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[edit] Pottenger's cats argument
There's conflicting info on the diets that make up Pottenger's cats study. The westonaprice site showed that non of the meat were cooked and that only one diet(the totally raw one) had 2/3 meat while the rest only had 1/3 meat. This book review and the statements in this book seems to indicate that there were at least one diet with cooked meat and that he actually compared diets with equal proportion of meat. Therefore, the block of text below that I had hidden in the main article is probably wrong. --165.21.154.94 (talk) 02:06, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Pottenger's Cat study is also flawed as while the Raw Diet was 2/3 meat and 1/3 milk, the Cooked Diets were 1/3 meat and 2/3 milk. There was a fifth diet of "Raw Metabolized Vitamin D Milk Only." The cats failed to thrive on that diet, also. What this shows is that cats don't thrive on cooked diets with 0-50% as much meat, and 2-3 times as much milk. The study needs to be repeated with 2/3 meat and 1/3 milk across the board, to draw valid conclusions from it. An all-meat diet should've been tested, since cats are carnivores. Also, fish and liver could substitute for cod liver oil.
[edit] Possibly useful links
- A Comparison of the Nutritional Adequacy of Home-Prepared and Commercial Diets for Dogs - one month study of 79 dogs fed a home prepared diet in Austria. Not clear if the home prepared food is raw or cooked
- Food Habits of Feral Carnivores: A Review of Stomach Content Analysis As the title says, an analysis of what animals eat in the wild. Expect raw food advocates to start adding carrion into their animal's diet soon.
- Use of a raw meat-based diet or a dry kibble diet for sand cats On the digestibility of raw vs kibble
- Barfworld and Barf Australia - Ian Billinghurst's sites on the BARF diet
- Raw Meaty Bones Tom Lonsdale's site on a Raw Meaty Bones Diet
- The Volhard Diet Wendy Volhard's site on the Volhard diet and recipes.
- drpitcairn.com Thoughts On Feeding Raw Meat Diets by Richard Pitcairn
- "Why A Raw Food Diet IS NOT The Answer" Dog food and nutrition site's page critical of raw feeding.
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[edit] Salmonella in commercial food
Removed the following as OR and not really relevant
- However, an outbreak in August, 2007 of Salmonella in dry dog food in Pennsylvania, reported by the CDC[1], seems to indicate that the potential for bacterial infection is not just restricted to raw food diets.[original research?]
A more effective counter to the "raw has bacteria" argument would be to cite studies showing that post-processing contamination is common in commercial food(if it is so), and not just isolated cases like the above statement shows. One point the above ref can be used to show is that while tons of humans got sick, non of the pets eating the contaminated food got sick. Might be because the strain infects only humans though, not sure how it works. --165.21.155.11 (talk) 23:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- I added it per the second point I made above.--165.21.155.15 (talk) 02:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] BHA/BHT ethoxyquine
- Some low cost commercial pet foods contain chemical preservatives (BHA/BHT and ethoxyquin) which opponents of these substances feel may be harmful. BHA and ethoxyquin were found to act carcinogenic in rats[2], but more recent studies point to a potential anticarcinogenic activity of the BHA/BHT amounts used to preserve food.[3]
No indication of who makes the claim. Study concerns rats, not dogs and cats. "Low quality food bad" is a reason not to feed low quality food, not switch to raw. The BHA/BHT meme is pretty old and no decent quality food use that stuff anymore. (At least they don't put it on the label anymore.)
[edit] Meat and bone meal
- Meat and bone meal is frequently used as a cheap protein source for low cost pet food[citation needed], particularly in the USA. Opponents of meat and bone meals in pet foods believe that this practice harbors the risk of spreading diseases; for example meat and bone meal is thought to have been responsible for the spread of BSE (mad cow disease) in Britain. Frequently, unhealthy tissues such as tumors or parasite-infested organs are included in meat and bone meal production.[4][dubious ]
Same as above.
[edit] Intensive farmed meat vs "natural meat"
- The quality of intensively farmed meat is also a concern. This applies to all birds that are selectively bred and reared to reach slaughter weight within a short period (usually 39 days). The bone within these poultry carcasses is of very low density, due to the high growth rates and inadequate mineral content of poultry feeds. So the calcium content of raw chicken wings is unnaturally low. The fat content of intensively farmed poultry meat is much higher than for extensively reared, slow growing poultry. These, and a number of other factors related to intensive animal rearing, mean that the composition of farmed poultry meat does not reflect that of wild prey, which undermines a central tenet of BARF and other diets, i.e. that the ingredients of the animal's diet are natural and balanced.[original research?]
Uncited. Could re-add as a paragraph on why many raw feeders prefer free range/farmed raised/roadkills as compared to the intensive farmed stuff.
