Talk:Reclaimer (Halo)

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Two things: "...by destroying all organic life..." Is incorrect, the ring only targets (as 343 himself says) all -sentient- life with a biomass sufficient enough to sustain the flood.

And finally: "343 Guilty Spark incorrectly assumed, for unknown reasons, that the Earth soldier Master Chief was a Reclaimer." Also incorrect, with the release of Halo 2 and the events that has transpired it is now painfully clear that only humans can be reclaimers and that only we can activate Halo's core with the index (and stop the firing). From the story line it is possible that we are the descendants of the original forerunners who escaped/activated the original purge in the "ark" mentioned at the end of Halo 2. -- Cadogan

Should this be "Reclaimer (Halo)"? --OGoncho 04:21, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Marine "Reclaimer" 2 Rank 3 ? 4 last paragraph 5 Original research 6 Genes 7 what is with this page?

[edit] Marine "Reclaimer"

Hay remember at all times that in Halo 1 343 also tried to get a OSTD to do the dirty work of getting the index. 343 called him a "Reclaimer" too so its not just genes or armor or specifics that made Spark call the MC a "Reclaimer" it must be more general. Personally i think all humans a "reclaimers" but that is opinion not fact.

It is possible that humans are the Forerunners, but there is no proof available to the general public. If you want, you could email the project lead of Halo and ask them about it. If you get any real information, post it here.

[edit] Rank

"...the Earth soldier Master Chief..." Master Chief is a rank, shouldn't it be Spartan-117, or something? --OGoncho 04:25, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

True, Master Chief Petty Officer is a rank. But Spartan-117 is harder to say, so I just go with "the Master Chief"

[edit]  ?

"...and the fact that the Covenant have not asked humanity to join them..." how does that support the theory that Humans are related to the Forerunners?--Moosh88 07:27, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

I think that the assumption here is that they haven't asked us to join them because we are already members. My theory is that time travel is involved, and that Master Chief in some future game travels back in time to activate Halo, and the story comes full circle. --209.203.86.251 21:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC) (Chris Preston)

I think that the reason that the Covenant have not asked Earth to join them is -logically- that they first have to conquer Humanity first, and then ask. (Naturally, when all traces of human resistance is eliminated, then the Covenant can enslave humanity.) It is how all races became a part of the Covenant to begin with (i.e. the Hunter's race).

Not true. In Conversations of/with the Universe, it shows two Elites speculating at why the Prophets haven't given humanity the option. The other races except the Elites, who, with the Prophets, formed the Covenant. One notable example is how the Hunters had every one of their worlds glassed. With domination iminent, the Prophets offered the Hunters a place in the Covenant, which they accepted. Hence, "No races were enslaved in the making of this interstellar empire."

[edit] last paragraph

the final paragraph of this page seems a bit sloppy and off topic. I edited it already for gramamar (and improper formatting of book titles) and whatnot. Anyone want to take a look at somehow tie it into the actual page it's on. Right now it seems to only discuss the Forerunners and not the Reclaimers (It isn't not ever stated that a Reclaimer is a forerunner)

Another possibility is that the Forerunners interbred with humans passing on their genes. Master Chief, Johnson, Mobuto, and Commander Keyes would then be genetic descendants of the Forerunners. This is also supported by 343 Guilty Spark's reactions to Master Chief in Halo: Combat Evolved, where he assumes that Master Chief understands everything that has happened on Halo. In the book The Flood, he also states that the Master Chief is the one who activated Halo the first time, "Why do you hesitate to do what you've already done?" This could mean that Master Chief's ancestor was the Forerunner that activated Halo. Also supporting this theory is that in the book The Fall Of Reach, Dr. Halsey chose candidates for the Spartan program based on certain genes they carried. It is possible that those genes are those of the Forerunners. As with everything, this is highly spectlative.

I think that this is all wrong. Rather than an "ancestor" of MC activating Halo for the first time, it is perfectly logical to assume that 343 GS is just mistaking MC for a completly different person, or thing. Judging by the context of the quote, it can be interpreted that 343 GS just got confused, and assumed that MC looked alot like, or had the same type of technology and outward appearance as this other person, or thing.

That has nothing to do with the argument that the Reclaimers, Humans, and Forerunners are related. It should be deleted. Besides, wikipedia is supposed to be a factual database, not a pit of speculation. Take that stuff to the forums.

[edit] Original research

A lot of the claims made in this article are entirely speculative and unsourced, so I've tagged the article. However, I haven't read the book, so I'm unfamiliar with the material. --Wafulz 03:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about that because it is not entirely certain whether or not the Novels are actually canon or not. Many fictional works/novelizations can be interpreted as not canon to the actually established universe (i.e. Star Trek novelizations). -- Dark Observer 23:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

No, the books are considered canon. Of they weren't, the books probably wouldn't have the Bungie logo on the back.

[edit] Genes

"Dr. Halsey chose candidates for the Spartan program based on certain genes they carried. It is possible that those genes are those of the Forerunners. As with everything, this is highly speculative.

   * However, the act of having "already done" could be interpreted as simply retrieving the index. Also, Dr. Halsey had no knowledge of the Forerunner's existence (but she could have inadvertently selected Forerunner-descendants based purely on their superior genes.)

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In the book Ghosts of Onyx, it's stated she chose canidates with certain gens for the Spartan's augmentations. Also related, a sentinal on Onyx refers to another Saprtan as a reclaimer(only to take it back when the Spartan is confused by being called a reclaimer).

I don't think that the Forerunners should be listed as "superior" or "more advanced." Species can be better suited to an environment, but they can't be more advanced. There is no genetic or biological hierarchy of species.

[edit] what is with this page?

please adhere to wikipedia's policies.

for instance, the bold faced text is unnecessary, there is lots of changes in tone, and its all very poorly written

i say this article needs to be cleaned up, and put proper

I think that this article should be more factual, sporting more excerpts from the books and games and less outright speculation.