Talk:Red Eye w/ Greg Gutfeld

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While I agree with your sentiment, please note that putting such a message here doesn't accomplish much. I suggest sending it to Fox News' comments email account; maybe with enough emails you can change Roger's mind. Talk pages like this are just for discussing edits on the article, not the subject itself. Good luck! Buspar 00:47, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Although it doesn't effect me in Australia, I too am affraid that they might cancel it, but it does have support within FNC, Julie B, Courtney, etc like it and contribute to it's struvture and content, but also I've heard that Niel cavuto likes the show too. Theres a petition up to move it, maybe it should be mentioned, http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/save-red-eye-w-greg-gutfeld SAH-DennyCrane 13:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] "Unexplained repeats"

Someone posted about the unexplained repeats from 8/13 - 8/17. Turns out, according to Greg's blog, he's on vacation. Buspar 05:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable guests

I think it'd be better to have it as Regular guests and then for Notable guests. The only reason I say that is because there are several people who appear on the show every week or every other week. Fisha695 07:18, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

The reason I made it "notable" is in keeping with some other shows that mention notable guests in their articles. You could make it "Regular and Notable Guests" and include both. Buspar 07:04, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's entirely helpful to list so many people in this section. It's starting to turn into a list that will quickly become unwieldy. Honestly, I think the whole section should be deleted unless some particular guest appearance was noteworthy in and of itself. CarbonX 07:23, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

There should be a list of regular guests, because that's worth noting. There should not be a list of important guests who have only been on the show once, or a handful of times, because that's not worth noting. The list of regular guests should be titled "Regular guests" rather than "Notable guests" because that's what it is, and not what it's not. - Shaheenjim (talk) 23:12, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
The problem with the list, as it currently exists, is that it appears to violate wp:nor and wp:v. If you watch the show and see a guest on the program, you adding their name to the list here seems to me to be original research. Also, none of the additions appears to be cited, and are therefore not verifiable. The reason I had been reluctant in the past to simply delete the list is that obviously a lot of people put work into the article and I'm not really sure what the "appropraite" way to handle this type of information is. At any rate, I think it would be helpful if people would stop removing and readding the section for the time being, and discuss here until there's some sort of clear consensus. I'm going to see if I can find an appropriate tag for the secion in the meantime. CarbonX (talk) 15:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. It's also ironic that this section is "Notable guests" but several of the people in the list don't even have articles! How notable could they be? —Wknight94 (talk) 16:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The source of the information is the show itself. That's how it's verifiable. It's also why it's not original research, since the people in charge of the show are the ones who originally did the painstaking research necessary to determine who was on the show. - Shaheenjim (talk) 00:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I think maybe you're looking at this the wrong way. Noone is saying that what is in that section is untrue, simply that it is not appropriate for wikipedia. I'd strongly suggest you read wp:notability. And if you feel that this information is still appropriate, you'll also want to read wp:v. Or at the very least point out some policy or guideline on wikipedia that supports the inclustion of that section. CarbonX (talk) 02:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
The notability guidelines are for articles. They aren't for each individual line in an article. If we're going to have an article about a TV show, then obviously the people who are on the show are notable. As for verifiability, the source is the show itself. That is as good a source as you could possibly get for information on the show. - Shaheenjim (talk) 09:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Your "If we're going to have an article about a TV show, then obviously the people who are on the show are notable" is a fallacy. NBC News is notable too, does that mean every eyewitness on the street for every news piece on the program is also notable? Show me the policy/guideline that backs you up. As for verifiability, how do we know the list you've compiled is correct? There's nothing in print to back it up, is there? Pardon me if I don't trust your individual recordkeeping. —Wknight94 (talk) 13:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm not suggesting we mention everyone who was on the show for a few seconds. I'm suggesting we add everyone who is regularly on the show for a significant period of time. This page is the Wikipedia policy supplement that backs me up. And as for verifiability, you know the list is correct from watching the show. - Shaheenjim (talk) 06:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but you're simply mistaken on the standard of verifiability for wikipedia. You or someone else needs to add links to the article to verify the contentw of the list or it is not verifiable and therefore needs to be deleted. CarbonX (talk) 09:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Not only is your list unverifiable, but your definition of "regular" and your standard for "several" are both your own. At the very least, you'd need consensus for them and you clearly don't have that here. —Wknight94 (talk) 15:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
To CarbonX: Links? As in links to a website? Are you implying that things are only valid if they're found on the internet, rather than TV? That's absurd. There are lots of things that aren't eligible to be republished on the internet, due to copyrights. I don't know why you guys are having such a problem with verifying things by watching the show. Is your TV broken?
To Wknight94: I'm not sure what you're attempting to say here. Are you saying that you know what the word "several" means, but you haven't watched the show enough to determine whether or not Kerry Howley, for example, has been on the show several times? If that's the case, then it's fine if you haven't watched the show, but you shouldn't be editing the work of people who have watched the show. Or are you saying that you know what the word "several" means, and you've watched the show, but you think Kerry Howley hasn't been on the show several times? If that's the case, then you're just plainly wrong. Or are you saying that you don't know what the word "several" means? If that's the case, then you may be beyond my help. - Shaheenjim (talk) 07:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
"Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." Wikipedia content should be verifiable by someone who was no knowledge of the subject. So yeah, my TV is broken. To satisfy the standards of wikipedia you know need to provide me with verification that those people were on the show. Honestly, at this point, I seriously doubt your sincerity. CarbonX (talk) 16:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
What's your point here? Are you suggesting that there aren't any sources that can verify the regular guests? Because clearly the show itself can. If someone who has no knowledge of the subject wanted to verify the regular guests, they could do that by starting to watch the show. That's not an unreasonable standard for someone who would presume to edit an article on the show. Or is your point that the show isn't a reliable source for information on itself? It's true that for a lot of subjects, scientific journals are better sources than TV shows. But I think a TV show is a sufficiently reliable source for information on itself. I refer you again to this Wikipedia policy supplement. - Shaheenjim (talk) 08:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
But the show hasn't published a list of its guests. You have. If the show did so, it would be reliable. Since it doesn't (presumably), we have to trust you, and that's the definition of original research. —Wknight94 (talk) 13:35, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
I dug around and found this template. I think if you wanted to use that for every person that add back to the page, that would meet the citing standard. But you can't simply put up a big list and expect people to take your word for it. CarbonX (talk) 21:45, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
If people don't take my word for it, they could always watch the show themselves. But since you aren't willing to do that, I found dates for several of the regular guests on YouTube. I'll try to fill in dates for the rest as they appear on the show over the next few weeks. - Shaheenjim (talk) 07:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
As I alluded to above, maybe you're unclear on the definition of "several". "Several" means more than twice[1] but all of the entries you gave have exactly two listings. This list has really made quite a mess of this article. I'm surprised you want to keep it. —Wknight94 (talk) 14:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It should be noted that The O'Reilly Factor page also has a Regular guests section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.64.213 (talk) 08:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Not anymore. —Wknight94 (talk) 12:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Greg Gutfeld just referred to Greg Wilson as a "Red Eye regular." So even if I didn't have common sense, I'd say that establishes that the people who are on the show often, like Greg Wilson, could be considered regulars. - Shaheenjim (talk) 08:26, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Schedule

This excerpt from the article:

New episodes generally air Tuesdays through Saturdays, with Sunday and Monday episodes being repeats from earlier in the week. An exception is made if the show is pre-empted during the week, in which case the unaired episode will be shown on the weekend. As of October 18, 2007, this has only occurred three times. As of October 20, 2007, the show stopped being replayed on the weekends. However, as of October 27, 2007, a new show airs on Saturdays at 11:00 p.m ET this was changed to 10:00 p.m ET with it being replayed on Sundays and Mondays 2:00 a.m ET. Reruns are played on Friday mornings 3:00 a.m ET.

is semi-incoherent. Would someone please rephrase it? - Shaheenjim (talk) 23:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Its actually totally incoherent babbling. who cares if an exception is made if it preempted or how many times its happened..all too much info and none of it sourced.. its fine the way it is now that I changed it. If you want to add when reruns air..cool, source it and do so in a readable manner. the way it is sourced now is how the network advertises it. 3AM weekdays.. we don't need to overload the reader with.. it was this before october but know its this unless this happens then its this,except of course when he goes on vacation. which he done only x amount of times.. but if he comes back early they will do this except the one time they did this.. but its likely due to other fox shows that they will do this...and if he has to by chance leave early because of a tummy ache they will do this.... The networks own description sums it up enough.. concise.. -24.60.24.39 (talk) 04:32, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notable Wikipedia

The template that added to this talk page referred to Will Leitch, whose name has since been removed from the article. Should it remain, or was he not covered extensively enough within the article to warrant the template in the first place? --Savethemooses (talk) 06:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guest list disguising apparent Googlewashing

I see the issue of the huge guest list has been discussed above and yet the list still remains. It strikes me as political Googlewashing to me. As was mentioned here at WP:AN the other day, there are hundreds of spurious links into various political candidates' pages with little apparent purpose other than to increase the candidates' Google rankings. —Wknight94 (talk) 18:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow why are google ranking so important? If I want to find something on Wikipedia all I have to do is type Wiki after whatever I am searching for. So as I understand if you deleted the list for the simple reason that you did not like the fact that when you typed in their names in google their wiki came up? Seriously dude get a life if people are looking for info on somebody 99% of the time they search wikipedia for it, if they are not looking for info on somebody and that person pops up on google, then they'll just move on past it. As much as i love the internet, I loved life before it more for the simple fact that people didn't have to come up with fake stuff to cry about. Just my 2¢ on this topicFisha695 (talk) 08:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

First, be nice. Second, this is an election year so things like Google ranking are the most important things in the world to certain people. If you bothered to read that archived WP:AN discussion or the article on Googlewashing (which I gather you didn't), you'll see that we're being infiltrated by sneaky people quietly trying to get their candidates above the others in the Google rankings by linking to their Wikipedia articles wherever they can, whether the links are appropriate or not. They do that by creating giant name-dropping laundry lists like the one that was in this article. —Wknight94 (talk) 12:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

-- If people vote for somebody because of where they come up in an internet search, then those people have more problems then just being stupid IMO Fisha695 (talk) 08:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

That's neither here nor there. It's still a common practice - especially here. —Wknight94 (talk) 16:26, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Michelle Collins

The Michelle Collins linked to is not the same one who appears on the show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.243.43.68 (talk) 19:04, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Conservative

Since Fox news is directed at a conservative audience doesnt this programe clash with their usual image. Should get a mention. --Realist2 ('Come Speak To Me') 07:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

The political views of the main people on the show are usually conservative. So in that sense it's a fit. But I agree that it doesn't really fit with a serious news channel in general. Not that I'm complaining.
Also, I suppose it's worth noting that Fox probably wouldn't officially describe itself as conservative. They always say they're fair and balanced. But I don't think they're fooling anyone. - Shaheenjim (talk) 13:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Recently they seem to be admitting it, well, at least their admitting that most of their viewers are moderate to conservative. Realist2 ('Come Speak To Me') 16:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I think you guys are confusing their news block with their opinion block; their opinion blocks may lean center-right, but their News block is quite centrist. Red-Eye is clearly directed at a more Libertarian Conservative audience. Travis T. Cleveland (talk) 23:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I think they're aimed at more of a just-plain-bizarre audience. That's probably why I like it. :-) - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 00:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)