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After Satavahana dynasty Andhra Pradesh was divided into several kingdoms, such as Ikshvakus, Brihatpalayanas, Anandas, Salankayanas, Pitrubhaktas, Matharas, Vasishtas etc. Ikshwaku dynasti supported Budhism. Chalukya dynasty (540-1075 AD) was a warrior tribe/caste dynasty and was Vaishnavite, but upheld tribal/caste differences and Vedic learning and supported Brahmins . Vishnuvardhana was a staunch Vaishnavite and revived Aswamedha , but his queen was a devout Jain! Later kings of the dynasty converted to Shaivism. Toward the end of the dynasty Virashaivism came to Andhra Pradesh from Karnataka. Budhism totally declined because of lack of royal support.

Kakatiya Dynasty (1000-1323 AD) was an indigenous power that sprang from the local people (the so-called vedic fourth class, the Sudras). Jainism was prominent during 11th century but was wiped out by Shaivism during this period. Reddy dynasty (1325-1424AD) was established by Kammas, Velamas, and Reddis, powerful non-Aryan tribes/castes. Vijayanagara empire (1336-1678 AD), Vijayanagaram city as capital, was ruled by four dynasties in succession:1) Sangama, 2) Saluva, 3) Tuluva, and 4) Aravidu dynasties. With the threat of Islam (an alien religion and culture), various local religions/tribes/castes came together (christened by Islamic invaders as Hindus) to fight against Islam, during this period. The Vijayanagara rulers hailed from local peasant communities and tried to perpetuate or protect the individual religious/tribal/caste identities.

Contents 1 Status 2 Vema Reddy 3 Deletions and additions 4 Is Reddy a caste? 5 Intercaste Marriages 6 Is Reddy a caste? 7 What are you talking?? 8 Reddy sub-castes 9 Two lists of names 10 Lot of old discussion on this page is deleted 11 Readdition 12 Move history of Reddy Dynasty 13 Pioneers 14 Notable Reddys 15 additions to the list of prominent Reddys 16 What is the % of population and class status of reddys in Andhra pradesh 17 Conditions for editing 18 Reddy & Kapu 19 Reply 20 Sources 21 Clarifications 22 Reddys or Reddies? 23 view www.answers.com 24 Disgrace! 25 Intolerance 26 Editing 27 Invitation 28 Kshatriya or Sudra - no source 29 Kapus and Reddys 30 article consists reddy domination 31 To editors: Remove Spam 32 Origin 33 New Input 34 This article should n't be a caste article RATHER it should a title article like NAIDU, RAO ,NAYAK etc 35 Editing 36 Request 37 Rathi 38 Removed unwanted sections 39 Confusion 40 Chaos 41 ****Reddy is Kshatriya and Shudra**** 42 Addition to the "Academia and Science" 43 Addition of new heading "Miscellaneous" 44 Rewriting 45 Aryan / Dravidian Myth 46 Notable Reddys

[edit] Status

reddy's r the rulers

[edit] Vema Reddy

The material on Vema Reddy is good. However, it needs editing. Vema Reddy was part of the Nayak confederation lead by Musunuri Prolaya Nayaka and later Kapaya Nayaka. He helped consolidate Hindu opposition to marauding muslims and cooperated with Musunuri cousins. When Recherla Velama nayaks raided Addanki, Kapaya Nayaka came to support Vema Reddy and drove back Velamas, which was greatly resented by them and ultimately led to Kapaya's martyrdom at Bhuvanagiri. After Kapaya's death, Reddys at Addanki became independent. Musunuri cousins were Kammas with whom Padmanayaka Velamas had sworn rivalry.

[edit] Deletions and additions

The section "Notorious Reddys" was deleted by someone. A logical explanation should have been given before deleting the matter. One can argue about these names in an unbiased manner.

I have organised all the names mentioned under categories but the list still needs a lot of work. People notable for both positive and negative reasons can be included if they are notable enough and if only bare facts are given. See WP:BLP. Also, some people are mentioned twice, there is a lot of formatting to do, etc. etc. Itsmejudith 14:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

The material in "Notorious Reddys" has been continually re-added. This is in breach of Wikipedia policy WP:BLP since the information is negative and largely unverifiable, and therefore potentially libellous. I have asked for the page to be semi-protected so that this material cannot be added again by an anonymous editor. Negative points about individuals can be added in these circumstances: if there is a good source, if that individual is a public figure in their own right (not just a relative of a public figure), if the information is relevant to the subject's notability and if the presentation is unbiased. Thanks.Itsmejudith 17:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is Reddy a caste?

'Reddy' is not a caste. All the people who have the title 'Reddy' belong to Kapu caste. Government records of old Madras Presidency attest to this fact. Reddy title is used by many other castes, although sparingly nowadays, by Telaga, Kamma, Vokkaliga (Karnataka) etc.

-- You have a big misconception like few others, and you are misinterpreting facts to justify this. Only *some* percentage of the people who have the title Reddy belong to the Kapu caste. How can others who are Motati or Deshmukh Reddy's possibly belong to the Kapu caste? These are disjoint sub-castes. Needless to say, the true Reddy caste is being affected by people of other castes who are generally assuming the Reddy title: so much so that people refer to Reddy as a title. Thanks to a person's initial or family/village name that's often used to ascertain for sure who is a true Reddy and those that just have them as a title.

- Read from Page 306 http://books.google.com/books?id=lYSd-3yL9h0C&pg=PA244&dq=kapu+caste&lr=&sig=2mvLWdEVvJYo-3qaYXuuaHAhXno#PPA306,M1

Kapu subcastes - Panch Reddi (Motati, Godati, Pakanati, Ghittapu, Gone subdivisions), Penta (I guess Panta), Kamma, Velama etc - they interdine, but do not intermarry. That explains that over a period of time, other Kapu divisions than Kamma, Velama - integrated into Reddy caste. Anyway this manual refers to Nizam area. Its little complicated in Coastal area. Reddy Kings belong to Panta Kapu (Reddy) branch. Yogi Vemana is one among them. I never heard any relation between, current day Kapus and Panta Kapus (Reddies). In my opinion, in history, whenever, Kapu name mentioned, it points to current day Reddy people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.225.250.1 (talk) 19:12, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Intercaste Marriages

What is the percentage of inter-caste and inter-religious marriages in the Reddy community? If it is less than 20%, aren't they anti-social? Maaparty 17:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is Reddy a caste?

Present day "Reddys" originally belong to motati caste.

You are only partially right. Strictly speaking, Reddy became a caste long back. However, many people who originally belong to other castes are generally using it as a title: this doesn't mean that they are true Reddy's. As you say, if we go back into history, Motati and Deshmukhs are the true Reddy's. Many of those who use it as a title like Kapus can or cannot be arguably called Reddy's.

Well when you talk about Reddys and Kapus the Chicken and Egg question does not Apply as to who came first... The Telaga sub caste of Kapu is shown to be existent by 6th Century B.C. even before the Rashtrakutas came into existence!!!! who according to this article are supposed to be Reddy ancestors... Questionable but that does not concern me...Coming back to Reddy title it was not owned by a particulat community not too long back and was something that was representative of a profession of being the village Head which the Kapu community were hence had these titles and they stopped using these titles because of the title Nayaka/Naidu which became a Professioinal/Caste title for them...

I assume you are a Telangana Reddy... But if you are speaking about the oldest Reddy sub caste then i would say the Panth Kapu/Panta Reddy can be nominated as the oldest one...By the way iam not a Reddy

[edit] What are you talking??

It looks like you do not have any idea of Reddy caste.

1). What castes are using the word Reddy??

Reddy is a title used purely by the people belong to Reddy caste.

@@@ Dude Although wouldnt want to show Reddys as a branch of Kapu/Telaga/Balija Caste... but the point is somwhere down the line during history you will kfind that there was no Caste called Reddy... Infact you would be surprised by the amount of Kapu/Telaga Surnames khaving Reddy in their Surname... Maybe Tealangana Reddys are not related but the Panta Kapu/Pokanati/Kudida Kapu and others from Rayalaseema are surely related Take out the Gothrams for further reference....

Another startling fact is Kapu and Kamma Surnames are so similar but when it comes to Gothrams they hardly match Anyway Reddys have a separate identity now so do the Kapu Naidu/Telaga/balija/Munnuru kapy community..

2). If you say the present day reddys are motati, what about pedakanti reddys, gutati reddys, pokanati reddys?

There are many sub-castes in Reddys and a few of them are mentioned above. Infact there are 64 types of reddy's and i don't think we should discuss about them. Why do we need to divide ourselves?

3). Reddy caste is with out any doubt an offshoot of rashtrakuta dynasty.

4). Regarding the historical records..

please refer to the references provided by the author. Also any body who knows the history can acknowledge the marital relations between the khsyatriyas and reddys.

5). Other prominent people include Vijaya Nagireddy and KV Reddy. Vijaya studios produced the best of the Telugu Movies. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sasireddy (talk • contribs) 16:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Reddy sub-castes

Though the Reddy caste can be divided into a number of sub-castes, I think here are the four prominent sub-castes that would merit listing when we talk about Reddy's:

1. Deshmukh

2. Motati

3. Gutati

(4. Kapu)

The first two sub-castes are true Reddys. The last two were originally Kapus and can't claim Kshatriya status. It would be debatable as to whether the last one should be listed. There are others like Pakinati that fall in between Motati and Gutati. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.189.188.23 (talk) 04:34, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

There are so many more subcastes, and so it may be more accurate to say that Reddy is a title name used by many castes that are farmers or landlords(like zamindars and heads). Mlpkr 16:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Could you the Author who has proclaimed the below:

1. Deshmukh

2. Motati

3. Gutati

(4. Kapu)

The first two sub-castes are true Reddys.

Could you provide substantial proof / objective approach as to how this has been deduced?

Also for the other statement you have made which is as below:

The last two were originally Kapus and can't claim Kshatriya status. There are others like Pakinati that fall in between Motati and Gutati.

Ajayreddyp (talk) 11:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Two lists of names

There are two lists of names. I think they need to be merged, and may go in its own page. Or remove them and have category from all the individual pages. Simply having the general info about Reddy caste here is right thing to do. Agree? Mlpkr 16:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I merged the list of names (but more have since been added so it needs doing again). I also put the list at the end, which I think is the right place for it. It could perhaps become another article but more important is that the list should be shortened, restricted to only those who are notable enough for their own article, and kept within the guidelines of WP:BLP.Itsmejudith 14:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lot of old discussion on this page is deleted

Is that right thing to do? Mlpkr 17:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Readdition

Material deleted earlier is pasted back.

Basava PuranamLong time back I heard that basava puranam has lot of references to Origins of Reddy. If anyone know more about it let me know.--Vyzasatya 12:38, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Kapu & Reddy The discussion about the linkage between Kapu and Reddy is irrelevant simply because Kapu is a pure Telugu word for farmer or one who protects and tills the land (The equivalent words 'ryot' and 'Karshaka' are Persian and Sanskrit, respectively). All present day agrarian castes viz., Kapu, Telaga, Balija, Kamma, Reddy, Munnuru Kapu and Ontari were once called Kapus. Due to historical and social conflicts these people got themselves divided into social groups. Some persons got titles (Reddy, Naidu, Choudary etc) because of their exalted status of village and military leaders, which got consolidated as separate castes. A recent example is that Reddys were classified as Kapus till the exit of British. Even today, Reddys are categorized as Kapus in civil records in many districts. Arguments in this respect are trivial and hollow.--Kumar

YOGI VEMANA If you need i can produce details of them. But remember one thing there is lot of confusion between kapus and reddy's and many places reddy's are called as kapu and andhra kapu's are lot different and no relation to reddy's.

For your information during this peiod there was no caste Called Reddy and people who had Reddy as their title were from Kapu/Telaga community...

Well so you wanna claim that Reddys evolved by themselves and are from Rashtrakutas??? I you refer to any of the History Documetns some Section's of the Reddys have infact Branched away from Kapu community.You want proof well i have tons of it...

YOGI VEMANA

It appears that no proper research had been done about him,his birth place and his caste before he was branded as a poet belonging to Reddy caste when Vemana himself wrote that he belonged to Kapu caste.If it is true that he was born in Kondaveedu in Guntur district as per one school of thought Vemana should belong to Kapu caste only,but not to Reddy caste.Kondaveedu is about 25 kilometers from Guntur where no Kapu person would be called Reddy as far as I know. Even If Vemana was born in some other area where some Reddys equate with Kapus it should always be the right way for any writer or investigator to brand him as "KAPU " since Vemana bragged about his "KAPU CASTE" and no where bragged about Reddy caste.I just want to quote some of the lines about his Kapu back ground in his Telugu poems.

"Kali Yugamuna nunna KAPU KULANIKI Vemana tana keerthi vikrainche"

"KAPUKULAJU lentha karmatthulainanu Paaparasi kontha parisipovu Vivara meruganatti Verri Jeevulu gana"

"Vuppu chinthapandu Vuurilo nundaga Karuvadela vacche KAPULARA Thaalakam berugaro thagarambu nerugaro"

In my opinion it is proper to consider Vemana's caste as Kapu rather than Reddy without distortion since Vemana himself quoted that he belonged to Kapu caste in the above poems.

Answers to the above are as below.

Vemana is a reddy and his father's name is reddy and his grand father's name is reddy and most reddy's claimed themselves as kapu because in olden days who ever do agriculture were called as kapu..Please don't confuse with many doubts like this. And all vemana's relatives in Ananthapur and kadiri exist to day. If you need i can produce details of them. But remember one thing there is lot of confusion between kapus and reddy's and many places reddy's are called as kapu and andhra kapu's are lot different and no relation to reddy's.

Reddys (atleast in Rayalaseema) claim they are kApas. Thats what they write in Caste certificate. I have also seen in old texts Reddys being referred as Kapas. (Ref:p.139 of A Manual of the Kurnool District in the Presidency of Madras by Narahari Gopalakrishnamh Chetty , Government Press, Madras, 1886) Commonly known as Madras Manuals. Why two different names??. In this text It lists Kapus, Velamas, Kammas as Shudras. I would be happy to see the evidence contrary to it too. After all I want to know about my heritage. --Vyzasatya 13:09, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Iam a Kapu Reddy too, iam from chittoor dist, basically the reddies from the forming community called kapus to my knowledge....Even my caste specifies as KAPU in my school TC etc...AumprakashReddy 04:47, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Rashtrakuta's Rajputs?I know Rathores of Rajastan claim both Rashtrakuta ancestry and Rajput ancestry. But what are the exact historical proofs to delcare Rashtrakutas as of Rajput origin? Many places it is written as one of the theories, here it's directly declared as a true history. Almost all of the literary works during Rashtrakuta period was in Kannada and not only that there was a work related to Karnataka's geographical boundaries so their place has remained as true Kannada kings in Karnataka. No, I don't have any problem with Reddys appropriating Rashtrakuta name for their higher status along with Indo-Aryan birth. Yes, 'R' and 'T' in Rashtrakuta closely resemble with 'R' and 'D' in Reddy. However, for a Dravidian, Reddy sounds like 'Chetty(Tamil)' or 'Shetty(Tulu)'. --Manjunatha (24 Aug 2005 10:23 IST)

Why the above talk was deleted? Vandalism from 131.225.82.174. He looks like he is new to wiki --Vyzasatya 14:39, 24 August 2005 (UTC) while the reddy rajas might not have been genetically connected to the rashtrakutas, they were probably the inheritors of rashtrakuta political power in andhra. this is what is meant by claiming their origin to rashtrakutas. when a new power rises, it tries to legitmate itself by placing itself in the ancient lineage. for example, sivaji claimed that his maratha confedracy was a succession of vijayanagara. we know that the rulers of vijayanagara were actually of kannadiga origin, but sivaji's claim is still valid if you consider it in light of political descendence.--Reddyraja 21:18, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

can you provide some more evidence regarding rashtrakuta origin --Vyzasatya 16:39, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Poojareddy 22:17, 5 February 2006 (UTC)I was wondering if anyone on this discussion page would know if there are any works out there (either in Telugu or in English) that comprehensively document Reddy history. Or, if not, what are some good books that document some or parts of Reddy history?

When it comes to South Indian society, caste hierarchy actually is irrelevent. I'm not sure if it's Manu's declaration in Manu Smriti that all the Dravidas are Shudras which determined the permanent Shudra status for all the warrior and merchant communities of South India. In fact, dominance of any caste because of higher caste status is not valid in South Indian society. Here the social dominance should be viewed from the angle of feudalism. However, I do agree caste rules did influence the South Indian society in a way that all the classes became endogamous units. Manjunatha (25 Oct 2005) I think there are few fundamental questions we have to ask before writing an article on caste. The fact is caste itself is a POV. So we have to be very careful while using the terms "upper" and "lower" castes. I suppose those are really qualifying terms and could be POV. More precise terms could be "dominant" and "weaker" castes. Again this has to be weighed against historical context. Because the self-styled upper castes and the declared lower-castes can be dominant and weaker at different points of history. I suppose Brahmins no longer weild the clout in political and social area as they used to be in the past. However, "upper" or "lower" is a matter of choice(unless if you are totally irrational to believe the gods wanted so but perhaps in wikipedia the words should be more secular). However, the word dominant could be tested and you do see Reddys and Kammas are dominant in Andhra and that makes sense. Also, I could even equate somebody claiminig themselves to be the upper caste is equal to the Whites declaring themselves to be the superior race. --Manjunatha (12 November 2005)

Thanks for nice insight --Vyzasatya 07:48, 12 November 2005 (UTC) 210.214.50.32, Please read the attached reference about the varna status of the Reddy community. It was written by a reddy judge so i don't see how there can be anymore debate about this matter. There is nothing to be ashamed of, it doesn't change their high status of today. [1]--Satya7 23:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Chowdhury Reddy Anon user 203.126.136.223 posted the following:

Chowdhury Reddy(Chowdhury in late Mughal times was taken as next to zamindar in rank though socially a Chowdhury was considered superior to a zamindar,this word is carried on to the telangana region during the nizams rule, called as patels in telangana region),

Is there any reddy subcaste called chowdhury reddy's?. I didnot hear about them anywhere. Someone please verify. --Vyzasatya 14:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC) I heard of palle reddy, Reddy Gandla and konda reddy

Can these be added.

Also some one need to clarify on which sub casts can offically be allowed to marry other sub casts and which treat themself as real different cast!

You can go ahead and add Palle Reddy, Reddy Gandla and Konda Reddy. I too heard of them.--Vyzasatya 18:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC) I know many people who are chawdary reddies and heard about Gandla reddies---[reddythegreat]

I heard of Chowdary reddy's in Adilabad district. The history states that there were seven brothers in Adilabad district and the eldest is chowdary reddy and the total community is called by his name.His other brothers are motati,gudati,gandla,kapu,gone, pedda kapu etc.There is no written evidence any where listed for the sub castes.

I Heard of Chawdary Reddies and Gandla reddies in Adilabad and KarimNagar District. Actually reddies who were involved in Forest Contracts and trading of Oil and forest produce were called as Gandla reddies. Chawdary reddies were jamindars and higher rank villagers and Chawdary some how came from Nizam rulers. American Medical Association SurveyCan you please provide the link as to where you found "In the 2004, the American Medical Association survey of last or middle names in United States revealed 4.02% of the practicing physicians had Reddy as their Middle or Last Name"

And also should it be 4.02% of physicians of indian origin or 4.02% of all physicians in US? Please correct it accordingly

I did not write the above sentense. I am ticked off by the anons. so I am not bothered what they make of this page --Vyzasatya 09:40, 11 February 2006 (UTC) Can you please provide the link as to where you found "In the 2004, the American Medical Association survey of last or middle names in United States revealed 4.02% of the practicing physicians had Reddy as their Middle or Last Name"

And also should it be 4.02% of physicians of indian origin or 4.02% of all physicians in US? Please correct it accordingly

Faith"The first conversion of Reddys to Christianity took place at Madigubba in Anantapur District in 1750 where Thumma Hanumantha Reddy got converted as Thumma Rayapa Reddy. The Catholic Reddy women wear Talibottu and Bottu (Tilak). They wear Mettalu and follow Telugu traditions and customs. Catholic Reddy's marry only Reddys either Hindus or Catholics. It is common for Catholic Reddys to have many Hindu relatives. Catholic Reddys are treated as a Forward caste by the government as they are landlords and enjoy their position in villages."

[edit] Move history of Reddy Dynasty

I think the detail about the Reddy dynasty should be moved to that article and only briefly summarised here. If there are no objections, I will do that.Itsmejudith 17:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pioneers

Why is there so much aversion to listing famous reddys ALONG with what they are famous for?

For Example 1.) GVK is the richest Reddy but this has no mention in the article. 2.) Bharath Reddy was the first Reddy to play cricket for the Indian National team. His name finds no mention here. 3.) Dan Reddy was among the 100 richest people on earth in 1998 according to Forbes magazine, but the article only lists him as founder of Alliance Semiconductor. 4.) Shilpa Reddy is the first Reddy Mrs India. 5.) N. Janardhan Reddy is the first Christian Reddy CM.

Why is there so much aversion to list the word 'first' or richest? After all that is an achievement!

Projectsbaker 21:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC) P B

Well, I've been trying to clean up the list, only because I know about Wikipedia processes. I don't see much point in including people who are not notable enough for their own article. Also there should be a reliable source for each statement. A mention in a newspaper would be sufficient, preferably in English as this is the English language Wikipedia.Itsmejudith 22:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by 'I don't see much point in including people who are not notable enough for their own article' ???

Why this rule ? 'A mention in a newspaper would be sufficient,' Just because there is newpaper article does not make it right, truth or honest. So how can you just proscribe to the view of an article? Besides how can we link to articles that are not electronic? Also what about facts that are clear? Will we still need a newspaper article to state that the sky is blue? Since this is wikipedia, everyone takes an interest in promoting, preserving and expanding it. What gives you the authority to dismiss others additions and that too just because they do not fit into your view of what should and who should be highlighted?

I am trying to stick by Wikipedia policy. If people are notable enough for the encyclopedia, they should have their own article. I don't have very fixed ideas about who is notable enough. There are policies about sources. Major newspapers are generally considered to be reliable sources for Wikipedia because they have staff who fact-check the stories. Of course they make errors but they are willing to correct their errors. If you look at the relevant science articles you will indeed see that there is a source given for the fact that the sky is blue. It does not matter if a source is electronic or not, it can still be cited as the source. For a newspaper article you would state the title of the paper, the date, title of the article, and preferably the page number and the byline of the author if there is one. There is a lot of work still to be done including people who are eminent and very worthy of their own article and not much point in including those who are not well known. Itsmejudith 22:50, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Reddys

I am going to go back to cleaning this list up. It should be just one list of notable people. some of them may indeed be eminent but the main thing is that people should only be mentioned if they are notable enough for their own entry in the encyclopedia. I will leave in anyone who doesn't currently have an entry but it looks as if they should have, including anyone who has held high elected office. When the list is clean, it will not have any notes by the names of people, as the reader can click on the link to go to the article about the person. If anyone has any objections, please mention them here. Itsmejudith 14:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

However, I don't think that all MLAs in Andhra Pradesh with Reddy and similar names should be included, as there are so many of them. Itsmejudith 14:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] additions to the list of prominent Reddys

Pinnapureddy.Narotham Reddy Managing Director Prime Power Devices

KS Jawahar Reddy Managing Director of the Hyderabad Metropolitan Water Supply and Sewerage Board and IAS —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pk321 (talk • contribs) 11:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

New Additions to common Reddy Names

Dr Vadiyala Mohamn Reddy-Pediatric Cardiac surgeon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skrm (talk • contribs) 19:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC) Dr Vadiyala Mohan Reddy-Pediatric Cardiac surgeon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skrm (talk • contribs) 19:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What is the % of population and class status of reddys in Andhra pradesh

Two important points needed to be double checked,firstly what is the percentage of population of reddy's in present day andhra pradesh.I have seen written records of the government mentioning that the reddy population was 6% of Andhra population untill late 1980's.does anybody know how much is it now.Owing to liberal usage of the reddy caste name.the count might have doubled or tripled by now. Also regarding this reddy's being sudra ,it is useless to argue after it has been clearly stated that the reddys do not represent an ethnic group ,many strands[read communities and castes]make the reddy caste.There might be sudras,brahmins,kshatriyas,untouchables,mercentale groups among the forefathers of reddys. Secondly,If people are of the opinion that reddys are shudras because they dont have any thread ceremony.as vedic tradition brands any person who doesnt follow the thread ceremony as shudras or panchamas.people should remember that the nairs,velamas,kammas,half of rajput clans,jats,khetris,aroras,lohanas,kambhojas,marathas,kakatiyas,chalukyas,maurya..and so on.. all of whom who have once fought fierce battles,built empires.. do not have thread ceremony as part of their culture and the ceremony is not a touchstone to kshatriyahood or aryanhood and many kings and kingdoms have proudly proclaimed that they belong to the shudra class..and moreover it is not easy and appropriate to attribute class system to communities in south india..anyways, delving deep into this topic will become a book onto itself.Also one has to remember that once u are out of brahminism you are stripped of your class status too..buddhist kings cannot claim to be kshatriyas.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.77.7.2 (talk) 18:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Conditions for editing

Would those who want to edit this (or any article) make sure that they give an explanation (at least in the edit summary) and sources for everything they do (either here or in the article). See WP:CITE and WP:OR for our guidelines and policies on this. Changes that are made with no explanation and source will be reverted. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 10:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reddy & Kapu

Reddys as they are known today were Kapus. During Kakatiya and pre-Kakatiya times Kapus who acted as village heads were given the title "Reddy". This title was common to all Kapu sub-castes (now independent) viz., Telaga, Balija, Velama, Yadava and Kamma. Thurston's book on South Indian castes is authentic. He included 'Reddy' under 'Kapu' section.

(http://www.archive.org/details/CastesAndTribesOfSouthernIndiaVolV)

Pge 256: (http://www.archive.org/details/CastesAndSouthernIndiaVol6)Kumarrao 14:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Dear Mr.Rao ,ooh yaah quite possible that kapus might have been given the title reddy .but what about the rashtrakutas ,dint they mix with the local population of ap,werent they a significant population of the formative reddy community.I think the rashkutas who were less in number have knighted kapus giving them a title raddi making them village headman etc.As u might be aware that kapus in the days of yore meant a farmer irrespective of caste/community. It was a superset.do not equate the pre-kakatiya kapus with today's kapus.so it is of utmost importance on how wee imterpret the word kapu in thurston's book.Also it is not difficult to see that post independence many many kapus are sporting the title reddy which was hitherto not possible and existed.the reddy population which was just 6% in 1989 in govt. census is now lingering around 15% or so.wht do you think is the reason.also you will see a profound difference in the culture of motati/deshmukh/panta reddys with other type of reddy's.I think this argument of reddys,velamas,kammas being shudras doesnt hold water.

We have heard various opinions expressed on this issue, but does anyone have a recent and reliable source that can be used in the encyclopedia? Itsmejudith 09:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Reddy, Kamma, Telaga, Balija and Velama people are all called Kapus in common parlance in A.P., even today, depending upon the region where they are prevalent. Kapu basically means farmer/protector of lands. Prolaya Vema Reddy, a well-known king of Reddy dynasty proudly claimed that he was of fourth varna (Sudra). Please see the article. Claiming Kshatriya status and vague linkages with Rashtrakutas (absolutely no historical evidence) do not hold water.Kumarrao 12:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

-- That's absolutely wrong. What place of AP are you from? I stay in Hyderabad and I've never heard that either in Hyderabad or in any of the districts surrounding it. The true Reddys are linked to Rashtrakutas and are Kshatriyas. Kapus are Kapus, some have the title of Reddys; but let that not mislead us.

This is going round in circles. The question can only be resolved with good written sources, otherwise the article must be silent on the whole question of whether Reddys are Sudras or Kshatriyas. Kumarrao, do you have something in writing to support what you say about Prolaya Vema Reddy? It does not have to be an electronic or on-line source and does not absolutely have to be in English, although English-language sources are preferred. Itsmejudith 18:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

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[edit] Clarifications

A person living in a metropolitan city like Hyderabad would certainly not know the ground reality in rural areas. Even in rural areas of coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema the usage of caste affiliations has changed over the past 30-40 years. Oldtimers would certainly know this. The fact that all Census data during British times listed only Kaapus (obvioulsly including people with the title 'reddy') in Rayalaseema is an example. King Sri Krishnadevaraya in his 'Amuktamalyada' refers many times to 'Kapus' (again obviously to farmers in rayalaseema region). Old Telugu texts such as 'Rayavachakam' refers to the damage done to the crops of Kaapus by Raya's army while marching to wage war. Edgar Thurston (pre-independence India) had done a thorough analysis of South Indian castes and included 'reddy' under the section 'Kapu' Prolaya Vema Reddy's claim that he was a Sudra is present in the article itself with suitable references. This shows that 'Reddys' were once considered 'Kaapus', that they are of fourth Varna (Sudra) and basically belonging to a farming community.Kumarrao 10:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Can I clarify these points by taking them one by one?

1. You say that the census data during British rule included Reddys in Kapus. That should be verifiable but it still needs a reference to a census document which perhaps someone can find in a university library. 2. I don't understand why references to Kapus should prove anything about the status of Reddys. 3. Edgar Thurston's work is very debatable as a source in WP because it is so old and perhaps also biased. 4. Prolaya Vema Reddy's claim to be a Sudra could be relevant but in fact there is currently no reference in the article for this claim. Are there no sociologists or historians in India who have examined this question? Itsmejudith 21:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok Dude you want to claim Kshtriya Status for Reddys and you also wanna say that Edgar Thurston's was Biased..I guess you would go to any extent to prove your theory right and that too withou proofs... By the way there was another great Historian Colin Mckenzie who said all the Kingdoms in Coastal Andhra belonged to Kapu Naidu starting from Satavahanas... And he also mentioned about Reddy not being a caste prior to the Kakateeya Kingdom... So how come you are tracing your orgin as a Caste to Rashtrkutas Please dont make ridicullous arguments... liek kammas saying there was Kammanadu twisting the fact that it was Karmanadu and Reddys claiming that all words which rhym Reddy like Rathi,Raadi,Redu are nothing but Reddy origins ridiculous... Your gentics say you are of Dravidian Descent and Rashtrakutas unfortunately are not of Dravidian Stock...The fact of the matter is you are an offshoot of the Kapu Naidu Caste

Hi unsigned Dude! I think you're right and as far as anyone can know I am not of "Dravidian Stock". In fact I am as British as Edgar Thurston or Colin Mckenzie. Itsmejudith 08:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reddys or Reddies?

Which is best? The article should consistently use one spelling or the other except when it is quoting other writers, or business names etc. Itsmejudith 08:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I've tried to start making it consistent; the normal English plural would be "Reddies", and I haven't seen a source that explains why that shouldn't be the case. I don't get much time to work on it though, as I'm kept busy reverting unexplained and unsourced additions/deletions/changes. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 08:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely right about the consistency. At the moment I marginally prefer "Reddys", since "Reddy" is not an English word but ideally we should go with whichever is the most common spelling used by writers in English in southern India. Anybody else got a view? Itsmejudith 18:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The trouble is that almost the only people who try to edit here have a pathological aversion to explaining their edits or giving sources... The article seemed to suggest that both forms are prevalent; if they are, then we just have to choose one. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 19:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Mel, do as you see fit - all your edits have been an improvement (or a valiant attempt to prevent further deterioration). I did a lot on this page at one point but there is still so much to do and I won't be able to contribute much for the next few weeks. Itsmejudith 20:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

(Thanks for your kind words.) I've found this site; they sometimes use "Reddys", sometimes "Reddies", and sometimes "Reddis"... Still, the site contains some useful information. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 21:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

hi guys why dont you look at www.answers.com and it has given some good facts about reddys

Reddy is a name and the 'y' simply shouldn't be turned into 'ies' for the sake of its plural! You don't see lists of Tonys become Tonies do you?

[edit] view www.answers.com

hey guys why dont you look at www.answers.com web site for more on reddys —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yashwanthkarry (talk • contribs) 03:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

Because Answers.com is primarily a mirror of old versions of Wikipedia. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 09:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Reddys in Kerala??? The subject under 'Reddy' talks of there being Reddy's in Kerala and equates them to the 'Nair' caste of Kerala. This is incorrect. The Nairs were not merely farming heads or village heads. They were the noble castes of Kerala and were primarily involved in warfare.

[edit] Disgrace!

I am a Reddy. I came by this Wikipedia article on Reddys today, hoping to find some interesting information that I didn't know. Unfortunately, the whole article is in a complete mess, with hardly any scholarly or factual information, lots of hearsay, with no citations etc. The level of the article is amteurish and non-encyclopedic, far below the level expected of Wikipedia articles. Compare it to the article on Kammas, for instance (!) There were four requests for editing and reorganising the material stamped on by the Wikipedia community. Can't we do better than this? -- Uday Reddy Reddyuday Uday Reddy, 13 May 2007

The article needs help from people with access to reliable sources. Please help as much as you can. Itsmejudith 07:02, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately,it is not easy to get reliable sources on castes because there has been no scholarly research on them since Indian independence and the old British sources are mostly based on folklore. Do you want to believe the folklore that is incorporated here, or that written up by some British ethnographer who had a superficial understanding of the society? Take your pick!

I personally have no problem with people contributing the folklore in their knowledge to Wikipedia, but they shouldn't take it that their folklore is the only folklore. When there are multiple view points, it is best to discuss them here. My kudos to the valiant editors who have been cleaning up the article! Reddyuday (talk) 08:03, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Intolerance

Dear Mr Reddyuday, I have been doing editing of quite a few articles related to Telugu, Telugu language, people, history etc in a historical perspective. I got flak from a few people who have been prejudiced by caste affinities. I stopped editing articles related to certain castes. In addition, there has been rampant vandalism of certain well-written articles. Caste is a reality. One should accept historical truths, learn about past mistakes and avoid repeating them in future. Pride in one's own caste is OK but it shold not lead to prejudice towards others. I shall be glad to edit 'Reddy' article.Kumarrao 05:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing

I started the editing the article. I face many problems. Can anyone provide a reference linking Reddys to Rashtrakutas? Please participate in the discussion before making changes to the edited portions.Kumarrao 11:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Large portions are being deleted because of duplications, incoherence and superfluous nature of the material. Any objections or comments?Kumarrao 07:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

This is the right approach, and thank you for doing this. There may be a few points that editors will want to keep in, but we can sort that out on this talk page. Itsmejudith 11:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Invitation

Users are requested to contribute to the sections on Vijayanagar period, Kakatiya period British period etc.,Kumarrao 07:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kshatriya or Sudra - no source

I have removed the mention of the position of the Reddys in the Varna system. There is no source for a statement either that they are Sudra or Kshatriya. Please, editors, don't re-add this point in either direction unless you have a good reliable source. An example of a good source would be a book about the sociology of southern India - published in the twentieth or twenty-first century, not the nineteenth. Itsmejudith 07:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I think whether its Reddys or Kammas or Velamas, referring to themselves as Kshatriyas, isn't entirely untrue or true. It is a fact that none of these castes, incl. even the Brahmins can claim to be purely of Aryan or Dravidian origin. A clue is in the skin colour. There are different tones of skin colour in most of these castes. There is exhaustive evidence to show that most castes in South India and India too, are not purely Aryan or Dravidian. Its purely a myth that some castes are Dravidian and some Aryan. Pure Aryans if at all may exist in Iran, parts of Central Asia and Europe.--Altruism^{T a l k - Contribs.} 10:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure you're right, and this is why I suggested that we need to refer to sociology, in case we can get a source that says where Reddys are regarded to belong today. Itsmejudith 10:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kapus and Reddys

Kapu is used to refer to agriculturists/protectors of lands. It was an inclusive term which referred in one stroke to several castes. The present-day usage of Kapu is quite different from its earlier usage. It now seems that a collection of castes have adopted a common umbrella and call themselves Kapu. --Altruism^{T a l k - Contribs.} 12:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC) famous reddy- mention dr vadiyala mohan reddy-world famous pediatric cardiac surgeon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skrm (talk • contribs) 19:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] article consists reddy domination

In a few areas especially in the "Social and political position of reddy's " part the description is quite descriminative about the regain of the political regain of power by reddy's after the term of N.T.Rama Rao

On the whole the article is quite descriminative and dominates over other lower castes and most part of the article consists of domination of reddy community. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prameeth (talk • contribs) 15:01, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Origin

Dear Ramanapradeep, You have deleted large amount of material from "Origin" and pased material from websites. This against Wiki policy. You must discuus the changes first before deleting large portions.Kumarrao (talk) 07:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Input

Please discuss before making large amounts of input. It is important to keep the article brief, focused and written with clarity. Can we move 'Notable Reddys' to a separate article? Kumarrao (talk) 07:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello Kumarrao. You have been doing excellent work with the article. I wouldn't say that "notable Reddys" are worth their own article, however. In my view it would be better to trim the list still further. Thanks. Itsmejudith (talk) 08:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article should n't be a caste article RATHER it should a title article like NAIDU, RAO ,NAYAK etc

Reddy is a title and NOT a caste ...so this article needs to re written similar to that ' Naidu' article...Reddy title is used by almost all the major agrarian castes in AP.Even some SC and ST castes too use it e.x Minister Geeta Reddy is an SC...and some Relli caste (SC) people have Relli Reddy section in them and frequently use the title too especailly in Vizag....There are about 60 subcastes in Reddy itself shows that we cannot call it a caste !!!!....if they have some significant population of about 30% or more then may be we can consider it as a caste BUT by just having about 10% (even less)population with 60 + subcastes seems to be really FUNNY to treat them as a separate caste....Even though they started intermarring with eachother due to lack of knowledge of their roots or due to political and economical reasons...It would be appropriate for the Reddies to write article under they sub caste names Like Oruganti,Motati,Kapu Reddy,Gudati,Christian Reddy etc and NOT combine everythin under Reddy title article.... John Rambo 03:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC) John Rambo

I am not an expert on the topic of caste, but is it not the case that 'caste' a simplified European projection of a much more complex system consiting of jati, kulam, vamsam and varnam? The generally accepted definition of 'caste' is that it denotes hereditary, endogamous communities. By this definition, Reddys today form a caste. On the other hand, it is unlikely that anybody would claim that Reddys form a jati. But, they would accept the label kulam. So, the difference seems to be in how people interpret the word 'caste'. While I agree that 'Reddy' probably started out being a title, it represents a caste now (in the precise sense that I mentioned above). Reddyuday (talk) 08:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Editing

The article is slowly gaining a final shape. I invite conributors to provide citations wherever possible. I stll feel 'famous Reddys' can be moved to a separate article.

Dear Rambo,

As I edited the article earlier, Reddys were Kapus till recently. Due to reasons of common usage, acceptance and political and historical reasons, a separate social group (caste) has come into existance in recent years. One has to recognize the facts.Kumarrao (talk) 13:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request

The article is polished. Any major changes may be first discussed on Talk page. Additional inputs with proper citations are welcome.Kumarrao (talk) 07:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rathi

I removed the silly reference to 'Rathi' meaning charioteers (should have been chariot-mounted warriors, really), it was clearly a confusion based on the English transcription of two different Indian words. The community is called RaaThi, whereas a chariot is a ratha. Really. How ridiculous can people get?

If somebody wants to make claims about RaaThis, please do so in the article on them.Reddyuday (talk) 08:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed unwanted sections

Removed the musunuri part as there is no reference of reddy anywhere may be its just mentioned with out any motive... Also edited some sentences regrding usage of Reddy title by communities John Rambo 04:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Confusion

How are the Reddys Kshatriyas and the Kammas Sudras, everything I read suggests that these two castes are either kshatriyas or sudras. I think both are kshatriyas. Anybody confirm this? Giantsrule (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 21:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chaos

The article has returned to its original chaotic state. Users must discuss in Talk page before making significant edits.Kumarrao (talk) 11:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ****Reddy is Kshatriya and Shudra****

I am writing my openion based on the rsearch on previous history and my analysis: Kshatriya means ruling people, only one king could be ruled, what about other population of kshatriyas? they would be do other works i.e all are not ruling likewise all reddys have not ruled. Some reddys have rulled in some areas and some were migrated to other areas where they were doing agriculture and could be treating as Shudra. Here my intension is that some reddys have rulled in some areas thats they got Kshatriya status and in some areas they have done agriculture thts why they were treated as shudras. My conclusion is that reddy is kshatriya and shudra based on the pofession he is doing. Even brahmin also if anybody is able to achieve that profession he would be barahmin. Ofcourse in the history brahmin, vaishya professions are not affected by others but kshatriya profession is affected by Shudras. If shudras are strong enough to rule that area he would be kshatriya. All these four professions are not reserved. Any one can wear any cap but brahmins and vaishyas were not allowed to wear their cap ofcourse now a days that is also possible.--Snreddy (talk) 12:48, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Addition to the "Academia and Science"

Dr. (Prof.) Belum Siva Nagi Reddy - Dermatologist

Dr. Yaga Venugopal Reddy - Governor of the Reserve Bank of India (2003 - present) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drviswanathreddy (talk • contribs) 19:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Addition of new heading "Miscellaneous"

Mr.G.V.Krishna Reddy - Chairman, GVK Industries Ltd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drviswanathreddy (talk • contribs) 19:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rewriting

I have edited the article again. Please do not change it. Discuss in the talk page first.Kumarrao (talk) 08:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

First of all, may I know have u kept Shudra as classification for Reddy?. If it is, why did u change to some other now after adding kshatriya? Reddy has got Kshatriya status, I think u know very well about reddy dynasty. Why are u changing to some others? I may accept all other classifications u r adding, u should add kshatriya also along with other classifications. I have already written my openion on varnas. They are not reserved for any one. Reddy is kshatriya, shudra, warrior and some other, it is based on the profession he was doing in that area. In some areas reddy was king, ruled that area, in some areas he was shudra, he had done farming, in some areas he was warrior, he was in army like that. My conclusion is that reddy had so many caps like king, shudra, warrior and etc. Thatswhy u should keep all the statuses. At last I am asking u one thing that if any one is telling that reddy is king, why are u talking against to that? if u don't like reddy I don't bother but the history should be known to the world. I don't have proof that reddy is basically king, but I have proof that reddy is king as well as other statuses mentioned above. I think u will understand what I supposed to convey the message. Please add classification as reddy is kshatriya, shudra, warriors and etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snreddy (talk • contribs) 12:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Dear Mr Reddy, Please read the article carefully. There was no community by name 'Reddy' till recently. A section of Kapus with exalted status of village chieftains ultimately came to be known as 'Reddys'. Kapus are basically farmers. They took to arms whenever the situation demanded and hence termed 'warriors'. Strictly speaking all agrarian communties of AP are Shudras. They were called 'Shatsudra's in Telugu literature.Kumarrao (talk) 06:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

== My Dear Kumarrao, u r telling that there is no caste 'reddy' and some kapus have taken reddy as title for various reasons recently. Here recently means 20 years ago?, or 100 years ago?. According to the history reddy name and kingdoms are mentioned in the 12 -14 th centuries. It means nearly 700-800 years before reddy name is there in the history. U r telling that recently some kapu people have taken title 'reddy' for political or some other reasons. How man?. I am also giving another explanation kapu is using the word for reddy in some areas like royalaseema and some parts of coastal andhra, where as in telangana u never see the word kapu for reddy and u will see the word patel, desmukh etc for reddy. What I want to say to u is that reddy is may be kapu in some areas, may not be kapu in some areas.But here reddy has become king in the history and ruled the area more than 100 years. It means reddy is may be Shatsudra basically but he obtained kshatriya status in the history. Then u have to mention that reddy is Satshudra as well as Kshatriya. Another explanation is all reddys in AP are having same similarity like gothram and subcaste where as for other castes u will not find the same. I have read that u have written that kapu,kamma,velama,reddy all are kapu community basically, but if u observe clearly the above mentioned castes kapu,kamma,velama all r having some similarities in the surname or gothram but there is no similarity with reddy. But u may find a liitle bit similarity like some castes r having reddy in their surname or normal name. Here we have to take consideration of majority in the similarity and not a samll thing.

Another strong explanation from my side regarding history(literature). Most of the telugu literature was written by brahmins and they never support to non brahmin. I am giving one example that we are seeing vemana is how much great poet he is. We are unable to see vemana's greatness before CP Brown why because brahmins have not accepted non brahmins greatness. His talent and greatness was hiden and not explored to the world.

Like wise other example is Uyyalawada Narasimha Reddy, he is the first leader in AP opposed and fought with Britishers before Alluri Seetharama raju but if u refer any history books alluri seetharamaraju is the first leader and given importance to him in the history. Why? this is also one partialism. Then how r u telling that literature written by some one is correct?

I have read ur article but it should be corrected regarding kapu beacuse u have mentioned that some kapus have taken reddy title recently. Reddy title itself found in the history 800 years before but u r saying that recently. I think u simply try to put reddys along with others like kapu, kamma, velama etc in the same row, no problem but here also reddys are having strong and good history that should be known to the world.

Can u tell me , do have any idea regarding - What is the meaning of Reddy and how the title is generated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snreddy (talk • contribs) 09:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Dear Mr Reddy, Let not the emotions cloud the reason. You are mixing up the title "Reddy" with the name of a community. Reddy title is undoubtedly 1000 years old. Remember, it was only a title. The Velama clan originated from a person named Betaala Reddy (Velogotivaari Vamsaavali). Similarly, the title was used by Addanki and Rajahmundry kings who belonged to Chaturtha Varna and Panta Vamsa. That is what was written in their inscriptions. Nowhere'Reddy' was mentioned either as a 'Vamsam' or 'Kulam' or 'Varnam'. Vemana wrote in a poem that he brought glory to Kaapu Kulam. Krishnadevaraaya wrote in his Amuktamaalyada that when his army marched through the fields Kaapus felt sad at looking at the damaged crops. Obviously these were Kaapus of Raayalaseema. Many surnames of Godavari Kaapus and Kammas have 'reddy' as suffix. Yadavas in some parts of AP use 'Reddy' title. What did all this tell you? Please think. I have no comments about Uyyalavada and Alluri. Kumarrao (talk) 12:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

== My Dear Kumarrao, What u told is may be correct, reddy is the title its not a community but it has become community in the modern history thats why I am having reddy caste in my school TC. Being a reddy I dodn't want kshatriya status for reddy by arguement or discussion. I have seen in so many cases and incidents, people will get help from reddy but he will not praise reddy, likewise kapu-reddy(for ur reference) has history but no poet has written in a great manner that is the problem. See recent history also reddy has done so many good things to AP but importance is given to some one who has done a small thing. This is purely biased and partialism. Am I correct in this one? My emotions are that recent or past history is biased in many ways and actual history and facts were hiden due to partialism.

See the First Reference for Reddy article named 'Livelyhood Options' written by prof P venkateswarlu, if u see the castes glory, he has written reddy is untouchable caste. If u see other paper written by Suri some thing he has given more importance and more no of pages to TDP history rather than congress for AP. If we refer these type of papers for history shall we get actual history and facts. My emotions are for this type of biased history, I think u can understand my feelings —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snreddy (talk • contribs) 04:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Aryan / Dravidian Myth

Folks,

There have been numerous topics here on to determine each in their own right about whether the Reddy's descended from Aryan / Dravidian forefathers.

Important point to consider here would be that the whole premise on which it is based i.e the Aryan Invasion is itself in question (and rightly so). Researchers have amongst many varied aspects have studied on the Vedic civilization, the Vedas and the seals and murals found during this period. The conclusive evidence to these new research deems that the Aryan Invasion into the Vedic / Saraswathi Valley civilization only was a theory. This theory purported to the fancied & maliciousinterests of the EastIndia Company at the time it was devised and helped divide the population in turn helping them gain currency on their colonization of our country.

It was also alien to the belief of the westerners that there existed a great, innovative civilization with a culture far superior to their imagination at the time much before the Christ era.

Am providing a few online sources here:

http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/vedic-upanisads/aryan-invasion.html

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/death_of_the_aryan_invasion_theory.htm

Would like to hear objective comments on this.This has been posted here due to various folks arguing about the fact that Reddy's lineage traces back to the Aryans / Dravidians based on skin colour et all.

ThanksAjayreddyp (talk) 12:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Reddys

Can a separate aricle "Notable Reddys be created?Kumarrao (talk) 10:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

The Reddy article is edited to make it brief and crisp. A separate artcle Notable Reddys is created. Users may include names of only the most prominent persons and crate new articles on their names. Discuss on talk page to make significant edits. Unexplained edits will be reverted.Kumarrao (talk) 08:00, 11 May 2008 (UTC)