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[edit] Education

(First three postings relocated from User Talk:Dystopos#Mentioning zoned school districts for condominiums and User Talk:WhisperToMe#Redmont Hotel.)
It would SEEM so, but that's not the case.
1. Many American cities (to be fair, Birmingham isn't one of them) are served by multiple school districts. I.E. the city of Houston (where I live) has several school districts serving the city limits.
2. School districts typically assign schools to specific subdivisions or addresses. This should be noted for each *notable* condominium and each subdivision of a given city. WhisperToMe 04:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • The question of school districting may not be as evident as I had assumed, but it does not belong in the article. Perhaps relevant to a real estate listing, but not an encyclopedia. --Dystopos 04:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Maybe a paper encyclopedia wouldn't mention such things - but, I do not see the problem with mentioning them on here - especially since, in many neighborhoods, the schools form part of the "identities" of the said neighborhoods.
And, since many neighborhood articles mention the local schools, I thought I would add the same information to individual condominiums, since condominiums, just like platted subdivisions, have permanent residents of all ages. -- WhisperToMe 05:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Certainly school assignments are more notable as an attribute of a school district than a particular building within that district. Birmingham City Schools seems like a much better place to be adding such information. It is possible that school assignments could be relevant to a large multi-family project whose site selection was overtly made with school districting in mind. But, in this case, we're talking about nine 1- and 2-bedroom condos being marketed in a historic hotel. The school district is trivia and there certainly does not need to be an "education" section in an article about a hotel unless the hotel itself is providing that service. --Dystopos 05:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, but I believe school district articles are to cover about the district as a whole - specific schools often have their own articles (unless they are not deemed to be notable) - Neighborhoods served by the schools are often mentioned in the school articles, and vice versa (schools mentioned in neighborhood articles) - Yes, I know that the housing development mentioned here, if it attracts any families, would probably attract extremely wealthy families who would opt for private school. Still, I feel like all notable permanent housing developments should mention assigned schools (if applicable) WhisperToMe 06:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • How are nine 1- and 2- bedroom units a notable housing development? The information about schools is simply not relevant to this article. You could just as well specify the angle of incident sunlight during the summer and winter solstices or list the state legislators that have represented its district. The information may, possibly, be important to someone, but an encyclopedia isn't the place to add it. That's what the links are for. --Dystopos 14:50, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • If the Redmont Hotel, to you, doesn't seem notable, then you would AFD it. However, since it seems very much notable, it stays. Answer this: Why is a fact hopelessly linked to the building itself (the address of the building determining the assigned schools) not relevant to the building itself? WhisperToMe 22:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
  • It is notable for its history as a hotel and its status as a landmark. It is not notable as a residential community or in relation to Birmingham's school districting. The location of the building is clearly relevant to the article, and those interested in learning how that location corresponds with school assignments will be able to follow the links to that information. --Dystopos 06:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Dystopos, in order to find the information, the residents would have to CALL the school district or call the place itself... on a telephone. Birmingham Public Schools itself has no school locator, so I had to e-mail the district asking for the zoned schools. If you look at the website of the development, the developer says nothing about the schools. WhisperToMe 01:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I saw a request for comments on someone else's talk page, and I thought I'd add my two cents. In general, I don't think it's really relevant to mention the school district that serves a particular housing development, unless there's something out of the ordinary or notable about that fact. For example, Minneapolis Public Schools serves the Riverside Plaza development, but that doesn't add any real information to the Riverside Plaza article or the Minneapolis Public Schools article. It might be relevant to someone thinking about buying a residence in the Belmont Hotel development, but then it sort of smacks of using Wikipedia for advertising. --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 17:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I feel that there is a fine line between advertising and merely providing information. Merely stating that the residence is zoned to this school/district is NPOV and not really "advertising," since that will allow the reader to come to his or her own conclusions about the facilities. Adding "This is the best school in Anytown" or "This place is so ghetto that it is horrible!" adds POV. WhisperToMe 20:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I think the better way to accomplish whatever need there is for school district info would be to expand the article on Birmingham City Schools, not to add sub-almanac level trivia to articles about individual structures. --Dystopos 05:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
And do you feel like there is a consensus that this information would be "almanac"-level for any notable building? WhisperToMe 22:43, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps a real-estate publication if it were a residential project that could be expected to house scores of families with children. --Dystopos 18:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NRHP in the USA

  • Actually, there's at least one not in the US, per se, the American Legation, Tangier. But I add the USA part, as comments are made about articles being more 'global'. Figure it doesn't hurt anything, and if it helps someone in a foreign country understand an article a bit better, then it's all good. So I'll add back in the USA flag bit, okey-dokey? :) --Ebyabe 22:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Also, per my suggestion, the infobox header now specifies that the NRHP is for the US. --Dystopos 16:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)