Talk:Rashid Minhas
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I want to let it be known that I have tried to discuss both sides to this interesting tale. I hope that people on both sides can learn from it
??? bit of a cryptic message above t ali 28/01/06
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I changed "War with India" to Bangladesh Liberation War, as the war with India didn't officially start until December 3. What caused the plane to crash is not known with certainty to this day. Speculations range from a struggle between the two officers, to friendly fire by Indian forces. So, I reworded the "Minhas realized that ..." part adding the note about that. Thanks. --Ragib 06:11, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
- Reply to Ragib: How could the plane be shot down by Indian forces if it was found 40km from the Indian border? That possibility can be safely ruled out.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dargay (talk • contribs)
- Comment, remember, India and Pakistan were at (unofficial) war at that time. --Ragib 01:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Reply to Ragib: The plane wreckage was 40km inside Pakistani territory, that means it was not shot down during any "unofficial" war. Among speculation the theory of struggle between the two men is more plausible.
Ragib reverted my edit (Cisguy)... "What caused the plane to crash is not known with certainty to this day." OK. that was a real cowardly act by MutiurRahman, a treator, who kidnapped a young boy of 21. You cannot justify this and it is a fact that Rashid Minhas himself crashed the plane.. His last words are recorded (You can find it on google) in which he said he is taking the plane down. :struggle between the two officers" it was not a struggle, one was chloroformed and the other was a kid. Be Real and see the fact and revert my old edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cisguy (talk • contribs)
- Thanks for your message. Who is a traitor, and who is a hero, depends on what side you are in. There hasn't been *any* proof that Minhas crashed the plane. If you quote a Pakistani patriotic source, it is also possible to quote a Bangladeshi patriotic source that makes Minhas look like a villain. I don't say so, and both of these persons were equally patriotic, and victims of a meanlingless war of a Military junta against its own people. Both of them are heroes in their own right, and keeping things neutral is the best thing we could do for their memories. Thanks. --Ragib 03:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Thanks. 1971 was a tragedy, because Bengalis did opt for a unified homeland in 1947. But I guess the liberation of Bangladesh was inevitable. Anyway, I really feel sad about Minhas, considering his age, and equally sad for Matiur Rahman, a father of two young girls. Both of them are heroes. Thanks. --Ragib 03:14, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Ragib if you wanted to be neutral, you should not have replaced "war with India" to "Bangladesh Libertion War". A fairest label would be "Pakistani Civil War of 1971". "Bangladesh Libertion War" makes it sound like West Pakistan was an imperial occupier, while in fact it was a civil war. I request that you make that change to be fair. Thanks - Irfan Butt 4:11PM, 24 October, 2006.
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- Well, the war is more commonly, and also officially known as "Bangladesh Liberation War". Thank you. --Ragib 20:42, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I have changed the page slightly by removing the sentence "either rehman crasehed the plane" because no one has ever made this claim, not even the bangladesh govt.PAF's official version says that Minhas crashed the plane. Other versions either uphold this view or say that the plane crashed due to the struggle between the two pilots.--Shahin-e-Iqbal
[edit] External Links
Hello Ragib, thanks for your comments. I went through the last few edits and have noted quite a few additions and subsequent deletions of 2 links to Internet Discussion forums that I added in my last edit to this article. My thoughts, which were something very similar when I first put the links in place, are as follows -
1. The basic principle behind Wikipedia is also like that of an internet discussion forum, where users share their thoughts and exchange ideas in a recordable form. The main difference is that , while in an Internet discussion forum, the changes are not overwritten, in wikipedia, they can be overwritten. I therefore disagree to your comments that "these are not really articles, rather forum discussions" and "Please link to an article. Discussion in an Internet forum is not encyclopedic". Wikipeida is based on the same principles. Moreover the first of the 2 Internet Discussion Forum webpage has actually some very good and factual information on the incident.
2. I have moved these 2 links to the new heading of External Links now, from the earlier heading of References. I have also clearly mentioned that these are Internet Group Discussions and not articles.
Please do let me know your thoughts on this.
In pursuit of getting it right, I have actually ended up editing the article a couple of time in the space of the last few minutes. Do excuse me for this. Jordy 13:52, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
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- Oops ! Sorry, I did have 2 different links, infact they were 2 different Internet Discussion Forum webpages. I am sorry to have made the mistake of linking 2 same pages. I will fish out the other Internet Discussion Forum webpage.Jordy 13:57, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
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