Talk:Raven Riley

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This article was nominated for deletion on 2006-07-25. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Contents 1 Speedy deletion 2 year of birth 3 Ethnicity 4 Website mess 5 Removed Gossip 6 Article needs improvement 7 Deletion 8 Quitting the Business

[edit] Speedy deletion

Page is similar to other established fan pages- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Capri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiffany_Teen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawnee_Stone
-- Quantum-x

I agree. This is a notable adult actress. Well over a million hits on google for "raven riley", and assuming the article is correct, she has 8 DVDs published. Needs a bit of clean-up, but shouldn't be deleted. (Also, Quantum-x, you should sign your comments.) -- Dpark 02:51, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I removed the deletion tag. This clearly doesn't meet the requirements for speedy deletion. If you want to delete it, it should go through the Articles for Deletion proceedure. -- Dpark 03:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] year of birth

here it is write that she was born in 6, Sep, 1985, but i sow in other place 6, Sep, 1984... what is the right one?

This article says date of birth is 27 sept 1984, while most links online say 6 sept 1984, and some 6 sept 1985

According to http://blog.askjolene.com/raven, it's '86. And I went and Googled her with 'bio', came up with '84 consistantly. Dak 06:30, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

According to an article at http://xbiz.com/article_piece.php?cat=43&id=13859 dated march 13 2006. it says that she is 20 years old. that suggests that her year of birth is 1986. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwedderburn (talk • contribs) 03:59, 20 June 2006

According to the article, she is 21 years old, not 20. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. ^{Think out loud — WP:PORN BIO?} 23:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

She's 19. She has said that many times. She was born in 1986.

Ok. Where's your reference? Because in the XBiz article it states she is 21, not 20, or 19. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. ^{Think out loud — WP:PORN BIO?} 03:15, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

The XBiz article clearly states she is 21.

Anyone notice that the categories suggests she's a 1986 birth but the reference in the article says 1984? Let's just pick one and run with it for continuity. 172.193.165.129 04:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Until we know for certain what her birth year is, it should be removed from the article period. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. ^{Think out loud — WP:PORN BIO?} 04:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I have heard from Raven herself that she was born September 6, 1986. Just ask here yourself, she can be found on the forums on jaymancash.com

She could be lying... It's more appealing if you think she's 20 rather than (for example) 23. Sven945 23:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

How it is possible to see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARaven_Riley&diff=58456079&oldid=47764944 somebody edited my post (the first, I forgot to sign it but u can see the history) and the first answer to it... Lill1245

Well, she's 20 years-old. not 21.tsyoshi

I am a member of her site and I talk to her all the time. She was born September 6, 1986

[edit] Ethnicity

Her Ethnicity says she's indian but the article says she's Italian and Puerto Rican. So which is it? I'm gonna change it to Hispanic for now.

She's half Native-American and Half Italian as stated by Jayman (one of the founders of the site) and herself. This is quoted here Steve355 19:09, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

More specifically, she's half Cherokee Indian and half Italian. This is from an interview done by JBM

She stated that she's indian on the PicHunter's Forum that I cannot link because is SpamBlocked: thread #4061, page #2. Memento

[edit] Website mess

Alright. I've seen the damn mess that's occuring over the links to ravenriley.com and to ravenrileyweb.com, and I'm getting confused over just what these sites represent. So the following is my two cents on what all this means...

From just a quick glimpse of the first couple of pages at each site, I would say that ravenriley.com is the official page. As well I would say that ravenrileyweb.com is either some form of fan site or someone else trying to trade in on Raven's name.

Finally, the link to ravensdiary.com shouldn't be present, as it arguably violates rule #7 of WP:EL policy ("Links to blogs, social networking sites (such as MySpace), or discussion forums unless mandated by the article itself.").

As a result, I will keep ravenriley.com and pull the other two links. If you feel it should be otherwise, please say so here rather than just blindly reverting. Tabercil 21:26, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Just to make clear, ravenrileyweb.com is not a suitable link, as it violates Wikipedia:External links policy. The key point is violates is #9: "Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), discussion forums or USENET.", and ravenrileyweb is very much a discussion forum. Tabercil 01:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Gossip

Please stop adding "She is possibly involved in a relationship.... and variations of that. Either cite a plausible siurce of leave it out. Thanks Jerry lavoie 07:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article needs improvement

This article's full of holes, and needs proper citing.

Raven Riley (born September 6, 1986 in Ohio) is an American porn star, appearing online, offline at events, and on DVD.

What events?

Riley debuted online at age 18, and garnered popularity. Since then, she has won several awards for her movies and photos. Raven is of Italian and Native American heritage. Riley regularly updates her personal website with softcore, lesbian, hardcore, and light fetish sets. At present, there are fifteen published DVDs starring Raven Riley for sale through her online store. In what is a solo-girl tradition, Riley has also cameoed on several other adult websites, including Misty Anderson, and Kate's Playground.

What awards? What's the website? When is "present"? Link to the website.

All information above except the Kate's Playground and Misty Anderson statement have been published in AVN Online Magazine. jaYManCash, which Raven Riley is part-owner of, started up a new venture, Evil Motion Pictures. The goal for Evil Motion Pictures is to break into the horror genre of mainstream movie making.

This is poor citing. "All of the above" doesn't work well in a constantly-changing article. You've got an example of proper citing at the end of this paragraph, now use that to cite individual facts above.

-FunnyMan 19:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

Considering that this lacks adequate sourcing and doesn't have even uncited assertions that would suggest qualification under WP:BIO or the subpage for pornographic actors, I don't see any reason to keep this article. I am surprised that this has been around as long as it has. Right now it is simply acting as a promotional extension. Of course, I'm not going to actually search for this one, but if you can find significant reliable independent sources on this person that satisfy the primary WP:BIO criterion, the deletion tag can be removed. Cheers. The Behnam 19:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

This does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion. It has already gone through an AFD with no consensus reached. You are welcome to nominate it again for AFD.—Ocatecir ^Talk 19:52, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

To be specific, speedy deletion only happens when there is no assertion of notability; in other words if the article makes no claim for why this person is noteworthy it can be deleted. As soon as any specific claim (correct or otherwise) for notability is made, it cannot be speedied. In this case the claim is "she has won several awards for her movies and photos". As Ocatecir says, you'd need to start another WP:AFD discussion to test the merit of the notability claim. Gwernol 20:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

It seems that the Afd had little turn out and the 'keep' votes were rather detached from policy. I'm surprised that was closed as 'no consensus,' since it isn't about the vote but rather about the policy. I may or may not pursue AfD. It isn't my line of interest really, and I don't want to do research, but still, it doesn't qualify under policy. Perhaps you can bring it up to standard without me having to AfD it? The Behnam 20:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quitting the Business

Not sure how to word it or add it to the wiki page. But it is official: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=830244