Talk:Rear naked choke

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[edit] Existance of Technique

I added a reasonably detailed description of how to perform the RNC. Is this irresponsible?

Why not? An encyclopedic article should be complete. Shawnc 19:05, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Isn't Wikipedia NOT a how to guide? Bihal 14:54, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

So? The type of information in the two can overlap. A description of the RNC helps one understand what it is. Jimmy C. 00:51, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
I think it would be extraordinarily difficult to describe in detail any martial arts maneuver without imparting at least some knowledge toward its utilization. The disclaimer in the article looks out of place but I feel it's necessary. Yes, this discussion is almost a year old... but, uh, sue me. 68.14.76.151 08:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Could you please list your name and address so that I may serve papers? 63.84.231.3 (talk) 22:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Do we really want a pro wrestling picture on this page? While the "sleeper hold" is used in pro wrestling, it tends to give a very deadly move a "fake" image. I think someone should put the picture of the BJJ guy choking the lion. That was at least entertaining. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.183.123.23 (talk) 05:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

It looks fake... the pressure looks like it's on the windpipe, which is not the correct technique. I say change it. hateless 00:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree the image shows improper technique. I looked around for better pictures but didn't find any not copyrighted. I've removed the image since it detracts from the article. Those who disagree may revert the change. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.248.160.193 (talk) 04:38, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Proper Technique

I was taught not to grab my bicep; instead I should curl my hands into fists and but one on top of my bicep, while the other goes behind the head/neck and sissors. Jimmy C. 00:51, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Figure Four Rear Naked Choke

As a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu practitioner, I wish to know how the mata leao uses clothing. I have never had to use an article of clothing in order to use the choke. I even will go so far and say that the choke has a higher chance of failure by grabbing the clothing.

I do not think the choke should be called "Figure Four" version and the other "actual 'Rear Naked Choke' version". This both sounds irresponsible and argumentative. The title of the page is rear naked choke. The headings should be "Figure Four Rear-Naked Choke Variant" and "Clasping-Hands Rear Naked Choke Variant". In addition the "In addition, this choke is often confused with... and figure four choke are still different chokes." should be completely removed. I believe the statement is completely wrong, and whomever wrote the section is attempting to fight an e-warrior battle on wikipedia and flex their intellectual muscle simultaneously, attempting to push their opinion as fact.

Also, there should be a special mention in how the forearm placed into the throat will cause an air choke, and the forearm and bicep placed on the sides of the neck will cause a blood choke. I believe the point is mentioned too casually. -Ninja-Awesome