Talk:Red Warrior

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[edit] Degree Mill

This is an unverified statement, so I'm taking it out. The bit about it not being respected among the martial arts community as well, the last sentence of the first paragraph well establishes that there's a controversy about the authenticity of the style. Someone should find a source for that, as well.--Caliburnis (talk) 14:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Their was a source you deleted it, it's back now. --Nate1481(t/c) 16:22, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe comments on a forum count as a source. I could find any number of forum pages which have people proclaiming Chi and Ki powers are in fact real, despite no evidence suggesting such a thing. I'll review the Wiki rules.--Caliburnis (talk) 10:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I'm back. Read this from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources;

A self-published source is material that has been published by the author, or whose publisher is a vanity press, a web-hosting service, or other organization that provides little or no editorial oversight. Personal websites and messages either on USENET or on Internet bulletin boards are considered self-published. With self-published sources, no one stands between the author and publication; the material may not be subject to any form of fact-checking, legal scrutiny, or peer review. Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published and then claim to be an expert in a certain field; visiting a stranger's personal website is often the online equivalent of reading an unattributed flyer on a lamp post. For that reason, self-published material is largely unacceptable.

If you can find those same points being mentioned in a proper source, then I believe it'll be acceptable, until then, I'm taking it down.--Caliburnis (talk) 11:00, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

My apologies, I hadn't realised it was a forum, I have re-phrased it accordingly and added some additional sourcing, while still forum based it I have worded it to state that opinions have been expressed. --Nate1481(t/c) 12:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sort of uncool

I'm taking out the "full blood" bit because that's really, really offensive.

[edit] This isn't the BBB

If you have problems about this man it should be taken up with him or The BBB but do not edit the page thinking that you are somehow getting a one up on him. Don't bring your personal vendettas to wikipedia.

Both of those avenues have been taken...just trying to get the message out. This is a form of advertising for him, why can't i use the same forum to get the truth about him out? If he didn't want information about him on Wikipedia...then he should not have made this wiki. I am not a former student, I am a Kenpo Karate Instructor who knows of him and his type. I simply purchased his crap DVD set. I am simply tired of people like Roman who take advantage of people by destroying something I hold dear.

[edit] This isn't a forum for your personal opinions

Once again your opinion is not fact or NPOV. I'm placing a warning on your page.

To claim that there was a native american martial art is a lie. There is no Native American Martial arts style. I am pointing out facts.

I read the wikipedia rules and I can post disagreements.

[edit] Why doesn't my material matter?

I simply presented my point of view, with a couple of links of people who share my view. Why does the content I post keep getting deleted.

[edit] Quit Changing the Posting.

There is nothing wrong with what is being posted. So quit changing it. If you disagree post your ideas as well quit deleting my work.

[edit] Because you need to READ THE RULES

Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents/Policies_and_guidelines AND ALSO THIS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view this isn't a forum.

[edit] Wikipedia is a collection of ideals

I am just putting my ideals about this topic on the wiki, there is nothing wrong with what i am doing. Please stop removing my thoughts.

[edit] a look at your ideas

"This style is nothing more than a money making scam. Costing thousands of dollars for nothing more than made up claims of an imaginary combat system supposedly used by Native American Indians." If your want to have your ideas posted then lets take a look at them. Your saying that this is a scam because you have to pay thousands of dollars. It can not be a scam if the price of the class is clearly marked on the webpage. Now does it cost too much money? Yes but there is no malicious intent and second learning any physical activity by distance is never as good as in person.


There never has been and still is no Native American Martial Art. The Native Americans were skilled with the weapon they used, and one could assume that they had knowlege of deadly striking techniques, but the only stylized fighting was a form of ritualized wrestling. Now lets examine this closely, you say that Native Americans were skilled in weapons but had no marital art? You must realize that you have contradicted yourself in less than two sentences. Maritial arts implies that they was training, techniques, and a system to support this learning. Native American had all of these and moreincluding a defined warrior class. Now if you mean that there is no modern Native American maritial arts then you are partly correct. Much was lost due to the outright genocide of native americans.However the same can be said about severeal european martial arts aswell the rest of the world. Because you have not heard of any does NOT mean they do not exist. ie tomohawk. If you are going to keep this opinion then you need to cite PRIMARY research not forums.

[edit] Thank you for your comments...

I understand the position of the dispute and will provide more creditials to the article post. However, this should be applied to the current posting as well, all of the links provided are created by the founder of the sytle....is that unbiased? Once again thank you for you comments and clearing up what needs to be done.

I will clear up one thing...I was trying to state that there are no formal Native American Fighting Arts, the use of weapons in itself is a Martial Art, but to claim they had a stylized fighting (such as the Eastern Cultures) is misleading.

[edit] No fighting "style"

The Native Americans did not have a systematic "style" of fighting with a special name, like the Chinese and Japanese, etc. do. Their fighting methods were probably referred to as "fighting". Training for warfare was a large part of their lives, and they gained skill through practice and experience. They valued efficient tactics and had no need to look graceful or like a type of animal (people cannot move like cranes or tigers) while fighting. Please drop this topic. I am tired of people searching for some non-existant red-fu or something.Wooden Bear 16:34, 9 December 2006 (UTC)Wooden Bear