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    [edit] Improvements that should be made

    copied from Wikipedia:Peer review/Real Madrid


    Madrid Royal Football Club this is what it is known as in England? No it's not. Evidence?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.51.181 (talk) 19:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

    • Needs citations throughout. Until then it's not even B-class. The History section grows increasingly detailed with each successive year, so perhaps a judicious application of summary style would be appropriate. The paragraph that begins "In the summer of 2003..." is far, far, far too long. The "Selected former managers" section appears to include the entire date range, so how is it a "Seletced" list? "Other sport sections" just includes links, so it is unclear what that section is even about. Can't the "Formula One sponsorship" stub be merged into the history? Good luck. — RJH (talk) 19:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
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    [edit] Famous Fans

    Do you think it is possible to put in a section about famous fans? For example, Rafael Nadal? I'm not sure if there are enough famous fans to warrant this, but given the popularity of the team, I'm guessing there has to be.

    Quick google search got me this: http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=441190 Seems like these names could be quickly verified.

    Famous fans sections, verified or otherwise, should not be added to articles as they are particularly unencyclopedic. WATP (talk) • (contribs) 23:09, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Nicknames

    Why is someone deleting the translation of the nicknames? Both here and on the Barca page. This is an english language encyclopaedia. The nickname Merengues would mean nothing to your average English speaker.

    Legendary white strip. . . what does this refer to, exactly?RSido 03:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

    Real Madrid won the European Cup 5 times in a row in the 1950s and dominated their matches to an extent unknown before. As they played in an all-white kit, their playing style was often referred to as "the white ballet", at least in Germany. I suppose that's the legendary white strip reference. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Madcynic (talk • contribs) 12:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

    [edit] Formation View

    I think the picture of the usual formation is a great idea. I think it would be useful to have this kind of team sheet preview on other famous football club articles. Bobbyfletch85 21:39, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] EU Flags

    The EU flags are important in spanish football. As I've explained only three non-eu citizens can be on a pitch at anytime. Teams get around this by claiming passports from EU countries if they -the players- have ancestry from an Eu country or by nationalising a player after five years which is why some Brazilians have spanish flags e.g Roberto Carlos.

    [edit] Adherence to template

    I think this article contains a lot of good information, although perhaps some a bit more relevant than other, in any case, perhaps we should start making an effort to adhere it more closely to the template for football clubs found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Clubs Avrv 17:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Castilla,Basketball team, rumours!

    If there are seperate articles on Castlla and the basketball team there is no need to have their squads and excessive info listed here. Otherwise the pages just become repetitive. Also the proposed line-up needs to go as it is clearly a personnel POV and quickly becomes dated. It is also a waste of space and the consensus from this page seems to agree it should not be here. Plus the page should be factual and should not include gossip and rumours. All this just makes the page look untidy and cluttered Djln--Djln 21:20, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

    [edit] Real Madrid Castilla

    Please remember there is a seperate page for Real Madrid Castilla. If info is included about them here, the page gets too long. Plus is really necessaary to have a Current Squad and Champions League Squad? This basicly the same info entered twice. 03:05, 10 January 2006 (UTC)Djln

    [edit] Lineup charts

    Why is there Chinese writing after some of the names? Why are there EU flags next to some of the national flags? (Isn't this redundant?) Why do some people have two flags? Why do the English players have the English flag instead of the UK flag? Dyfsunctional 02:07, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

    Chinese writing might have resulted from somebody translating article for Chinese Wikipedia see top of page. There has been a long debate about flags here before. EU flags are for non-EU born players who have since gained EU passports enabling them to play in EU free of restriction. Some players have dual nationality e.g. Alfredo di Stefano, hence two flags. English flag, I guess represents their national team. I did'nt start this flag lark. Not sure if worth changing.--Djln -- Djln 03:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Recent Edits

    Some recent contributions to this page have been very poor and have been nothing short of sabotage. If you feel you can improve article, fair enough but otherwise don't remove better contributions. Djln--Djln 03:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

    I agree, this one looks pretty sloppy. Why is Luxemburgo listed under Squad Changes as "transfered" to Sao Paulo? He was the manager, not a player. Shouldn't the Stadium Information section be left in the article on the Bernabeu, or at most in the infobox? -- JoelCFC25 20:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

    I've removed the Luxembourgo reference. You are correct, it should not have been there. Don't be afraid to edit obvious mistakes. Regarding Stadium info. I agree it would be better placed in the article on the stadium itself, but I think this standard template has been agreed by Wikipedia editors. I guess the vast majority of clubs don't have a stadium with a seperate article and that could be why the section has been included. Djln --Djln 21:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

    Djln, would you please be more explicit the next time you mention the addition of biased commentaries in the Real Madrid page? It would be quite interesting discussing a couple of things or more with you about this matter. Spooki 23:28, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

    Considering that you are an FC Barcelona supporter Djln and that you've added things to the article such as Madrid "selling" its training ground to the city government, which is patently false, or Franco giving Madrid "institutional" assistance, and many other things reflecting your clear prejudice, I think it's fair to ask where the bias is coming from.

    [edit] History section titles

    Since both the "Champions of Spain" and the "Champions of Europe" sections make reference to Madrid's successes not only in the League and European Cup (respectively), but also to success in the Copa del Rey, Supercup, UEFA Cup, etc, I think these terms as titles are innaccurate, to put it nicely. Ive tried several times, with explanations, to rename them to something more all-encompassing such as "Domestic/International Success" but someone keeps changing them back. Does anyone object to changing this? Avrv 07:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

    Avrv, of course not. I totally agree with you here. There is no need to add more explanations. I think it's quite clear. Spooki 12:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

    I also agree. Your formulation makes much more sense.

    --Bcnviajero 16:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Players numbers

    Don't change the players' number yet. These numbers haven't been confirmed. I know they just played a friendly against an English team and the players were wearing those numbers, but those aren't the official numbers. PS: Do you really think they will give Ruben the no. 5 shirt, they'll give it to Cannavaro.200.6.171.135 00:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Rivalry with Barcelona

    This is a contentious issue. The current section strongly leans towards mentioning incidences which increased the rivalry by negatively impacting on FC Barcelona - such as the pressured to lose allegations and the Di Stefano transfer - while generally ignoring instances in the past where Real Madrid had controversial decisions go against it - the 1960-61 European Cup semifinal is a fine example but there are many others. When I've included them, while not removing the aforementioned ones causing harm to Barcelona, to give the article more even-handedness, they have consistently been removed, when they are just as relevant as the first group. Also the comment about Madrid being the regime team and Barcelona being the opposition team is purely the perspective of an FC Barcelona fan. At that time (and to this day), Madrid fans did not consider their team the "regime" team - the only team receiving official regime support was Atletico, for a time - and fans of Athletic, Osasuna, Sevilla and any other number of clubs that aren't tied to Catalan nationalism did not consider Barcelona the "opposition" team. This should be removed. Again I had a very even handed assessment of it, which has been doctored back to its original fallacies. Avrv 07:23, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


    The section as you wrote it gave the impression that Real Madrid were compromised equally by intervention by the authorities, and it would be difficult to find more than a few flat-earthers who would argue that. It may well be true that many or indeed most Real Madrid fans did not themselves see the Club as the regime team, but it is certainly true that that is how it was seen elsewhere, and with good reason. Teams such as those from the Basque Country and FC Barcelona were often seen as being opposition teams.

    Many articles on Wikipedia are inevitably written and maintained by those with a strong interest in, and often passion for, the subject, and this is particularly manifested in articles on subjects such as religion, political figures, and football clubs. This is, of course, one such article and it therefore does not come close to detailing the whole story, as to put it there would lead to its deletion almost immediately.

    The fact is that Franco, once firmly installed in power, wanted to create a sporting team to represent the new order, and settled upon Real Madrid, a then obscure team. The power of the state was used to ensure that the Club became the dominant force, with influence (to put it mildly) on referees, the administration of other clubs, the transfer of players, and on players themselves. I am not naive enough to think that this information would survive for long on the main page, but here on the talk page, at least, maybe it can be aired and discussed.

    As such, the section as currently formulated is mild in comparision to the reality, and any attempt to dilute it further should be avoided.

    --Bcnviajero 16:26, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


    Sorry Bcnviajero but I couldn't disagree more. You are simply insulting all the antifranquists who have supported Real Madrid along the years when you state Real Madrid was the Regime team and Barça the opposition to Franco team. A minority may see it this way, and the majority of people who haven't lived in Spain may find this convincing enough but you just cannot confuse the rest of us. It's just as simple as this.

    --Spooki 21:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


    Hi Spooki. Please do read again what I wrote, as I actually agree with what you are saying and was very careful not to make the point you think I made. I am fully aware and accept that many Madrid fans were opposed to the regime and that being a supporter of the Club did not automatically mean being a supporter of the dictatorship. However, what I am saying is that the regime supported the Club. Are you truly arguing that Franco did not intervene to ensure success for Real Madrid? Surely not.

    Therefore, it is true to state that Madrid were often seen as the regime Club as in many ways they were. I pointed out that other teams, notably the Basques, were also often seen as opposition teams but with FC Barcelona being the biggest rival to Real Madrid they were the the most famous case.

    (By the way, I am glad that we are having a reasoned discussion here...on subjects such as these there are far too many people on Wikipedia who simply resort to insults).

    --Bcnviajero 11:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

    Again though bcn you are approaching this from the perspective of a Barcelona fan. Fans of some clubs, and with questionable motives, have "seen" Madrid as the regime team. But to suggest that they were "often seen" as the regime team, without any sort of nuance suggesting who exactly it was that saw them as such, is inaccurate - because they were not "often seen" as such by anything close to the majority of people. There is a good article that touches upon this here: http://www.tiempodehoy.com/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=50&idnoticia_PK=35575&idseccio_PK=630 written by Peces Barba....the relevant portion follows:

    Tuvo el Madrid pocos éxitos en la posguerra; tenía muchos más el Barcelona, pero cuando el Madrid despertó en la Liga y en la naciente Copa Europea, en aquellos que los más envidiosos han llamado “años en blanco y negro”, la fama trascendió y se extendió. El régimen de Franco, que tenía nula audiencia internacional, se intentó aprovechar del Real Madrid y todos los enemigos del equipo empezaron a llamarle “el equipo del régimen”. Recuerdo que a mi padre le indignaban esas afirmaciones falsas. El único equipo que tuvo en su directiva a una persona destacada del Régimen fue el Barcelona, que fichó como tesorero a José María Guix. Al contrario, el Real Madrid, en uno de sus viajes por América, conectó a través de su vicepresidente Raimundo Saporta con los exiliados republicanos, llegando a presentar a los jugadores al presidente de la Generalitat en el exilio.

    As a side note, since this isn't something that (wisely) appears in the article itself, I completely disagree with you on both things you said, that the regime supported the club and that Franco intervened to ensure success. How? The historical record shows, for those interested in really looking at it, that there are many, many more cases of institutional Francoist intervention on behalf of FC Barcelona than there are for Real Madrid. Football for him was a tool just like many other things, I've never argued that he benefited from Real Madrid, but to go from there to saying that Madrid's success is in any part able to be attributed to his intervention smacks of a very facile way of explaining away disparate success. Which is the tendency of interested parties.Avrv 11:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


    It seems very strange to say that because FC Barcelona had Francoist directors and presidents imposed on it (which I agree it certainly did) that that was to its advantage. Surely that was to ensure that the regime's will was done? Indeed, in the case of Di Stefano, having supporters on the FC Barcelona board was of significant benefit to the Franco regime, as they could claim that Barcelona had voluntarily relinquished ownership.

    With regards to there having been support for FC Barcelona from the regime, I have to say that is a new one. It does not appear that there was any such support, let alone to a greater extent than that afforded to Real Madrid. Why would Franco have done that? As you have agreed that FC Barcelona fans, at the very least, often saw themselves as supporting an opposition team, and as they saw football victories as representing small victories against the regime, that would make no sense. I do not doubt that Franco's support was resented by any number of Franco-opposing Real Madrid fans, but this does not mean it did not happen. I maintain my original statement. Real Madrid was not simply aided by Franco's regime, Real Madrid as the significant force that it became was fully the creation of Franco's regime. The fact that this did not happen for the first decade or so does not seem to me to be relevant.

    To your point of potential bias or seeing things only one way, if you look through my records on the FC Barcelona page you will see that I have consistently gone against the willfully misguided who try to make untrue or debatable assertions about the club's past or achievements.

    --Bcnviajero 14:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

    It would be better if you typed that political propaganda with no evidence on the Barcelona article, but as Barcelona fans you are I don't think it's very elegant to type some of the shit I've seen in the Rivalry with Barcelona section in an article about Real Madrid.

    --Spooki 14:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

    I spent a large amount of time and effort in the summer of 2006 cleaning up and editing this article, which previously (due to lack of attention) was largely written, and ironically so, by FCB supporters. Due to this clean up and subsequent effort to adhere to template, and remove bias from the information, the article - after years of being ignored - was successively upgraded in status and even nominated as a featured article.

    However it has come to my attention recently that certain users, with special mention to Bcnviajero, contiually sabotage the article by introducing what can only be described as anti-Real Madrid/pro-FC Barcelona propaganda. The following bit was seen, and removed, by spooky, on Oct 26th.

    "Success did not come immediately, however. The club was still in very poor shape and other clubs, such as the aforementioned Atlético, Barcelona, and Athletic Bilbao had very strong teams. However, once Franco was firmly installed in power, he began to see that Real Madrid could be the representative of his new fascist Spain, and the full forces of the state were employed to ensure success for the club, from player signings to influence on referees."

    This was written by Bcnviajero. Notice how this portion resembles what the same person posted - as his personal opinion - in this very section of the discussion, well over a year ago:

    "The fact is that Franco, once firmly installed in power, wanted to create a sporting team to represent the new order, and settled upon Real Madrid, a then obscure team. The power of the state was used to ensure that the Club became the dominant force, with influence (to put it mildly) on referees, the administration of other clubs, the transfer of players, and on players themselves."

    The only "fact" here is that Bcnviajero - as is evident by his nickname, his editing, and his expressed personal opinions - has a clearly biased agenda. This is tantamount to page vandalism and if it continues I will report said user to wikipedia. Avrv 13:40, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Kaka and war

    Milan has stated that they will not even sit down with Real Madrid to discuss a transfer of Kaka. They have criticized the new leadership, and "declared war" on Real Madrid.

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=374413&cc=3888

    this should probably go in. But it's late, and I have class tomorrow. ABart26 07:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

    Ruud van Nistelrooy is NOT yet a Real Madrid player.

    Yes he is... he has signed a contract with Madrid... Just because he hasnt been in a press conference yet it doesnt mean he hasnt signed already

    Dude... he hasn't passed a medical yet, he is not a Real Madrid player yet. ----  MATTYTHEWHITE  yap  stalk 

    [edit] vice captain

    Since Raul spends most of his time on the bench, who's the captain of the team when he's not playing?58.168.6.187 12:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

    There are 3 captains on the team in order of seniority, Raul, Guti, and Roberto Carlos. In the rare case that none of the 3 are playing, it passes to Casillas. Avrv 21:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

    Raul most of his time on the bench!!!!!!, what hells are you talking about? See the stadistics, last year he was in the bench because he was injuried, when he is ok he always play

    [edit] Los galácticos

    The reference to los galácticos should be removed. Everyone who calls them like this do it with the only purpose to have a laugh at the nick they temporally earned the right to have. I don't see any references to "el Madrid de los García" or "los Ye-Yes" to name 2 examples, so the part of los Galácticos should be avoided in the same way. Spooki 13:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

    Yes, I agree. I believe some mention of the galacticos could be made, perhaps alongside a reference to florentino perez, but it is not club nicknamed used either by the club or its fans, and in fact has become almost derogatory. I again say it should be mentioned, and perhaps we could also make a mention of the Ye-Yes. Avrv 21:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

    I also agree. It is appropriate to discuss the term in the context of the Pérez years, as indeed the article does, but it is not a nickname of the club generally, just of one era. It should not, therefore, be in the info box along with Merengues etc. There was a similar debate on the FC Barcelona article, where one editor wanted to include Dream Team as a nickname.

    --Bcnviajero 20:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

    Ok, I think this has been taken care of, cheers Avrv 07:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Page Needs Tidy Up

    This page has been very poorly edited recently. It is organized and there no logic to the layout. I have tried to tidy it up. However my attempts have been constantly sabotaged. Djln --Djln 21:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

    We have tried to discuss some of the changes as the ones refered to the Stadium Information in adherence to template, still you keep editing that part without wanting to talk about it previously? It seems like you are the one sabotaging things here. Please EXPLAIN why the page has been poorly edited. What's what you don't like? Be more explicit please. Try not to avoid the discussion paragraphs where we comment your ideas. If we make changes and comment about them, it's quite insulting that you erase them without adding any reasons to do it. Spooki --Spooki 9:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

    How is erasing people's hard work "tidying up"??your just destroying the page, again and again. Besides the fact that the page looks better, it has a lot more information, information that you keep erasing. If i wouldn't have been a pain in the ass and kept editing your pages, "summer 2006", "statistics" would have been erased, why?i don't know. why did the section about the board of directors kept disappearing, an essential part of any real madrid information page, i dont know. wasn't "tidy" enough for you? What reason did you have for deleting "past lineups"?what reason did you have for "rearanging" the "former player" section. my way is better, and more useful. I would like an explanation. at least this time. Hierro --Hierro 12:51, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

    The part about the Club Crest is written in VERY broken English. Someone should probably clean it up.

    I have removed this sentence "Chelsea's Andriy Shevchenko (then playing for A.C. Milan) and" in Real madrid's champion legue Statistics and records as Shevchenko has no mean to Real Madrid and he should not be mentioned here! G.nguyenquang (talk) 19:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Improvements Needed

    Wikipedia has guidelines on article size. This article regularly goes over these guidelines. To help keep the article within these guidelines, I have started separate articles on Real Madrid Castilla, Real Madrid Baloncesto, Real Madrid Summer 2006 and Real Madrid Football Player Statistics. These articles have been linked together in the category Cat:Real Madrid. This information has not been destroyed, just relocated. With clubs such as Real Madrid where there is lots to write about, editors need to look the Cat:Real Madrid as a whole and not just put everything about club in the main article.

    Examples of poor editing

    • Excessive detail on current issues that very quickly becomes dated. This includes transfer details and info about presidential elections. This info is more appropriately placed in individual articles on players or presidents.
    • Players list is a mess when divided into decades, looks untidy.
    • Same applies to lists of managers and presidents. Need to be more reader friendly - table formats rather then lists.
    • Paragraph titles are poor. Champions of Europe and Champions of Spain are better titles. The club are record holders in both and it has earned the right to use these titles.
    • The Santiago Bernabéu Stadium has its own article and excessive info does not need to be here.
    • The same also applies to section on Santiago Bernabéu Yeste. Some of this info is just repeated in other sections anyway.
    • The sections on rivalries with FC Barcelona and Atlético de Madrid have been relegated to bottom of article. This has seen the timeline of the article destroyed.
    • Links to Real Madrid Summer 2006 and Real Madrid Football Player Statistics are not in approprate places.
    • External Links section has too many non-English links.

    Djln--Djln 22:26, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

    Champions of Europe refers unically to European Cups won, and the fact is that that chapter talks also about other trophies. The same applies to Champions of Spain. Domestic and international success are much more proper and some of us had already agreed it was better using them instead. Spooki--Spooki 19:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


    I am concerned about the level of English used for this article. It seems to me that the structure of the grammar resembles that of other European languages such as Spanish and French. I have tried to edit it to make the sentences more coherent, but am unable to maintain the quality of the article after my corrections. Could someone please go over the English? I feel the translation could be much improved than its current state.--Vindicta 12:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Transfers

    I have removed the list of recent transfers, as Wikipedia is not a news service. Oldelpaso 11:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Fake Madrid

    Take a look at the end of the second paragraph in the article. "Their main rivals are Fake Madrid." Isn't that vandalism? Just wanted to check first. Thanks :-) Wushugene 20:56, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Ferenc Puskás for FA

    As you may know, Ferenc Puskás died on 17 November. He was legendary footballer both for Hungary and for Real Madrid. His article, Ferenc Puskás is now "football collarboration of the week" which has the aim of preparing the article to achieve feature article status. If you would like, please browse by, make some improvements, and help to bring him up to FA status. If you have any noncopyvio media (or know where some is), then please put it up. This isnt an FA nomination just yet.... but it should be in a week or so, and he certainly deserves the honour. István 03:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] vandalism

    someone has altered the real madrid squad —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.100.65.165 (talk) 21:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

    Okay, I stumbled upon this page, it looked like it was vandalized, so I undid the edit made by this user, who openly proclaims his mass deletion to it. Please tell me if this is right. If this is vandalism, then I advise that you check out the rest of this user's edits because similar text was put in those articles. Thank you.--JDitto 07:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

    I removed a part of text after the Ronaldo transfer, as it was more than likely made up, or, at the very least, speculation started by a fan. Krist69 13:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

    Thanks, Krist. --JDitto 06:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Real Madrid Worldwide fan group

    Is it possible to add Real Madrid Worldwide fan site : http://www.realmadrid-club.net to the article page external links ?

    [edit] 2007 Championship

    I see that Real were awarded this over Barcelona, who had the same number of points and a better goal difference, on the grounds of a "better head to head record". What does this mean? Millbanks 21:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

    It means that in Real vs Barca league games this season, Real have done better. Think of their league games as being a two-legged cup tie. BeL1EveR 18:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Incorrect FAC submission

    This commentary was found incorrectly inserted at WP:FAC; if someone intended to submit a FAC, it wasn't done correctly. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Real Madrid

    Saudi9999 04:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

    What's this doing here at the bottom, unreviewed?? It's certainly not good enough to be promoted. Tony 09:28, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] GA review comments

    • "It is one of the most successful clubs of the 20th century and also holds several records." - what is the intent of this sentence. please re-word as it currently violates the Show, don't tell policy
    • "The club also has a similarly successful basketball section." and "and a successful basketball team, Real Madrid Baloncesto" are redundant. remove one of these.
    • "original uniform colors are white t-shirt and shorts, and blue socks." - would the original uniform colors be so important as to warrant a mention in the first para?
    • when was the club founded? by whom? - this detail needs to be mentioned in the lead para
    • "The club was one of the founding members of FIFA" - which year?
    • "Real Madrid is currently the richest club in the world" - the wikilink talks of Real Madrid as the richest SOCCER/FOOTBALL club, not the richest SPORTS club. please re-word appropriately
    • The article lacks references in the history section.
    • contemporary history (football performance in the last 2 years) has been given a lot of undue attention. please moderate in the history section
    • "Stadia" section needs details. also there is a " improve this article or section" tag, which is inappropriate for GA
    • neither the stats in this page or the main article talks of stats before 1994/95 season. what happened to the stats from 1900 to 1995?

    The article needs to improve on references and content in sections outside the history section before being nominated for GA again. --Kalyan 16:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


    [edit] Real Madrid Statistics in La Liga

    All numbers are took from this link:[1] Manegers from this link:[2] King Cup from this link:[3]

    Also, I make a template that includes all Real Madrid's seasons in La Liga (with king cup & UEFA competitions) Here: Template:Real Madrid in La Liga ,it has references. And I but it in Real Madrid in La Liga.

    Any comment in it or ideas to improve it tell me. Saudi9999 04:10, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Recent Vandalism

    I have been having a revert war with 211.172.66.237 who has been adding Didier Drogba to the Real Madrid page. I would like people to keep an eye out for this, and please note the IP is on it's final warning. Thanks, Jackrm 12:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

    Can we make block-editing for non-user???? Saudi9999 09:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Real or Royal?

    What does 'Real' (Spanish) mean? It's hard to tell in context. --hello, i'm a member | talk to me! 05:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

    I'm pretty certain it means Royal. Alot of 'Real' clubs have a crown on their emblem. Jackrm 17:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Current squad 2007/08

    i have a few questions on the 'Current squad 2007/08' section of the real madrid page. firstly, why is robben in the team even though there has been no official mention of him in the squad on realmadrid.com and it still says he is a chelsea player on the arjen robben page. secondly, where are people getting the shirt numbers, on the realmadrid.com van nistelrooy is number 17 whereas on the list he is 9. i have looked at lots of sites and real madrid fan sites to see if these shirt numers are true but i cant find it anyway. please put the source at the bottom or do not change shirt numbers/squad lists. Smithcool 22:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


    Because of Rfef rules that 1, 13 & 25 are reserved for goalkeepers when there three on the roster, that is why I assigned 13 to Dudek and 25 to Codina.Raul17 07:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

    that doesnt explain the rest of the numbers, and what about robben?? Smithcool

    Except for van Nistelrooy (which the Real Madrid website printed a statement made by Calderón that van Nistelrooy would wear #9), I have no ideal why the numbers were assigned. Raul17 16:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] WikiProject Real Madrid

    i am after setting up a real madrid wikiproject if anybody is interested in joining. Wikipedia:WikiProject Real Madrid. Smithcool 22:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


    [edit] Jerzy Dudek shirt number

    it says in an interview here: [4] on the real madrid official site that Jerzy Dudek is shirt number 25 so i changed it on the current squad list and his personal page. so by process of elimination, Jordi Codina is number 13. Smithcool

    [edit] Revert War

    There seems to be a mini revert war betwen an ip and User:Tiago Heitor. Tiago Heitor insists on having the american spelling for colours, and insists "Fifa awarded real madrid as the.." which doens't sound as good as "Fifa named real madrid as the..". Peoples views on this? Should it be the american version or the english? etc. JacќяМ ¿Qué? 22:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

    You are free to edit those things,but most of the numbers are changed as well on a daily basis,even Pepe,THAT EVERY PERSON THAT CARES ABOUT REAL MADRID MUST HAVE SEEN HIS PRESENTATION...AS NUMBER 3!!!!So,did you change the numbers too??? Tiago Heitor 23:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

    I agree you're right with the numbers, but edit wars suck, so just report the person if they're continually adding it, or discuss it with them. -JacќяМ ¿Qué? 23:53, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

    Tiago Heitor: All of the new signings, including Pepe (see image), were presented without a number. However, he has worn the number 3 in the two pre-season friendlies RMCF have so far played. –Kooma (di algo) 15:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Incorrect Information in the Stadia Section

    "The Bernabéu is one of the world's most famous football venues, along with a handful of others, such as Old Trafford in Manchester, Anfield in Liverpool, Wembley in London, Celtic Park and Ibrox Stadium in Glasgow, Azteca in Mexico, San Siro in Milan, Monumental in Buenos Aires, Athens Olympic Stadium in Athens, Centenario Stadium in Montevideo, Camp Nou in Barcelona or the Maracanã in Rio de Janeiro. Alongside London's Wembley, the Munich Olympic Stadium, Toronto's BMO Field, Edmonton's Commonwealth Stadium and the Stadio Olimpico in Rome, it has the proud record of having hosted the European Cup final (in 1957, 1969 and 1980), the 1964 European Championship final (1964), and the FIFA World Cup final (1982)."

    Toronto and Edmonton have NEVER hosted any of these tournaments for obvious reasons. This is a case of utter stupidity and/or vandalism and should be removed by somebody immediately.

    In a way, you're right and wrong. While this information is not in the UEFA Champions League article, nor in the FIFA World Cup articles, it's mentioned in this news blog that a semi-final match was held in the Commonwealth Stadium, and the finals are to be held in the BMO stadium. Foxsports confirms it too.
    The edit was made by Saudi9999, see this edit.
    Now that you are equipped with this information, go ahead and be bold and don't be too shy to edit articles. It also might be a good idea to make your own account. --JDitto 19:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
    I think some one was in a hurry to make that edit written by me. Without check the original artical Santiago_Bernabéu_Stadium. I only took this info from Santiago_Bernabéu_Stadium without revise. Finally, I didn't add or write any info. from me.Saudi9999 19:51, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Miñambres voided his contract with Hércules.

    Has anyone read the article from Marca about Miñambres voiding his contract because he feels that his knee is not up to standards and will likely retire? Raul17 18:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] First team squad (no 1-25)

    I took the liberty to clarify the first team squad in accordance with the spanish roster rules wich limit the clubs to register a maximum of 25 players with a maximum of 3 non-EU players. Players with numbers 26 and onwards are not registered with the first team but are eligable to play (and be given a number) if they are registered for a reserve or youth team. It's because of these rules that the number 16 shirt of Athletic Bilbao belonged to Pablo Orbaiz in the first half of the 06-07 season and Javi González for the second half when Orbaiz was out injured for the rest of the season. The paragraphs on transfers and first team squad lacked some clarity and could have given the impression that De la Red et al had been registered for the first team when they only had been given shirt numbers. See the squad pages on www.lfp.es and www.soccer-spain.com (where number 22 Torres is the only Castilla player listed as a new signing) for brief explanations on Primera roster rules. Sebisthlm 23:04, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

    And only those reserve team players aged 23 years and younger can play for the first team and the reserves unless they are under 25 years old with a professional contract. Also, reserve team players can be given first team shirts when the transfer window opens in January: Barça did this with Messi two seasons ago (which opened a can of worms that Barça had four non-EU players on their roster) and RM Castilla did this for Adrián last term (switched from 26/29 to 10). Raul17 06:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Notable former players' flags

    I have noticed that some spanish players have two or three spanish flags, my question is, Do we need these flags?, shouldn't a normal Flag of Spain can do the job?

    Yes, it should just be a Spain flag. Well, the section shouldn't even be there in the first place. Its opinionated and subjective. Mattythewhite 07:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
    I've changed the flags into normal Flag of Spain. It looks more simple, right?

    [edit] Real Madrid article is too long...

    I think the article should be shorter. If we continue to write 100 rows for each season, the article will be kilometres long... --Hadrianos1990 15:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

    The history secion needs cutting down and suffers from recentism. Mattythewhite 15:39, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] GA Review Comments

    Here's the review

    • "Real Madrid is currently the richest club in the world with an estimated revenue of €292.2 million.[4] [5] The club's revenue is €351 million.[6]" - this sentence is not mentioned later in the article and therefore needs removing
    • "Football was introduced to Madrid by the professors and students of the Institución Libre de Enseñanza." - needs referencing
      • Y Done Added citation needed tag. Mattythewhite 19:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
    • "Real Madrid has a newly named stadium which is the 'Alfredo Di Stéfano Stadium'." - this is not in context with the paragraph it is in and in present tense
    • Wikilink UEFA Champions League
      • Y Done Wikilink added. Mattythewhite 19:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Use – in scorelines and year ranges
      • Y Done Endashes added. Mattythewhite 20:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
    • "They have also won the UEFA Cup twice and were twice runners-up in the European Cup Winners Cup." - needs a reference
      • Y Done References have been added. Mattythewhite 19:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
    • "By the early 1980s Madrid had lost their grasp on the La Liga title until a new batch of homegrown stars, known as 'El Quinta del Buitre' started to dominate the Spanish football." - needs a reference
      • Y Done Reference added --Hadrianos1990 08:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
    • "Real Madrid had one of the best teams in Spain and Europe during the second half of the 1980s, winning amongst others two UEFA Cups and 5 Spanish championships in a row" - reference
      • Y Done Reference added --Hadrianos1990 08:55, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
    • "Butragueño left the club in 1995 and Michél in 1996. Both went to play for Atlético Celaya in Mexico." - turn into one sentence
      • Y Done One sentence--Hadrianos1990 08:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
    • "(Roberto Carlos, Predrag Mijatović, Davor Šuker and Clarence Seedorf)" remove the brackets and incorporate into the article
      • Y Done Incorporated and no brackets --Hadrianos1990 08:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Numbers less than ten should be written out
      • Y Done Numbers less than ten written out in letters. Mattythewhite 09:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
    • "In July 2000 Florentino Pérez was elected club president vowing to erase the club's debt and modernise the club's facilities, however the primary electoral promise that propelled Pérez to victory was the signing of then-FC Barcelona star Luís Figo" - reference
      • Y Done Reference added --Hadrianos1990 08:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
    • "it was the start of a new era as Madrid changed their transfer policy and started to find young jewels." - reomve the jewels bit. it's not encylopeadic.
    • "The 2007-08 season was a great start for Real as they showed skill and that they were adapting to the new style of play Schuster had brought in." - this sentence is also poor and needs improving
      • Y Done Sentence has been removed. Mattythewhite 10:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
    • The crest section needs more references, as does the colours section
      • Y Done References added --Hadrianos1990 09:00, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
    • "Players in bold have international caps." - this is not needed remove it
      • Y Done Has been removed. Mattythewhite 19:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Put the managers and presidents into a table
      • Y Done Managers placed in table. Mattythewhite 19:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
      • Y Done Presidents in table--Hadrianos1990 08:23, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Headings do not meet WP:HEAD
      • Y Done Section renamed. Mattythewhite 13:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

    I'll fail it for now, that's a lot of work to do, so message me once it's done NapHit 15:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Real Madrid and Atlético de Madrid

    In the article, you state that "initially Atlético supporters came from the working class while the Real supporters were drawn from the middle class". This is a false idea that many people have nowadays, due to the fact that Atlético plays its local matches in the south of the city, an area traditionally inhabited by the working class, while Santiago Bernabéu stadium is located in a wealthier area. Nevertheless, Atlético does not represent the south of Madrid, and Real the north, and Atlético former stadium was actually in the north-west of the city. Actually, I think that traditionally Real Madrid's supporters come from all over the city and all social groups. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.53.50.237 (talk) 16:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

    This was true early in the clubs'histories; but as time moved on, people's taste changed. I think Rayo Vallecano represents the working class only because the giant that Atléti and Madrid have and Rayo is the underdog. Raul17 17:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Real Madrid and Franco

    Many people think that Real Madrid was the dictator's team, and I have seen that you have been discussing this idea. I would like to talk more about it. First of all, I would like to remind that Real Madrid was founded by Catalans, while FC Barcelona was founded by a Swiss (although many Barcelona supporters like to call its foundator Joan Gamper, instead of Johan, as if he were a Catalan). The Spanish League was created in 1928, when the king of Spain was Alfonso XIII, but the country was actually ruled by dictator Miguel Primo de Rivera. Real Madrid won its first League title in 1932, under the rule of the II Republic. Also, Juan Negrín's son played for Real Madrid's basketball team. Juan Negrín was prime minister during the civil war, and continued to be so in exile. He was a member of the socialist party. I am not saying that Real Madrid represented left-wing ideologies, my point is that Madrid is not Glasgow and sports clubs are not linked to any particular ideology or social class. In the 1935-36 season, the last one before the civil war, Atlético ended up 11th and was relegated to 2nd Division (12 teams played in the 1st Division). During the Civil War, Oviedo's stadium was destroyed, so they could not play in the 1939-40 season in 1st Division, and Atlético took their place. Atlético was then named Atlético-Aviación, because they were sponsored by the Spanish Air Force (under Franco's rule). They won two League titles in a row (39-40 and 40-41). Meanwhile, Real Madrid struggled in the Spanish League for 14 years. Although they where second in the 41-42 and 44-45 Leagues, they nearly had to play the relegation play-off in the 42-43 season, when they ended up 10th. So Real Madrid had mediocre results until 1953, and during this period (1939-1953), they only won one Spanish Cup. Real Madrid then started to have a very good team, thanks to Alfredo Di Stéfano, and also Ferenc Puskas, Paco Gento and other top-class players. The European Cup was created in 1955-56 and Real Madrid won the first five of them. Franco profited of this situation, and used Real Madrid for his own personal propagandistic interests, and also used football to distract a society that suffered from famine and lack of freedom. Franco did not do Real Madrid a favour when he did not let its basketball team play against teams from communist countries, thus being disqualified from the European Cup whenever they had to play against CSKA Moscow, or another of these teams, because he thought that Real Madrid would lose to them, and therefore people would think that the communists where better than Spaniards. Real Madrid's basketball team was uncontestedly the best team in Spain at the moment, and is currently the best team in European history, having won 8 European Cups/Euroleagues and 14 European titles altogether. Eventually, Real Madrid's managers convinced Franco that they were capable of beating that Russians, so he let them play against them, and Real won. As it was believed that Soviets and Yugoslavs were the best at basketball, Franco also profitted from this situation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.53.50.237 (talk) 17:14, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

    I wish I remember the name of the former Madrid player when he was asked if Madrid benefitted from Franco. The player asked how long was Franco in power and then asked how many titles Madrid won during that time! Raul17 17:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Failed fac vs. withdrawn fac

    Please wait for GimmeBot to accurately update the articlehistory, as indicated in the {{FAC}} template. The first fac was a failed fac, the second was withdrawn without significant opposes and is handled differently in archives, while this last fac is a failed fac as significant opposes were entered before it was withdrawn. There are several steps involved in correctly archiving these fac fails, and GimmeBot will do them all correctly. Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

    Thanks for the note, but shouldn't the the second FAC be mentioned, even though it was withdrawn? Looks missing without it.. Mattythewhite 18:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
    It's linked in the third FAC, so it won't go missing. It had no significant commentary. FACs that are withdrawn without significant commentary aren't archived and botfied; several scripts that are used to check FAC files follow these conventions; if a withdrawn FAC is added to articlehistory it will generate a burp. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

    There is also a peer review tag at the top of this page, but the article was not at WP:PR. Since the article is no longer at FAC, I relisted it at PR. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] GA failed

    REAL MADRID

    • Prose has quite a lot of problems
    • ” Spanish professional football club” -> professional Spanish football club”
    • ” most successful club in European competition history with 11 European trophies, nine European Cups and two UEFA Cups; more than any other European club” this gives the erroneous impression that they won a total of 22 European competitions
    • ” the club's name was changed into”. No. Use “to”.
    • ” Its record was only failed to win the European Cup.” ??
    • Stadiums -> stadia
    • ” This time, was only a short stay, because after only twelve months the club moved again”
    • don’t use contractions.
    • Inconsistency in US and Uk English. Some “izing” and “ising”
    • Many examples all over the place. I’m not going to list them here. Maybe 340% of the sentences have a clear problem/
    • POV
    • ”Most successful club of the 20th century – how do you compare with teams in other competitions in other countries? Not possible
    • Undue weight in the history section. Disproportionate emphasis on history in modern times
    ” amazing comeback in 2007”
    • Peacock/Weasel terms
    ” the world's first truly multinational side”
    ” playing some superb football” – needs attirubtion, not as official Wikipedia POV
    ” the club would become the most famous and successful in all of world football” how do you measure fame?
    ” as with most teams, it have had some more unusual ones.” Loose sentence needing elaboration rather than just a vague stand alone comment.
    • ” Real has a traditional rivalry with FC Barcelona, a legendary one.” POV. A few more examples are in there
    • Sources
    • Far too many non-RS from RM website (Self sourcing is not RS), Real Madrid fansites, and other Wikipedia pages, and answers.com. At least 50% of the references are not acceptable.
    • Athletico Madrid reivalry does not have a source, only a footnote.
    • Refs need to be standardised
    • Missing sections
    Board politics
    Budget. All the big transfer spending and such. “Galaticos” is used a few times without explaining the policy in detail.

    Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Didn't Sampdoria exercized their option to buy Cassano?

    I thought that Antonio Cassano was brought outright from Madrid during the January window. Raul17 (talk) 19:53, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Nicknames that could be added

    They've been refered to as just "Real" or "Madrid" the same as Barcelona are Barca

    Worth adding? 77.99.186.110 (talk) 14:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] GK with most appearances is wrong.

    I edited this yesterday to credit Iker Casillas with this record and it has been reverted to the wrong player. Check the Real Madrid stats page for confirmation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.15.78.147 (talk) 16:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

    [edit] Current squad image?

    With the lineup and everything, shouldn't we try to include a panoramic photo of the first team before or after the squad list like this?

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2052/2118463185_ab46940939.jpg