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[edit] Shadowboxing
That page claims that reasoning must be either deduction or induction, which I think is unjustifiable.
- since there is already a page dedicated to logical reasoning which actually divides up reasoning into the three classical ways in/de/abductive this is clearly a good candidate for a disambiguation page with links to both objective/logical r. and subjective r.. comments? -- Kku 22:31, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Would anyone write please something about the psychological/logical meaning of Shadowboxing? (Refuting something which sounds like the other has said but is not actually that.) -- Adam78 22:44, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Lotta pages talking about the same things
Maybe some merging would be in order ? We have :
- Reasoning
- Logical reasoning
- Deductive reasoning
- Inductive reasoning
- Abductive reasoning
- Defeasible reasoning
- Retroductive reasoning (a redirect)
- Dialectical reasoning (also a redirect)
How do all those ideas interrelate ? Is defeasilble reasoning the same as abductive reasoning, or as retroductive reasoning ? If not, how can we make the differences clearer ? Flammifer 18:17, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
I just added a bit to the Reasoning article, creating some consistency between Reasoning and Reason. I'd like to expand on, and go into more detail, the idea of reasoning as a creative function of the soul. As for merging, my suggestion is... Reasoning is fine Logical reasoning should be merged into reasoning, what little it adds could easily be incorporated into the Reasoning article; But a link to reasoning should be added to the Logic article. Inductive reasoning is named Induction, and is a nice expansion on the reasoning article and should be left as it is. Perhaps the other methods should be similarly renamed. Daffdaemon 2/20/2006
To the above list, add (at least)
dealing with the same topic(s) -knowledge Newbyguesses 22:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Metaphysical explanation of human reasoning included.
That's all pretty much better than nothing. In reality there are only three areas of reasoning which match the three existing human reasoning capabilities:
- Logical Reasoning
- non-Logical Reasoning (languages, feelings and so on)
- Mathematical Reasoning
"Most of the fundamental ideas of science are essentially simple, and may, as a rule, be expressed in a language comprehensible to everyone. ... Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein
reasoning is the understanding of one bound and forces.
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- Three things you should know about this post. One is that you did not sign it, do so for all future posts, please. See, you could have posted this today or maybe months ago, but I have no way of knowing because you didn't sign it.
The next thing is this random Einstein quote. What relevance does anything pertaining to Einstein hold to a discussion of reasoning? I'm not familiar of the exact context of that quote of yours, and the context of it is not provided (Which, ironically, is a fallacy in and of itself--to provide a quote without providing context is to provide a positive claim on conjecture. Pure conjecture, at that. That is, pure conjecture, as in, expecting the reader to just assume that the context allows the quote to hold relevance without any evidence at all to suggest that.
One explanation (And the one I'd wager on) is that it is a non-sequitur based on Einstein's fame. The non-sequitur being the premise, "Einstein is a smart guy and smart guys make correct statements," and the consequent being "This statement is made by Einstein, and is, therefore, correct." Does not follow. This does not follow. Non-sequitur.
Let's review. Two things that you should know about this post, and should remember to take into account in the future, include... -Sign your posts. -Do not try to use fallacies as arguments, especially not when you're trying to make a claim about reasoning itself. Unless you're trying to be ironic... If that's the case, then you should make the deliberate nature of the irony more apparent, and also keep in mind that although absurdism does not carry the negative connotation that a fallacy does, it still doesn't carry a point.
So, what's the third thing we need to learn from this post? Simple. Don't make positive claims of "fact" when what you're discussing is abstract scientific theory, an abstract concept of philosophy, or, as it is in this case, both.
One last thing of note--your actual post was just... It was just this side of unreadable. I sympathise with you if you're not a native speaker of English, as it is my third language and it took me years of practise to attain fluency. I tried to figure out your meaning and revised it, to make your post easier to understand. If I was mistaken in any of those revisions, then I apologise. 162.40.241.39 15:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Categories
It's not a branch of philosophy. However, it should be under logic. There is a group whose purpose in life is to pare the logic project to nothing. They have removed dozens of articles out from under logic. That's why it's not there. Gregbard 23:38, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Introduction
The introduction claims that all reasoning is used to support already existing beliefs, etc. I am less cynical. I think that at least sometimes, we reason in order to discover the truth, rather than only to justify what we already believe. I'm going to change the intro accordingly, and see what happens. Rick Norwood 20:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
- I disagreed with your change to the intro and reverted it, but I do see your point. The sentence is ambiguous. Something can 'support' another thing by providing reasons for it, rather than being an after the fact attempt to back your position up, and both senses of 'support' were supposed ot be operating here. I will have another go at fixing it. Let me know what you think.
- P.S. Thank you for motivating me to stick some Aristotle into the article. I should definitely not be reading the Prior Analytics at them moment, but what fun! Anarchia 22:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
