Talk:Red (album)
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"Red, was composed by Robert Fripp alongside a contrasting piece, Blue. Blue has never been recorded."
I can't find any information on this - can someone find something to back it up? Crtrue
[edit] Cobain quote
Can anybody reference it? evktalo 18:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
- "Kurt Cobain told a French magazine in 1993 that Red had influenced the recording of Nirvana's In Utero (1993), particularly the distortion sounds and recording dynamics that were finally used." --66.106.60.11 16:02, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
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- He has also been quoted as saying that Red is the best album of all time, apparently. It could well be true; just needs a reference. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HisSpaceResearch (talk • contribs) 22:41, 3 December 2006 (UTC).
This might the needed reference: it's an interview of Bill Bruford by a French website that specializes on metal and progressive rock. In the second-to-last question, the interviewer asks how Bruford feels about King Crimson's Red. Bruford replies:
"A very strong record, still good. I liked it a lot. This record influenced many other bands. King Crimson has always had more influence than its sales numbers would make you think. King Crimson isn't the kind of band that has commercial success, but we can boast of having created many vocations. Nirvana's Kurt Cobain always admired King Crimson and particularly Red. For my part, I also like this record very much because it's full of life, but it was a very difficult record to make."
(The translation is my own and is quite poor! Feel free to improve on it. The highlighting in italics is also my own) Pierremeg 18:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, classic Bill Bruford. He was born 18 years before Kurt and he's still living today... that's what I find ironic. Anyway, I don't speak French so maybe we could use BabelFish or something to translate this?--HisSpaceResearch 01:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
- I do speak French and that's a fair translation, in my opinion.
[edit] 'dem Changes
I brought back some stuff about the production style from a previous version, still without a reference. I know both Fripp and Bruford consider Red's production a step forward. Fripp talks about it in the notes for The Night Watch live disc, and somewhere in the endless text on the Deja Vroom DVD, but I don't have either of these at the moment. I don't remember where I heard Bruford say it- he gives a lot of interviews for a Crimsoner.
I removed the bit about Christgau for two reasons. First off, Christgau is a terrible source of insight into progressive rock. He hated it in general, and if you read his review for Red in particular, he likes the album for the most superficial reasons. Praising King Crimson for appeasing Christgau is like praising Allende for being Kissinger's favorite communist. If that strikes you as too subjective, consider what makes Christgau's praise notable. What we would like to establish is that Red is an especially well-regarded album. That Christgau gave it a good, but not great, grade shows that one (prominent) critic thought Red was okay, not that anybody thinks it is outstanding. Christgau's views would be fair to include in a broader discussion of Crimson's critical reception, but here I don't think it adds anything. No hard feelings, though- I do think it is an interesting trivium. Nigel Napalm 13:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
