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Contents 1 Jyllands-Posten 2 The Oresund Region 3 The Stockholm metroregion = Stockholm county? 4 The one-hour-drive/commuting-time-rule

[edit] Jyllands-Posten

Despite obvious disagreements about the wording of the aricle, I want to say that I appreciate your work and expansion on the article. Your style of arguing substantially before and while editing is worthy of imitation! Keep up the work! Bertilvidet 17:08, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes we obviously disagreed quite strongly on that one :-) But thank you for the words and the match :-)

Hi, I've seen your contribution to the J-Posten article. I would like to make some personal questions. How do the radical islamists get away with everything in Denmark, even after the cartoon plot? How do a child-beating son of a bitch like Akkari gets away and the teacher gets fired? Is the Denmark government mashochistic or has the politically correct attitude escalated to such a peak? 201.19.139.187 00:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

They are still here, benefitting from the Danish welfare system. A funny story by the way: As he was recently visiting his native land, Akkari got caught up in the lebanese-israeli conflict. His Danish passport gave him a safe and quick free trip out of the mess :-) Sometimes it is apparently almost acceptable to be Danish... --Rasmus81 10:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Oresund Region

I saw your removal of Scandinavian comparison in the article about Copenhagen. I don't really care about whether the comparison should be there or not. Together with Malmo there is no doubt that this is the largest metropolitan area in Scandinavia. However, there is an obvious problem here since according to the article about Öresund region, the region has about 3,6 million inhabitants and according to you it is 2,5-3 million. According to the list about the largest metroareas in the european union, Copenhagen-Malmo has 2,379,237 inhabitants (i.e Malmo metro 600,000 + Cph metro almost 1,800,000). This is of course less than 2,5 million. So according to you the Metropolitan area of the Oresund region is smaller than the Oresund region it self (according to political definition) but larger than the merged metro areas of Cph and Malmo. My only conclusion is that you have included the Helsingborg metropolitan area which has about 300,000 inhabitants according to the wikipedia article (I have not yet verfied this figure). This area is defined as the area within a 30 km radius from the city center (this is not an official metro area). This limitation might of course intrude a little on the malmo-metro-area so the figure is perhaps slightly smaller. Considering a metropolitan area consisting if Copenhagen, Malmo and Copenhagen you could probably count to about 2,6+ million inhabitants. I realize that when you speak about Oresund Region, you mean the coastal region close the the Oresund straight (e.g not the eastern part of Scania or Bornholm). This is how I spontanously would define this (possible multicentric metropolitan) area. Officially and on the wikipedia article it counts in a lot more area. I think it is important to clarify this distinction. I have had a hard time figuring out how the north-eastern rural part Scania could be considered a metropolitan area as suggested earlier. What do you think about some clarifications? Kind regards Nirro 20:25, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

My problem was, that to my knowledge no real data concerning the metro area exist. The definition of a metro-area as I have heard is the commute time from outskirts to the center of the region, that should not be more than one hour. 2,5-3 is purely guesswork, and as such it should not really be in wikipedia, but I did not really now what to do. The number 3,6 is not the metro-area as I see it, it is the whole region all the way from northeastern Skåne to Nakskov. I really do not know how we should find a valid statistic, but I think the number you have dug up, 2,379,237, could serve as a good solution untill a better definition shows up. vh --Rasmus81 12:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Stockholm metroregion = Stockholm county?

Hi Rasmus81, The link I provided earlier results from elections 2006 is problematic since it doesn't say explicitly that Storstockholm = Stockholm county. It just show maps of the three Swedish metropolitan regions. I have however found a better link from SCB [1] sid 24 explicitly answering this question. I tried to insert this reference into the Stockholm article [2], but somehow I failed :/ . Venlig hilsen Nirro 17:46, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, maybe you should delete some text in Greater Stockholm to avoid misunderstandings. --Rasmus81 23:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The one-hour-drive/commuting-time-rule

Hi! Since I hadn't anything to do today ;), I calculated how large the metropolitan regions of Copenhagen and Stockholm would be if we took into account that the commuting time were not allowed to take longer than one hour. To be correct, I included whole municipalities/communes whose main urban center were one hour or closer to the metropolitan center. The way of transportation was car or train. The durations in car is my estimates from distance measurement in Google earth. The commuting durations in train was dug up from [[3]] and [[4]]. The starting point was always the city-center: Hovedbanegården or Stockholms centralstation For Copenhagen, following areas were included:

-Hovedstadsregionen except the municipality of Bornholm

-Region Själland except the municipalities of

Guldborgsund, Kalundborg, Lolland, Nästved, Slagelse and Vordingsborg

-The Swedish municipalities of

Malmö, Vellinge, Lomma, Lund, Svedala, Trelleborg, Kävlinge and Staffanstorp.

For Stockholm, these following areas were included:

-Stockholm county (even Norrtälje which can be reached within appr. 50 minutes in car)

-The municipalities of

Trosa, Gnesta, Nyköping, Oxelösund, Strängnäs, Eskilstuna, Uppsala, Knivsta, Håbo, Enköping, Västerås, and Flen.

-Municipalities that falled just outside the one-hour-margin (with 0-15 minutes) and therefore not included:

Norrköping and Gävle with 218.391 inhabitants together

According to my calculations:

The population of Metropolitan Copenhagen: 2.545.645

The population of Metropolitan Stockholm: 2.545.189

So this would mean that Metropolitan Copenhagen would have 456 more inhabitants than Stockholm.

Mvh Nirro 17:23, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I am at work, and I have therefore nothing to do as well, and as far as im concerned, Gävle is as far as way from Stockholm as Odense is from Copenhagen, so lets forget all about just parafrasing that one. Skurup and Slagelse have by the way commuting time under one hour, so why leave them out?

And if you want to include Nyköping, Västerås, Oxelösund, Strängnäs, Eskilstuna, Flen (1 hour 40 min by car!!!) which all have a distance from Stocholm of over or approximately 90 km, and commuting time of over 1 hour, you will also have to include Helsingborg, Landskrona, Eslöv, Korsør, Næstved, Vordingborg (all of these can be compared to the cities you mention) to Copenhagen. Sorry, I dont give much for your so-called "survey" :-) --Rasmus81 09:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry that my answer is so late. To point out: I excluded Norrköping and Gävle from the calculation. The generally fastest way to commute in Stockholm is to let the car stay in the garage. According to [[5]], the train to Uppsala takes 35 - 40 min and runs each 15 minutes in rush hour. The train to Västerås takes 55 - 60 min and runs every 30 min in rush hour. You were right about Nyköping, Flen (and thereby Oxelösund) and Eskilstuna, which are at a distance of 60-65 min and trains run each 30 - 60 min in rush hour. With my calculation, I also wanted to point out that although Storstockholm is vast, it really functions as Metropolitan area. The satellites mentioned are not part of the Storstockholm region but people commute nevertheless to a large extent. The Uppsala-pendeln runs with 10 wagon-train that are packed in rush hour. From the other satellites there are well crowded two-floor-trains running (2-5 wagons). I haven't found any statistics on this topic but my impression is that a far larger number commutes between e.g Uppsala and Stockholm than over the bridge. Regarding the Öresund region people commute from Malmö to Copenhagen but generally not from any other Swedish areas. To include the vast area of 2,5 million (or 2,8) in the metropolitan area, it can only be considered as a multicentric metrpolitan area (or perhaps a very small magalopolis). MVhNirro (talk) 00:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)