singer and harmonica". Is this correct? Or is it just a promotional facet to the band? (Note that the same source gives "Cotton Eye Joe" as "singer and plays the guitar and violin", and "Maverick" as "singer and plays guitar and banjo".) Ayla (talk) 21:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

From their official Pop Band For Sale! website: "The original lead singer Mary Joe came back to the band in 2004 after a 6 years absence. She is the person running the everyday business of the band, including releases etc., as she has a power of attorney to do so until 2008." Still not sure whether she should be considered a "founder". Ayla (talk) 22:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
The article doesn't use the word founder but says "Rednex was initially the brainchild of Swedish producers ...". Maybe "Mary Joe" was the first real musician but came after others got the idea for the band. The article says "The first female vocalist was Mary Joe". As you point out, the MySpace source appears to be written in-universe. I don't think the article and the sources directly contradict eachoter and I think we should keep what we have. I haven't seen a source which gives Mary Joe a "brainchild" role. And if she has power of attorney until 2008 then it implies somebody else gave it to her for a limited time period. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. I also later remembered that Pat Reiniz and Örjan Öberg had shown up (presumably) in person on this talk page and made no mention of any correction. Thanks for the reply! Ayla (talk) 11:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

What about the other founder Brian Reddyb? He is one of the original founders. Whilst he may have left after irreconcilable differences with a cofounder he still deserves to be mentioned in the article. Regards. 217.67.140.50 (talk) 11:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

217.67.140.50: Have you checked your talk page recently? Ayla (talk) 12:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

No. Why would an IP addressed user bother checking his/her talk page? Regards. 217.67.140.50 (talk) 10:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Protection

Why is this page protected and when is it set to be unprotected? Regards Reddtastic (talk) 15:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)