User talk:Ran

Contents 1 territorial disputes 2 1938 Yellow River flood 3 Xiandai Hanyu changyong zibiao 4 Vandalism in Manchuria, Jurchen, and Jin Dynasty, 1115-1234 articles 5 Identification_of_the_varieties_of_Chinese 6 Moving Standard Mandarin 7 Demographics of mainland China 8 Image:ROC PRC comparison eng.jpg 9 New article idea 10 Jurchens 11 Image:PRC-2002.png 12 List of administrative divisions of Yunnan 13 Need your help! 14 What is going on here? 15 Congrats 16 Huaiyang cuisine 17 Advertising 18 Image tagging for Image:Taipei City emblem.png 19 Orphaned fair use image (Image:Taipei City emblem.png) 20 Use of fair use images 21 Postal System Pinyin 22 Muchas gracias 23 WP:IFD for Image:Baekje power.jpg 24 Gojoseon, Nangnang et al. 25 Thank you for supporting my RfA 26 Kprideboi 27 Young Pioneers of China 28 What do you think... 29 ... Taiwan 30 Bit of an emergency: V for Vendetta (film) 31 Jan Wong 32 Taichung 33 Article about Wikipedia Users 34 Peoples Republic of China 34.1 = 35 Reorganization Agent of Korean History 36 Chinese surnames categories up for deletion 37 Taiwanese people 38 Edits 39 the Jin language 40 Orphaned fair use image (Image:&-20013;&-33775;&-27665;&-22283;&-20840;&-22294;.jpg) 41 maps 42 STOP REVERTING! 43 HDI Lists 44 STOP DELETING MY CONTENT AND STOP REVERTING WHAT I WROTE! 45 what a lie. 46 Village pump 47 SummerThunder 48 Mainland China, again.. 49 Lebanon HDI 50 HDI editing 51 HI, please check your email 52 Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/ran 53 Sockpuppet 54 Hey there 55 Buddha's delight 56 Zhajiang mian 57 Hanzi question 58 Need Japanese pronunciation 59 EU page 60 Orphaned fair use image (Image:Taipei City emblem.png) 61 Need tone mark 62 AfD nomination of List of countries by Human Development Index, 2005 63 Sweet and sour pork 64 Biwa 65 History of Islam in China 66 Japanese berries 67 Chrysanthemum tea 68 Snake oil#United States 69 Anisodus 70 Lingzhou 71 Thanks 72 Fortune cookie 73 Crab rangoon 74 Pinyin 75 Literal meaning 76 Question 77 Shuochang 78 Yunbai 79 ROC/PRC 80 Longlin Various Nationalities Autonomous County 81 Yuyan and his descendants 82 Gyegu/Yushu 83 Doubanjiang 84 Tauchu 85 苏杭 86 Question 87 Li vs. mei liquor 88 Japanese fruit wines 89 De'e 90 Subgum 91 User:Arigato101 92 Northern and southern China 93 Disappearing Lake in Guangxi Province! 94 Southern dialects borrowing from Tai and Austronesian 95 Please help to protect my userpage 96 Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Certified.Gangsta-Ideogram 97 Beijing Subway 98 Tibet 99 Pingtang County 100 sarcelles revisted. 101 Ginger milk curd 102 Xianbi 103 Huamei 104 Pinyin needed at Sugarcane juice 105 Wendi Deng 106 Gejia/Hakka 107 Talk:Yellow soybean paste 108 Tofu box 109 Talk:Hui (linguistics) 110 胡月 111 Orphaned non-free image (Image:Google-censorship.jpg) 112 Change of language names 113 TfD nomination of Template:People of the Three Kingdoms 114 九豐記 115 Lyric translation 116 鉤芡 117 Wine 118 really need your help 119 Korean drum 120 Mak Sai Ying 121 Xianfen 122 桂圓 123 Vandalism on Manchuria article 124 梧州蜜枣 125 Need translation 126 桂花陈酒 127 Osmanthus 128 Asian soup 129 Shortest man 130 Juye County 131 Image:Anglican Communion.JPG 132 Tuotuorou 133 Norman Hsu 134 Shichimi 135 Got fan 136 Roasted goose 137 Almond biscuit 138 Ban mian 139 Shouning County 140 Liangguang 141 Chee cheong fun 142 Undistinguished Yi 143 Fuling jiabing 144 Changdao Islands 145 倍革胡等 146 低絃琴等 147 Instruments 148 鹵味 149 Min Nan 150 Thanks for pointing it out. 151 Huamei 152 Soft drink 153 檬粉 154 Invitation to join Ezclopedia 155 Tone 156 rep: Dynasties 157 Shi Tao 158 Death anniversary 159 Moo shu pork 160 曲阜孔府菜 161 WikiProject:CJKV disambiguation pages 162 角 163 觱 164 Whitebait 165 Tone 166 Yuebei 167 Translation 168 Beiguan 169 Pinyin 170 Kou Xiang 171 Tibet and South Asia 172 2006 Canadian election 173 Image copyright problem with Image:Civil Party Taiwan.jpg 174 Re: Templates and images 175 蘇梅酱 176 Anemone chinensis 177 Need Chinese character help 178 219.79.122.72 and Tibet on South Asia 179 Need pinyin 180 料酒王 181 Image needed 182 China National Symphony Orchestra 183 Pinyin 184 Main Page featured article 185 AfD nomination of Han Chinese 186 Speedy deletion of Template:China county list 187 WikiProject Beijing 188 Beijing Subway Map 189 Tibet 190 Tones 191 Need tones

[edit] territorial disputes

Any chance of you checking the dispute between Russia and the US over three islands in the Aleutian Group. The US State Dept. proposed giving them to Russia, but there was a blockage by Congress, and a signed 'backdoor' treaty has not been ratified by the Duma. This leaves the islands (Sea Otter and Copper being two) in a sort of international limbo. As the two governments have stalled on progress on this situation, it's disputed territory! My time on the net is even more limited these days, so please check an add. Thank you! RAYMI 1/9/06 80.68.39.212 09:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1938 Yellow River flood

Hello, thanks for improving my writing on the 1938 Yellow River flood.

You added the <-- contrived? --> tag. As you know, the flood was caused by the Nationalist Government as they physically destructed part of the Yellow River dyke in Huayuankou. The other two disasters listed were also disaster caused by men, that's why I used the word "contrived".

AQu01rius 18:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Xiandai Hanyu changyong zibiao

Thanks for all your hard work on this page. --Arcadian 01:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism in Manchuria, Jurchen, and Jin Dynasty, 1115-1234 articles

The same old users has been vandalize these articles again, please keep an eye on this user, thanks. --Godardesque 20:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Identification_of_the_varieties_of_Chinese

Identification_of_the_varieties_of_Chinese reads like a mishmash of NPOV and.. ummm.. either uninformed or deliberately vague general shtuff. I hesitate even to dip a toe in the page, tho, fearing flame wars by people with purely political motivation.

Are there any actual linguists working on that page? Thanks --Ling.Nut 14:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moving Standard Mandarin

I've started a thread to try to build proper consensus about whether to move Standard Mandarin to a more intuitive and perhaps neutral title or not. I've left this message at your talkpage because you've participated in previous discussions about a possible title change. Please feel free to contribute with your thoughts and arguments at Talk:Standard Mandarin#The move.

Peter ^Isotalo 12:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Demographics of mainland China

Guess you'd be interested with the discussion at talk:demographics of mainland China, on the proposal to change the title of the article. :-) — Instantnood 15:54, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:ROC PRC comparison eng.jpg

Thanks for pointing those out.I double-checked with my Pan-Chinese Encyclopedia (from 1987, when Chiang Ching-kuo was still Prez) and you were right.It's all fixed!Best, Pryaltonian 06:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Whoops, I hadn't realized that I forgot to add the colon and suddenly the whole image appeared.My bad. Pryaltonian 08:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New article idea

Hi Ran. I noticed that you are a major contributor to many articles related to China's administrative divisions, and some excellent maps, and have also shown some interest in editting articles related to China's border disputes and border treaties. Would you be interested in an article on the PRC modeled after this one? It could list the various administrative changes, as well as territorial disputes and changes since 1949. --Yuje 00:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree that China's history is too long and detailed, so I propose limiting it in scope for now to just the PRC and/or ROC for now, to make the work managable. Even, then there will be some work to do, as the PRC had disputes with many of its neighbors. Some were resolved quite early (like with Burma and North Korea), and others resulted in wars, like with India. I think you did a brillian job with your PRC maps, labeling and coloring the various claims by country. If interested, I could start on a draft article on one of our user pages. --Yuje 01:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, so going chronologically, here are some quick notes on the territorial changes with outside states, I'll add more links soon and I'll see if I can find some maps later. Most of these changes are minor, and probably too small to see on a map, but still worth mentioning.

• 1949: PRC is established, territorial claims largely the same as the ROC's (except for maybe Mongolia), rapidly gains control of most of mainland.
• 1950: PRC gains control of Hainan island from the ROC
• 1950: PRC gains control of Tibet,
• 1960: Sino-Burmese border treaty. The ROC and PRC claimed some areas of territory south of the Burmese section of the McMahon line. British administration of Burma directly administrated only ethnic Burmese areas, and indirectly governed other areas. As a result, the administrative borders were considerably south of the McMahon line, while ethnic groups in those areas often paid tribute to both China and Burma. In the 1960 treaty, the PRC largely abandoned such claims and largely accepted the Burmese McMahon line as the border, while Burma ceded three Kachin/Jingpo villages to the Chinese side and recieved a Chinese village. The territories exchanged (see Map No. 2) included Hpimaw-Gawlum-Kangfang (59 square miles) to China, the Namwan Assigned Tract (85 square miles) to Burma and the Panhung-Panlao tribal area (73 square miles) to China.[1][2][3]
• 1960: Border treaty with Nepal, with about 200 mi² disputed, with the PRC largely deferring to Nepali claims. Demarcation continues until 1963. [4]
• 1962: PRC-North Korea border treaty, which sets the previously undemarcated section of the Sino-Korean border along the Changbai mountains. No territorial disputes, however both sides had differeing maps shwing the Changbai mountains as theirs, the treaty set the boundary that divided the Changbai mountains and Lake Tianchi roughly in half between the PRC and DPRK. [5]
• 1962: China-Mongolia border treaty [6]
• 1962: Sino-Indian war, which resulted in the modern Line of Control.
• 1963: Pakistan transfer control of the Trans-Karakoram Tract to China.
• 1964: Demarcation of border with Mongolia finished.
• 1969: Border treaty with Afghanistan. No territorial disputes, but the border was demarcated. [7]
• 1969: Sino-Soviet border clashes.
• 1974: Battle of Hoang Sa, the PRC gains control of the Paracel Islands from South Vietnam
• 1979: Sino-vietnamese war. No border changes.
• 1991: Sino-Soviet border agreement, right before the collapse of the USSR. Demarcation work begins
• 1992: China and Kyrgyzstan begin border negorations over five disputed former Qing areas.
• 1994: China and Kazakhstan border agreement, two disputed areas remain.
• 1996: Border agreement with Kyrgyzstan. Settles disputes in four disputed areas, dividing them up largely 50-50 for each side. Not sure of the details. One disputed border area remains.
• 1997: Hong Kong made a Special Administrative Region.
• 1998: Disputes with Kazakhstan settled. 940 km² of Kazakh-administered territory still remained disputed in the two areas of Shagan-Oba and Saryshilde. In the agreement, 56% of this disputed area was kept by Kazakhstan and 44% handed to China.
• 1999: Macau made a Special Administrative Region.
• 1999: Kyrgyz-China supplementary agreement. 950 km² remained disputed in the Bedel area. In the agreement, 70% of Bedel remained with Kyrgzstan while 950 km² went to China, and the border near Mt. Khantengri was demarcated.
• 1999: By 1999, all changes in the negotiated 1991 Sino-Russian Border Agreement put into place. Complex agreement with hundreds of border islands changing sides (see article for details), but major changes include the transfer of Zhenbao Island and Mekeseli to China.
• 1999: China and Tajikistan border agreement. Some disputed areas remain. Not sure of the exact details.
• 1999: Border agreement with Vietnam, which demarcates both the land border and sea border. Details on the agreement haven't been released
• 2002: Supplementary border agreement with Tajikistan. China had territorial claims on 28,000 km² of former Qing land in the Pamir mountains of Tajikistan, amounting to ~1/7 of Tajikistan's total land area. In the border agreement, about 1,000 km² is ceded to China in exchange for China relinquishing claims on the rest.
• 2004: Supplementary Sino-Russian border agreement. Abagaitu and part of Heixiazi handed to China.

Maps: (Some are by the uS Dept of State, so they can be freely used)

• China-USSR disputed territory maps: [8][9]
• China-Burma border maps: [10][11]
• Kyrgyzstan [12]
• No boundary changes, disputes, or treaties with Laos, whose shared border has stayed the same since 1895. [13]
• Not sure about the borders with Bhutan[14].

--Yuje 10:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I think working backwards is a good idea. The further back, the more complicated it gets and the more changes you'll have to make on your base map. The most recent ones should be pretty easy to do, with China giving up most of its claims on Kyrgystan (an area larger than the Aksai Chin), and gaining the Hong Kong and Macau. As for which changes require maps, perhaps Hong Kong ( 1,103 km²) can be used as a good starting benchmark. Any changes equal or larger in area should be definitely depicted on maps, while smaller changes aren't as visible and can be worked on later if desired. --Yuje 08:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

This map shows the territory in Kyrgystan and Tajikistan that China originally claimed. The Kyrgystan portion of it was about 28,000 km², but after settling the dispute, China withdrew the claims and got about 1,000 km² (about the size of Hong Kong SAR). Pg. 108-109 of this article gives a map of one of the three areas that China ended up getting, but I haven't found a map of the two areas. The areas China recieved are probably too small to show up as border changes, but China's previous claims should be highlighted on older maps as disputed territories, I think. --Yuje 12:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Oops, you're right, the Kyrgystan border was relatively small. It was Tajikistan, not Kyrgyzstan, which had China's 28,000 km² claim. I got the two confused. Mea culpa! Sorry for the confusion. The bottom right corner of this map shows the area of the Pamir mountains (which lie in Kyrgystan and Tajikistan), which China had claims on.--Yuje 15:08, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

For borders which weren't demarcated but on which there was no real dispute, perhaps borders could be represented with a dotted or semi-solid line instead of a solid line to indicate an undemarcated but approximate de-facto border? Like this--Yuje 02:28, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Here's another useful reading which covers a pretty good background on the issue. The particular disputes over the Central Asian borders are described on pg. 14-21.--Yuje 05:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe the Spratley islands as a whole should just be marked as disputed with a note that various islands are claimed and occupied by various countries. Since there's no dominant power or agreements between any of the countries involved, the current claiments' and occupants' hold on the islands is still tenuous and ephemeral. By the way, it does look like the claims on the western Soviet borders (Tajikistan, et al) were active claims, and not just disagreements from inaccurate maps. In most cases with other countries over disputed areas, they were solved by splitting the difference or by accepting the smaller portion. In some cases, like the Wakhan corridor in Afghanistan, they had basis for claiming a further border but chose to accept the defacto line. I found a few other well researched sources, which include details, maps, and in some cases statistics on the various border agreements, but their online access is restricted. I can either email them to you, or try finding some webspace to upload them. --Yuje 05:08, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The Wikipedia email interface doesn't allow attachments, so I'm going to try finding some webspace to host them (PDF files and jpgs) instead. --Yuje 10:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jurchens

I guess I am not always on the same page as you on certain topics, but this Jurchen/Korean prevert guy is almost amusing. It seems that everybody wants to claim Manchuria.--Niohe 04:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I know, it's kinda pathetic. But we can set things straight if we keep our heads cool. Did you see my little revert war on Shenyang earlier today? It was almost the same thing. I believe in keeping Wikipedia pluralistic.--Niohe 04:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Not just Manchuria and the Jurchens. The Buryat Mongols of Russia, ancient Sumerian civilization, American Indians, Japan, and the ancient dynasties of China were also Korean. [15] This was one of the cited links for Baedalguk. --Yuje 05:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

The edits that you are making to various Manchuria-related topics have already been discussed to death on various talk pages. Yet you keep on inserting changes that have been established as false. Why? If you have issues with the content of articles, why not discuss them in talk pages?

Also, please be aware of the Wikipedia:Three-revert rule. --69.216.19.9 04:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.216.19.9 (talk • contribs)

(For the record, I have not violated the 3RR. Rather, it is User:69.216.19.9 who reverted Gojoseon nine times, Three Gojoseon five times, Manchuria nine times, Jurchens eight times, all within the space of 90 minutes.) -- ran (talk) 04:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:PRC-2002.png

Regarding this map, would it be nice to include a small side map showing the South China Sea islands, or at least a short note like the current map? — Instantnood 22:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of administrative divisions of Yunnan

Hi, I gave this a shot because I want to use this page eventually, but it's hard!Could you or any other Wikipedian help get it in shape?I can't find good reference materials and the template is very difficult to figure out.Badagnani 23:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I'm in awe.How did you do that so fast?Badagnani 03:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

That's an official government source?Thank god the PRC is so well organized.:)I'm doing research on music of the various peoples of Yunnan, so this article is going to be really helpful to me, and I'm sure to thousands of others around the world.Your hard work in "getting this information out to the people" is really going to be appreciated.Badagnani 03:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Looks like the 5 or so provinces that haven't been done yet are the remotest and least trafficked.I guess the fact that you have a source means they'll all get done eventually.Badagnani 03:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need your help!

Hello old friend. :-) I got into a conflict with Snle/Zhang Qiang/918 (all the same person) on three pages: Dalian, Harbin, and Shenyang. Aside from the sockpuppet factor, this user wants to remove the historical names from the intro on the pretext that these are "Chinese cities", but last time I checked, it's common pratice to hvae historical names at the top on WP articles. On the Shenyang page for example, he's removing "Shengjing" and "Mukden", the latter of which is extremely important to ignorant readers who perhaps have read about the Mukden Incident and when the type it in need to confirm whether Shenyang and Mukden are the same city. You see what I'm saying? I was hoping you could help aout by joining-in on the discussing. Thanks man. —Khoikhoi 22:28, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem—perhaps you could protect them (or semiprotect)? He's probably just going to come up with more sockpuppets. —Khoikhoi 23:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

He's probably just going to say that you're not Chinese. ;-) —Khoikhoi 23:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

LOL! :D —Khoikhoi 00:05, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What is going on here?

Hi, I just want to thank you for your timely intervention on the naming-war in Manchuria. I'm starting to wonder what is going on here in Wikipedia, when ostensbily trivial China-related edits lead to edit wars in no time at all. And believe it or not, while doing some rearranging of paragrpahs in the Wangfujing article I have found myself in another naming-conflict on the "proper" naming of 大栅栏. I just coulnd't believe my eyes, but if this is not a joke, pronouning this name "Dazhalan" is offensive to some Beijingren. While this is a truly trivial matter, it would help if you just wrote a line or two on Talk:Wangfujing to bring some sense into the discussion.--Niohe 13:50, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats

[edit] Huaiyang cuisine

Hi, do you have any idea what part of China Huaiyang cuisine is from?The geographical areas are showing up as redlinks.Badagnani 05:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Advertising

Hello, I just want to alert you to the fact that User:Xue hanyu has started what appears to be a massive advertising campaign. I have reversed some of the edits and warned the user, but I don't have the time. Please advise.--Niohe 16:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image tagging for Image:Taipei City emblem.png

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[edit] Use of fair use images

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• Re: [16] and [17]. That's great! It probably makes sense to do it that way anyways, since the Taipei infobox was used only in the article on Taipei. --Durin 19:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Postal System Pinyin

Hi, just wondering if you agree with what's just been done here, with the name change, etc.: Chinese Postal Map RomanizationBadagnani 23:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Muchas gracias

Hey Ran, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent RfA. It succeeded, and I am very grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, please don't hesitate to ask. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, —Khoikhoi 05:07, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:IFD for Image:Baekje power.jpg

I found another overexaggerated map Image:Baekje power.jpg, and it's up for deletion here.This map shows overexaggerated borders for Baekje, similar to Goguryeo h.gif we saw on July 19.Please comment or vote for/against deletion there.Thank you.--Endroit 14:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gojoseon, Nangnang et al.

I agree, and wish I had a bit more energy to put into shutting this silliness down.Unfortunately revert wars are not my cup of tea, so I've only been stepping in when the behavior has been really out of line...These periodic waves of nationalism make me feel very tired. :-)

Nangnang nationis not legit, as far as I can tell.Princess Nangnang should probably have her own article, but there doesn't seem to be much beyond onomastic coincidence to suggest that she might have been princess of Nangnang, or that taesu was some kind of royal title, or that this tiny hypothetical tribe had hereditary kingship.I wonder, though, if this claimmay have some support from North Korean historians, who have long argued that the traditional location of Lelang is too far south.If that's the case, then it would make sense to have an article on the subject, however speculative it may be. I'll see if I can find anything illuminating on my next library trip.

Hairwizard appears to be drawing heavily on the Joseon Sanggosa, which is a fringe text if ever there was one.However, to counter this effectively we need superior sources.My problem is that most of my sources only devote a paragraph or two to Gojoseon, since there's so little that any reputable historian can say on the subject.Faced with this bizarre surge in articles on various non-historical non-entities of prehistoric Korea, I've been at something of a loss.

Anyway, if you want to try to bring these articles back into some kind of alignment with WP:V and WP:NOR, I'll do my best to support that.Cheers, -- Visviva 15:54, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

That seems like a good idea.Unfortunately I'm not an expert either, but will try to hone my references. -- Visviva 04:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Please also check Baekje, particularly the edits by Muluz (talk · contribs) & 66.72.193.4 (talk · contribs).--Endroit 15:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for supporting my RfA

Thank you for supporting my RfA that I have passed with 73/2/1.--Jusjih 09:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kprideboi

my bad, Ran. See, that's what happens when some non-wikipedian breaks the flow of true wikipedians like us. hahahaha. my bad. i'll readdress my loooooooong paragraphs. and i realli wasn't attacking u.. i was trying to discuss with u. haha. sorry bout that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kprideboi (talk • contribs)

who are u referring to at ur new section in the Goguryeo discussion area? is it me? cuz i don't recall saying that. I kno for a fact that the Three kingdoms of Korea sent tribute to several of the dynasties that were established on contemporary Chinese territory. --Kprideboi 23:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

By the way, who is this ABDCK watever his name is? --Kprideboi 23:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Young Pioneers of China

Thanks!I'm a primary school teacher in China now, and I have been pretty perplexed as to the system.ABart26 16:06, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What do you think...

... about this one?The timeline of activity is a little odd -- no edits for months after being welcomed -- and the choice of topics seems a bit too familiar.However, I'm not much good at identifying sockpuppetry.-- Visviva 02:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ... Taiwan

RAN I AM QUITE SURPRISED BY YOU!ON YOUR USER PAGE YOU HAVE THE NATIONAL FLAG OF THE REPUBLIC OF CHINA (TAIWAN), BUT YET YOU SEEM TO BE DOING EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO REVERT ARTICLES AND PUT IN MATERIAL THAT IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE COMMUNIST AGENDA OF THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA.

IT WOULD SEEM THAT YOU ARE NOT LOYAL TO TAIWAN AND ARE A TRAITOR WHO WANTS TO GIVE UP THE ROC (TAIWAN) AND KISS THE BUTT OF THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA AND UNIFY WITH A COMMUNIST COUNTRY THAT SLAUGHTERED THEIR OWN COLLEGE STUDENTS AT TIANNENMAN SQUARE, THAT CREATED A FAMINE DURING THE CULTURAL REVOLUTION, STARTED BY THE BASTARD MAO, WHICH ENDED UP KILLING ACCORDING CIA ESTIMATES AROUND 100 MILLION INNOCENT CHINESE CIVILIANS.THE REPUBLIC OF CHINA (TAIWAN) ON THE OTHER HAND IS NOT PERFECT, BUT AT LEAST IT IS A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY, AND THEIR TAIWANESE CITIZENS HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THINGS FOR THE BENEFIT OF TAIWANESE SOCIETY AS A WHOLE, UNLIKE COMMUNIST CHINA!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.51.199.173 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Bit of an emergency: V for Vendetta (film)

Would it be possible to obtain a translation of this article?

[[18]]

I'd like to include it into the V for Vendetta (film) article, which will go front page tomorrow, if there is any important information in it.Nothing fancy, just a summary would be great.Thank you.Hope you get this message.

--P-Chan 17:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you.--P-Chan 03:43, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jan Wong

Would you look at [19] and correct it if necessary. Fred Bauder 09:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taichung

Can you please help me keep an eye on the recently returned vandals on this page.Ludahai 08:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article about Wikipedia Users

Hello,

Wikipedia user David Badagnani directed me to your user page.I am a freelance writer working on an article about the wide array of people who make Wikipedia their life, their passion, their pastime.Wikipedia “addicts” if you will.I’m looking for people just willing to tell their story of how they got sucked into the intellectual whirlwind that is Wikipedia; how you got started editing, how the obsession grew, and what you spend your time focusing on these days?Do you write articles from scratch?Is your main push toward one particular type of article?Do you patrol for typos and errors, or spend your time diligently fixing vandalism?Do you take part in the “social aspects” of Wikipedia; engaging in animated discussions or decorating your user page with all sorts of internet memes?Have you ever forced yourself to take a “Wikipedia break”?If so, what’s your 20/20 hindsight on the obsession?Basically I’m just trying to get an idea of what it’s like for various Wikipedia “addicts.”If you are interested in participating, please email me at brianwrites@gmail.com

If anybody else, other than this user is interested in participating, feel free to email me as well.This article is intended to be a light informational piece, nothing too heavy or controversial, just merely introducing readers to a subculture that they likely had no idea existed.So please don’t email me with your conspiracy theories, or your grudge against the Wikipedia hierarchy… unless it directly applies to your overall experience with the site.This article is about the USERS, not about the pros and cons of the site itself.

Thanks,

Brian68.39.158.205 01:38, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peoples Republic of China

Hello Ran, I'm kind of new to this and I don't know any other way to contact you. I see you keep changing the edits I made to the economy section of Peoples Republic of China and I keep wondering why. I even had to make an account just so it wouldn't happen but you still did. You do good work and all, I've seen some of the changes you've made on other pages but deleting the facts that I'm adding just doesn't make sense to me. All I said was "the trade imbalance between China and western countries exist due to the fact that highly advanced technological goods and military arms are not sold to China and the value of the yuan does not have that much to do with it". If you think my writing wasn't any good you can just edit it to your liking but to delete it all seems very strange. Anyways keep up the good work in the other areas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oh Canada604 (talk • contribs)

[edit] =

Hey Ran, thanks for getting back to me. I really need to learn how to use this system. I don't know if this is the proper channel to reply you but here you go:

"The US trade deficit with China will greatly reduce if the US lifts high-tech-export restrictions to China" (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/HD01Cb05.html).

"The US reluctance to sell some high-tech products to China also greatly contributed to the bilateral trade imbalance. Policy-makers should not pretend they do not understand the facts..." (https://montgomery.portalvault.com/Default.aspx?pageMode=control&pageModeType=NewsArticleControl&pageModeParam=&storyId=100288624)

If you know about US and EU policy toward China you'll know that the US has a ban on high-tech items both lethal and non-lethal while the EU has a ban on high tech lethal items to China. Please add these changes if you wish or let me know and I will add them. It will give a more balanced view on the topic since the section makes it seem like it's the value of the yuan thats causing the trade imbalance but it's really not.

[edit] Reorganization Agent of Korean History

I believe User:Hairwizard91 uploaded a fabricated image (again) and falsified information into the above mentioned page.The details are in the talk page.May I ask you and User:Nihonjoe for an opinion, and possibly comment in Talk:Reorganization Agent of Korean History?And will you please advise me if there is anything that can be done to prevent people from doing this kind on thing.Thank you.--Endroit 19:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chinese surnames categories up for deletion

A new editor has just added a number of categories for Chinese surnames, which I believe to be very useful, particularly in grouping individuals with a common surname but who use various romanizations.As is usually the case at the Categories for Deletion area, the people who frequent that place generally try to delete every new category, regardless of whether they understand its use.In this case, they seem not to understand the utility of being able to have a category for everyone with the name "Liu," for example.Please voice your opinion here.Badagnani 03:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

You might be also interested in this discussion: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lǐ_(李)_(surname). Yao Ziyuan 04:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taiwanese people

Hi Ran, I think you might be interested in this article. An anonymous user 71.106.x.x (a Taiwanese) insists Yueh people and therefore Hoklo and Hakka of Taiwan are ethnic Taiwanese, not ethnic Chinese. I noticed your edit in Demographics of Taiwan that you mentioned Yueh people were already sinicized before the 17th century migration to Taiwan. Would you care to add your views to the Talk:Taiwanese people? — Nrtm81 06:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with 71.106.x.x? He has admitted to pushing political view ("Taiwanese nationalism"). He doesn't even register an account nor participate in the WikiProject Taiwan. He's just become a nuisance who doesn't want to co-operate. — Nrtm81 00:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The aborigines on Taiwan are being Sinicized as we speak. Are you also going to call them Han Chinese in 25 years when they've all forgotten their local tongue? 71.106.151.242 06:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Ran,

This Taiwanese People page is upsetting a lot of people due to the politicized nature of the topic. Much of the material is reliant on a particular political reading of ethnicity, history, culture, and linguistics. Other parts are POV. A couple sections mention purity, but I do not see any way we can conclude the authenticity or purity of people. If we continue a discussion using terms like "pure" or "pure-blood", we suggest there is conversely impure. I don't think any one here can demonstrate the purity of any group of people dating back to a primordial authenticity. This is page is using false logic. Then we have problems with defining Han and non-Han/ Chinese and non-Chinese. A lot of writers are treating Han as a genetic marker or a fixed identity. Most independent studies show this is false as Han relies on outward practice of Confucian culturalism. Traditionally, Han was used as a marker between levels of perceived "civilization" by the "civilized center". It was possible for all people, including Europeans, to become Han if they demonstrated the "hua" of being civilized or Han. Those who did not practice confucian culturalism were hence Fan or savage... not men. The concept of race did not even enter the Chinese lexicon until the late 19th century, borrowing the term "minzu" from the Japanese. "Race" was seen as essential by Chinese Nationalists to establishing the Chinese nation and if you look at the constitutions of both the PRC and the ROC, you can see the importance they placed on "minzu" and teaching "minzu" to the citizens of the nation. Without this education, "minzu" would not be imagined by the citizens. Then there is the problem of conflicting definitions of Han by both the PRC and the ROC. Regardless, it becomes a political question. Then there is the question of whether people who are being laimed as Han are still Han... If it has been shown that Han can be entered it can also be exited. In places around the world where the KMT did not set up a Hua Qiao office to promote Chineseness, thedescendents of Han immigrants have assimilated into local populations. I suggest the page on Taiwanese people be totally re-written. I suggest the following materials: Statecraft and Political Economy on the Taiwan Frontier-By John Shepherd, Is Taiwan Chinese-By Melissa Brown, Taiwan's Imagined Geography-By Emma Teng, Under an Imperial Sun-By Faye Yuan Kleeman, Chinatown Nomore-By Chen Hsiang-Shui, The Discourse of Race in Modern China-By Frank Dikotter, The Predicament of Culture-By James Clifford, A Translucent Mirror-By Pamela K. Crossley, History in Three Keys-By Paul A. Cohen, China Off Center by ed. Susan D. Blum and Lionel M. Jenson, Becoming Japanese-By Leo T.S. Ching, Cultural Encounters on China's Ethnic Frontiers ed. Stevan Harrell, Ways of Being Ethnic in Southwest China- By Stevan Harrell, Contemporary Taiwanese Cultual Nationalism-By Hsiau A-chin, Culture, Self and Adaptation-By Hsu Mutsu, Collective Rights of Indigenous People-By Jolan Hsieh, Negotiating Ethnicities In China and Taiwan-ed. Melissa Brown, Taiwan In Perspective-ed. Wei-Chin Lee, Decolonizing Methodologies by Linda Tuhiiwai Smith, Orientalism-by Edward Said, Culture and Imperialism- By Edward Said, The Location of Culture -by Himi K. Bhabha, Imagined Communities-By Benedict Anderson... to name a few.

Much of the page is driven by emotional opinions or political thought without an underpinning of social theory, which, if we do not want to politicize our article, should provide the foundationsof the material.

[edit] Edits

Whether you intended to be POV or not, your original edits did delete a small but important piece of information. I re-organised your latest change a little bit - I think it's an overall improvement on the status of the article before you came along. John Smith's 15:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] the Jin language

Hi Ran, I read with interest that you wrote some Jin dialects make a three-way distinction in its demonstratives. Is it similar to the Japanese system? Could you write more on this? Thanks! Shingrila 04:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] maps

Hi,

Some time ago we worked on translating the map of administrative divisions of the PRC into Hebrew. I need to make some changes there so I'd be happy if you could send me the .psd of that map and also that of the ethnic Tibetan autonomous entinties. Thanks UncleMatt 23:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] STOP REVERTING!

which part is NOT true?!

Moderators from mailand China

Even though Wikipedia is blocked in mainland China, it actually has the largest number of moderators for the Chinese Wikipedia.

The capital city - Beijing actually has 6, Shanghai has 6, Guangdong province has 6, Hunan province has 1, Jiangsu province has 3, Shanxi province has 1, Shandong province has 1, Zhejiang province has 1, Heilongjiang province has 1, Hubei has 1, other areas has 2. Total of 29.[12]

[edit] Controversies

According to International Herald Tribune Asia-Pacific:"on sensitive questions of China's modern history or on hot-button issues, the Chinese version diverges so dramatically from its English counterpart that it sometimes reads as if it were approved by the censors themselves." [13] —Preceding unsigned comment added by SummerThunder (talk • contribs)

So at what point do we stop repeating ourselves explaining that you can't call people government spies and just have him blocked for gross NPA violation? --tjstrf talk 02:52, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

You are a sysop. If you feel you are too involved in the situation, there are a thousand others that could be consulted. I do not see any benefit to allowing Summer to continue his conspiracy flinging. --tjstrf talk 03:01, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HDI Lists

I've noticed some HDI scores being averages of 2003 and 2004. If you can help me double check the true 2003 and 2004 scores that would be great. Thanks. ArchonMeld

[edit] STOP DELETING MY CONTENT AND STOP REVERTING WHAT I WROTE!

STOP DELETING MY CONTENT AND STOP REVERTING WHAT I WROTE! that includes Chinese Wikipedia and Blocking of Wikipedia in mainland China--SummerThunder 05:01, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

and why did you delete the list of the moderators on chinese wikipedia? why are you trying to hide the truth? --SummerThunder 05:11, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] what a lie.

you wrote: "indeed any intention for such practice at Chinese Wikipedia will be denounced by most Chinese Wikipedians." just read what I wrote. and what they wrote in village pump misc. --SummerThunder 05:09, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Village pump

Actually, I have been reading the whole discussion this entire time. :-) I just saw the part "let's condemn the hell out of the Chinese editors", and I couldn't stop reading. However, because I don't know Chinese, I can't say for certain how POV some articles are, like the one about Mao Zedong. Anyways, I don't really see why they're posting this here - this is the English Wikipedia and there's nothing we can do to help them on zh.wiki (except for the Chinese-speakers). If they have concerns they can go to meta or try the mailing list. I guess the way to resolve the situation is ask them what specifically they want, what we can do to help them. They say the Chinese Wikipedia admins censor information that opposes the government's view, but of course you've proven them wrong on several of their points. Why don't you try talking with the other zh.wiki admins about unblocking SummerThunder, on the condition that he uses the discussion pages whenever he wants to revert something. This might work. BTW, are some of the stuff that French said about the Chinese Wikipedia true? Besides all that, I enjoyed reading the threads at the village pump, especially the part about Tibet (reminds me of when I first joined), the Dalai Lama, and the Nangpa La killings. Ciao, Khoikhoi 07:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

And indeed, I've just had to extend his block for 48 hours because he kept evading it through different IPs...*sigh*.

I wish we could teach him what the concept of a "block" is. BTW, thanks for clarifying on French, and happy new years! Khoikhoi 10:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow, thank you very much. Now I feel enlightened. ;-) Khoikhoi 04:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SummerThunder

If SummerThunder continues with the personal rants, the blocks will be extended.User:Zoe|(talk) 19:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I extended the block on SummerThunder to indefinite yesterday due to continued block evasion, though since then I've been led to believe that he was heading for one even without that, and he's showing no sign of wanting to return to his account so far. I've also archived the Chinese Wikipedia threads on WP:VPM. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 12:26, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mainland China, again..

Would you be interested to response to user:SchmuckyTheCat's claiming (at CfD [20]) that the term mainland China is political and is biased? By the way, you may perhaps be interested to take part in a relevant discussion at talk:categorisation (and take a look at the [21] presented). — Instantnood 22:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Re [22] - Thanks so much. :-D — Instantnood 21:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lebanon HDI

Hi, I was just wondering why you changed the year to 2004? —LestatdeLioncourt 21:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HDI editing

I think that the HDI list you edit doesn't make since for the stats of the 2006 report,for instance,instead of the numbers,you place arrows and line instead,I think that you should use both methods instead.

[edit] HI, please check your email

hi, Ran, I just wrote you an email. please check your mailbox. Thanks. --Theodoranian 17:06, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/ran

You may be interested in the closing of this. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 20:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sockpuppet

Template:Originated Talk Sadly, in order to avoid an accusation of sockpuppeting, I (my name is actually Daniel Folsom) and a friend (who didn't want to be identified) work under one account. The latter is currently taking a vacation with his family, but the will be back in 3 weeks, when upon I will show him his error, I'm sorry that accusation was made,--Danielfolsom 23:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Correction:I have sent him a email (through his blackberry) and he has given me a page of his reasons, I'll post it once I check it out.--Danielfolsom 23:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey there

So, apparently I'm you, so hi there. :-) Seriously, this is weird that someone would think we're the same user, for all the same reasons you listed on that talk page (did no one notice I write about Haydn, which you and Cowman do not write about?) Anyway, I hope all this blows over with no trouble, but at any rate, thanks for making the argument against the idea we're the same person. Heimstern Läufer 00:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Buddha's delight

Hi, I need help with the transliteration of 罗汉全斋 at Buddha's delight (three pinyins for 全 are given at Wiktionary).Also, if you could take a look at the article itself that would be great.I've done a lot of work on it recently.The Chinese sources give much more information than do the English-language ones but I'm not always sure I'm understanding them correctly.Thanks,Badagnani 19:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the help.http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E7%82%B8 says that 炸 is 4th tone (you changed it from 4th to 2nd).There sure are a lot of fungi and mushrooms described in the Chinese websites, many that we don't have here in North America!Badagnani 22:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Now I need help identifying this ingredient:白菌.Any idea what it is in English?I suppose some sort of white mushroom, but which one?Badagnani 22:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you fix the tone info at English Wiktionary for 炸 accordingly?Those entries never explain when exactly the various versions/tones/readings of a character are used.Badagnani 23:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

It comes up in the lists of various mushrooms at these sites[23]; the Xinhua one comes up first.Badagnani 23:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zhajiang mian

Can you check the tones in the box at Zhajiang mian?It's the same distinction between the "zha" of "fry" and of "explode."Are there truly two pronunciations of "zhajiang mian"?There's discussion here. Badagnani 01:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hanzi question

Hi, can you tell me what the big character is in this photo?Is it 酒？http://data.bip.und.cn/ImageData72/83124/image/qq.jpgBadagnani 21:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow, their penmanship isn't very good, because the character was almost unrecognizable except in context.Badagnani 21:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need Japanese pronunciation

Thanks, one more:do you know the Japanese pronunciation of the final two kanji:クコの果実?Badagnani 21:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

"kajitsu" Spacecat2 11:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, one more question:websites give the romaji as "kuko no mi," not "kuko no kajitsu."Can you help me understand this?I want to get it right at the Wolfberry article.Thanks,Badagnani 16:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Does this help?If "mi" is a legitimate pronunciation for 果実, I'll add a Wiktionary entry for it.Badagnani 16:39, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, the most Google hits show up for this berry being called kuko no mi (クコの実), with fewer calling it kuko no kajitsu (クコの果実).So are those the right pronunciations for both?Badagnani 16:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The most common reading would be koku no mi, using only the second kanji. If you choose to use both kanji, it would be read as koku no kajitsu, but that would be an unnatural usage, equating to wolf-fruit-berry instead of wolfberry. Sun da sheng 05:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EU page

Hi Ran, thanks for the notice about the EU page. There is even more content now ...EU all the best Lear 21 05:45, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Ran again, currently we have a vote for keeping the design and many relevant images in the sections. Would be great to see you voting and commentating there. This is the version to be discussed [24]]. all the best Lear 21 04:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Need tone mark

Need tone mark for this word:"He (Chinese: 和; pinyin: he) - An ancient free reed mouth organ similar to the sheng but smaller" -- found in the "Gourd" section of Traditional Chinese musical instruments.This character has many different pronunciations listed at Wiktionary.Thanks,Badagnani 16:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of List of countries by Human Development Index, 2005

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[edit] Sweet and sour pork

Hi, the pinyin (and maybe also the hanzi) for Sweet and sour pork seems to be wrong.Can you help?Badagnani 05:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but the second syllable of the first version doesn't have a tone.And why would the dish have two pronunciations?Badagnani 00:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Biwa

Hi, there's an unreasonable editor who keeps reverting here.Maybe you could help?Thanks, Badagnani 00:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

He made the accompanying photo really big this time!Badagnani 03:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of Islam in China

Hi ran, there's a new user, 7day who has created several article dealing with the history of Islam in China, could you help with editting these pages? Islam in Qing Dynasty, Islam in Ming dynasty, Islam in Yuan dynasty, Islam in Song Dynasty, Islam in Tang Dynasty.thanks, Abstrakt 03:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese berries

Hi, can you read the Japanese name for the golden raisin-looking berries at the left, just beneath the red wolfberries, here? Thank you, Badagnani 03:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Ha! How exotic! Thanks Badagnani 07:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chrysanthemum tea

Hi, can you help figure out the pinyin/tones for the two names I've added for varieties at Chrysanthemum tea? Badagnani 13:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Snake oil#United States

Hi, can you check hanzi and pinyin here: Snake oil#United States? Badagnani 01:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anisodus

Hi, the second syllable needs a tone (Wiktionary lists several different tones for that hanzi). Badagnani 01:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lingzhou

Thanks for snake oil and herbal help! I've just learned about this ancient Xia/Tangut city Lingzhou. Can you help fill it out at all? Badagnani 03:48, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks! At wolfberry's talk page, we're trying to figure out whether the Tang Dynasty poem by Liu Yuxi that is touted in English translation on "goji" websites is real. It seems that it is. But we're having trouble translating 老新成瑞犬形. Can you figure it out? I think it's in classical Chinese, but in simplified characters. I don't understand why it says "old new" (it's very Lao Tzu!), but the rest of it seems to imply that the root of the wolfberry plant resembles the shape of a dog. Badagnani 05:03, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fortune cookie

Hi, can you evaluate the Chinese names for Fortune cookie that I've added in hanzi? Badagnani 21:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, the terms do appear, in Chinese, on Chinese websites and menus. I agree they're ad hoc, and generally hilarious. As long as that's made clear in the article (that they're terms not often used in Chinese) I think that's fine. I presented them in order of relative usage, with the first ones being used much more than the later, more rare ones. It's true of any newly translated term for something that previously didn't have a name in that language; at first there may be various terms but eventually it solidifies. North American Chinese menus provide a good example of this; the hanzi spellings do have some variation but there's enough contact between restaurants that the spellings do get solidified over time (even if the characters' usage might originally have been "wrong," a Cantonese misreading of the original written Mandarin version. Thanks for your input! Badagnani 04:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crab rangoon

Can you do the same at Crab rangoon? Badagnani 22:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I did Google searches and conferred with other Wikipedians. I was just hoping you could give input, or at least help with the pinyins. The alternate pronunciations given on Wiktionary are killing me, because they never state what context the various readings of each hanzi are used in. Badagnani 04:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pinyin

I can't figure out the pinyin/tone for the final syllable of Kang Sengkai. Badagnani 18:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, looks like whoever made that article got the name wrong. Should be "hui," not "kai." Or was it pronounced "kai" in ancient Chinese? Japanese gives "kai" and Korean also has something similar, so those languages may preserve ancient Chinese pronunciations. Badagnani 18:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Literal meaning

Can you add the literal meaning of this tea? Badagnani 18:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Hey ran, what do you think of this edit? Khoikhoi 10:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, ok. Thanks, Khoikhoi 10:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shuochang

Hi, can you take a look at Shuochang to see if anything should be added? I know there are a lot more subgenres but that can come later. Badagnani 01:11, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yunbai

And this one too. Badagnani 01:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ROC/PRC

Instead of redirecting all the counties to County (PRC and ROC), which may appear unrecognizable for people unfamiliar with China's political division, why not just link it to County (China), or just separate the two articles into county(China) and county(Taiwan)? Because remember, Wikipedia's naming conventions are not set around political correctness but based on common usage. Colipon+(T) 00:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Longlin Various Nationalities Autonomous County

Hi, any idea, from the Chinese source, whether the individual farmers' average income is per month or per year? Often these figures, for China, are given per month, though it's not usually stated whether it's per month or per year. Badagnani 10:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yuyan and his descendants

Hi ran, could you check if the information on Yuyan and his descendants Hengchen and Chinsin are accurate or not. Thanks! Abstrakt

[edit] Gyegu/Yushu

This editor made a lot of changes and I wonder what your thoughts are about them. Talk:Yushu Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture Badagnani 17:49, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doubanjiang

Hi, can you add anything to Doubanjiang, which I've just created? Badagnani 03:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tauchu

Hi, can you clarify what dialect the pronunciation Tauchu is taken from? And how this bean paste differs from other forms of Chinese soybean paste? Badagnani 09:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 苏杭

Hi, I have a friend who says she's going to visit the Su Hang (苏杭). We don't have an article on that. What does it mean? Badagnani 18:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Is it a commonly used toponym? If so, check this article I've just made: Suhang. Badagnani 18:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

My friend said that Zhouzhuang, Tongli, and Shaoxing are also part of Suhang. So is it not just the two cities, but all the other towns in the area as well? Badagnani 18:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Question: can Dagu ("big drum") also be pronounced "daigu"?

Question: do we keep 3rd tone for both syllables of Guban (instrument)? Is the change of the first syllable to second tone just a Mandarin speech convention and we should keep it both as third tone? Badagnani 19:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that's good to know. BUT, why do we put no tone mark on "zi" (rather than 3rd tone) following a name or a fruit or whatever? That's been the way everybody's doing it. Badagnani 19:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, so the tone for "zi" dictates whether it's "son" (5th tone) or an honorific (3rd tone). That would go for Laozi as well? We had a debate over this on "Discussion" a while back but nobody knew what you just told me about this distinction. Badagnani 20:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Concerning the usage of "zi" following a noun: it is extremely common in Mandarin to add "zi" as a suffix to monosyllabic nouns. Used in this fashion, the syllable is pronounced in the fifth, or neutral tone. The reason for this is that Chinese inherently dislike monosyllabic utterances as they feel "unbalanced", and this usage also enables one to signify a person or thing in a qualitative sense. For example, to describe an old person, one can say "lao zi" (old one)instead of "lao de ren" (old person), or "pang zi" (fat one)instead of "pand de ren" (fat person). Sun da sheng 06:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Li vs. mei liquor

Question: the Prunus salicina article says that in Japan a liqueur is made from green fruits. Umeshu (plum wine) is made from ume (mei), but is it really true that the Japanese make an alcoholic beverage from li? If so, can you locate a website showing such a commercial product (a Japanese-produced li liqueur or liquor)? I've just added a link in the Prunus salicina article's text showing a Chinese liquor that I think is made from li (it actually calls it "peach-shape li" so I'm not sure this is Prunus salicina). Thanks for your help. Badagnani 02:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I think I figured it out. It's すもも酒. Badagnani 02:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese fruit wines

Are there any Japanese fruit wines in this website that we should add articles for (or add in the articles for the various fruits? Badagnani 02:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] De'e

Hi, should the pinyin for De'e have the apostrophe as well? Badagnani 03:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Subgum

Hi, any idea about the etymology of the Cantonese word Subgum? Badagnani 19:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Is that on authority of a dictionary or whatever, so I can add it to the article? Is there a Cantonese dictionary someone has access to?

So this spelling, that shows up on one or two websites, is a misspelling? 杂锦 Badagnani 05:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

How do you get "ten varieties, ten colors" from Wiktionary's definition of "file of ten soldiers" + "brocade, tapestry"? Badagnani 05:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! As always, your answer makes perfect sense and I require no further explanation. Wow, I thought Wiktionary's definitions were more or less authoritative. I can see that at least those character entries need a lot of work! Badagnani 22:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Arigato101

Hi, I've been dealing with Arigato (who some suspect is a sock of another user who has been blocked for as long as a month). I'd be inclined to block Arigato101 indef rather than just for 48 as you did. Do you have a problem with that? Please let me know, thanks! ++Lar: t/c 23:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Northern and southern China

Hi, I see that you wrote the original version of Northern and southern China and you might have seen that in recent days some editors keep removing the "stereotyopes" section entirely. I'm wondering if you have further sources for that section. I've restored it and added some print sources in the "References" section but wonder if you have others. Badagnani 05:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disappearing Lake in Guangxi Province!

Hi, Ran!

I ran across this story in Google Earth and since you've done a lot of the work on China in Wikipedia, I thought you'd like to follow up on it, perhaps adding to that article. Here's the link:

[25]

I read Wikipedia's article about Epoch Times and found myself with small questions on their accuracy and lack of bias. Perhaps you are in a better position to judge.

Keep up the good work. Be bold! DaKine 21:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Southern dialects borrowing from Tai and Austronesian

Ran, I've put a Citation Needed notice at the sentence "Southern Chinese varieties have borrowed more from Tai or Austronesian languages" in Mandarin (linguistics). I would be curious to see any studies that conclusively prove this. At Taiwanese (linguistics) it is stated that "Recent work by scholars such as Ekki Lu, Sakai Toru, and Lí Khîn-hoāⁿ (also known as Tavokan Khîn-hoāⁿ or Chin-An Li), based on former research by scholars such as Ông Io̍k-tek, has gone so far as to associate part of the basic vocabulary of the colloquial language with the Austronesian and Tai language families", but this is followed by the caveat that "such claims are not without controversy".

User:Bathrobe Not logged in

FYI, I added references for Tai and Austro-Asiatic (see changes here). I didn't find one for Austronesian yet though. —Umofomia 07:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please help to protect my userpage

我的用戶頁被中文版的影武者破壞過，請幫我設保護，謝謝。--Alex S.H. Lin 01:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Certified.Gangsta-Ideogram

Hello,

A request for arbitration has been filed regarding the conduct of Certified.Gangsta.

Can I trouble you to write a statement at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Certified.Gangsta-Ideogram recounting your interactions with him and your impressions of his conduct as an editor?

Thanks.

LionheartX 09:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Beijing Subway

What about Line 3? You don't have it in your diagram. Is it even planned? Chris 01:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tibet

Please see this and this. Khoikhoi 06:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pingtang County

Hi, I just found out about this story and made an article on this county. Would appreciate your input, thanks. Badagnani 18:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Are they trad. or simplified characters? I think they were using traditional 2 1/2 million years ago, right? And does the last character really look like "perishes"/"collapses" to you? I can't really make it out and I think the Epoch Times/Falun Gong folks may have been exerting wishful thinking about that. Have you watched the YouTube video? I can't make sense of what the Party officials are saying. I think like Zhang Yimou's recent film "Riding Alone for Thousands of Miles," and the recent PRC government promotion of Pu'erh tea, which are trying to bring much-needed yuan/dollars/yen into Yunnan, they think that by promoting this scenic area of Guizhou (the poorest province in China), and possibly fabricating this story of the "hidden words stone," it's going to similarly invigorate Guizhou. Badagnani 17:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] sarcelles revisted.

just a heads up but he's back to his old ways. see Category:Prisons in China List of laojiaos in Fujian List of laojiaos in Guangdong List of laojiaos in Guizhou List of laojiaos in Hebei List of laojiaos in Heilongjiang List of laojiaos in Henan List of laojiaos in Hubei List of laojiaos in Hunan List of laojiaos in Inner Mongolia List of laojiaos in Jiangsu List of laojiaos in Jiangxi List of laojiaos in Jilin List of laojiaos in Liaoning List of laojiaos in Shaanxi List of laojiaos in Shandong List of laojiaos in Shanxi List of laojiaos in Sichuan List of laojiaos in Xinjiang List of laojiaos in Yunnan List of laojiaos in Zhejiang

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[edit] Ginger milk curd

Hi, could you provide pinyin at Ginger milk curd? Badagnani 01:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Xianbi

Hi, I'm in need of some expert assistance. I believe I am sure the Xianbi to be a clever hoax/fraud. Do you concur? Badagnani 02:28, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Huamei

Hi, any idea why the Chinese pickled ume called "huamei" (话梅) has "talk" as its first character? Badagnani 04:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pinyin needed at Sugarcane juice

Hi, could you add pinyin at Sugarcane juice? Thanks, Badagnani 06:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wendi Deng

Can you add the pinyin for the third character in her original name? Badagnani 07:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gejia/Hakka

Hi, can you please evaluate the change between the characters for "Gejia" and "Hakka" in this edit? Thank you, Badagnani 19:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, are the Hakka, then, considered to be Han people? They wouldn't be one of the "undistinguished ethnic groups" that are lumped into other ethnic groups? Badagnani 21:58, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

And who exactly are the Gejia? I can't find any sources about them? Badagnani 21:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Yellow soybean paste

Hi, can you help with the question at Talk:Yellow soybean paste? Badagnani 02:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tofu box

Thanks for the tone at Yellow soybean paste! I just ate some, in homemade zhajiangmian.

There's a controversy about the multi-language reference box at Tofu (the last item in Talk:Tofu, with an editor having just shown up, who is not active on Asian cuisine articles, attempting to delete it entirely. You're one of only a handful (less than a half dozen, I'd say) who are active on Asian cuisine articles, so I wonder if you might present your thoughts there. Thanks and best, Badagnani 04:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Hui (linguistics)

Hi, are you able to answer the question at Talk:Hui (linguistics)? Badagnani 23:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

You're good!!! Badagnani 01:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 胡月

Hi, can you help me with the context of "胡月" in this passage? Does it mean that the reporter used the alias "Huyue"?

據訾北佳供述，十幾天裏，他每天早晨都買包子吃，從西四環到東四環，走訪了許多賣包子的場所，每到一處，就購買一元錢的包子，但始終沒有發現包子的品質問題。由於選題已上報，壓力很大，加之剛到北京電視臺，既想出名，又想掙錢，而他本人調查的結果令其十分失望。期間，欄目主編以時限為由，催促其抓緊拍攝專題節目。於是，他化名“胡月”，找到朝陽區太陽宮鄉十字口村１３號院，並以為民工購買早點的名義，要求來自陜西省華陰市的衛全峰、趙曉彥、趙江波、楊春玲等人為其製作包子。 Badagnani 05:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free image (Image:Google-censorship.jpg)

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[edit] Change of language names

Hi, I'm interested to know your thoughts about this change of language names in the Chinese dialects template. Badagnani 04:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I just wondered about the necessity to call Mandarin "Guan," Hakka "Kejia," Cantonese "Yue," and so on. Badagnani 12:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:People of the Three Kingdoms

Template:People of the Three Kingdoms has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. _dk 03:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 九豐記

Hi, can you translate "九豐記" as it appears here? Badagnani 05:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lyric translation

Hi, just wondering if you agree with this edit? Badagnani 04:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 鉤芡

Hi, can you help me determine the species of the edible plant 鉤芡? Badagnani 20:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wine

Can you read the characters on this wine label? Badagnani 00:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/yu-chen/766471496/

Thanks! Looks like it's in Zhejiang. Can you help me determine which town this company is located in? http://www.shaoxingwine.com.cn/ Badagnani 21:19, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] really need your help

Hi Ran,

Could you please advise what can I do if an adminitrator: User:Irishguy falsely accused me of spamming while he failed to prove that what I have added as external links are spamming according to wikipedia's definition of spam.

Please help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Irishguy#my_edits_reverted_.28.22multiple_links_to_the_same_website.22.3F.29

Should I need mediation? --219.73.11.127 03:11, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Here are the links I would like to add on those Catholicism-related articles.

• http://www.carm.org/catholic/apocrypha.htm on
• http://www.carm.org/catholic/mary_Matt1_25.htm
• http://www.carm.org/catholic/brothers.htm
• http://www.carm.org/catholic/fullofgrace.htm
• http://www.carm.org/catholic/vaticanII_p420.htm
• http://www.carm.org/catholic/mass.htm
• http://www.carm.org/catholic/biblesufficient.htm
• http://www.carm.org/catholic/indulgences.htm

Above listed are eight different articles and thus are not regarded as spamming according to wikipedia def. of spam: "same link to many articles". User:Irishguy wildly claimed that all URLs from CARM are spam. I already showed him that on wikipedia CARM articles have long existed as external/supporting sources and my adding should not be reverted. He showed me many WP guidelines entries but failed to prove what exact guideline I have violated. I am really pissed off, but I know I need to calm down per WP:COOL :)

Your assistance is appreciated, Ran!--219.73.11.127 09:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Korean drum

Hi, can you add a translation of the "Description," in traditional Chinese characters, here? Badagnani 20:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mak Sai Ying

Could you by any chance identify the middle character here? I think we've got the first and third characters at the discussion page for Mak Sai Ying. Badagnani 16:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Xianfen

Hi, I wonder if you might know if Xianfen, an article I just found, is a synonym for Cellophane noodles. It seems, from the description, that it is (and if so it should be merged). Badagnani 17:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 桂圓

Hi, do you have any idea why dried longan would be called 桂圓? Does the first character describe its color rather than its flavor (like in 桂花)? Badagnani 22:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't really good Chinese dictionaries give etymology (do you happen to have one of those)? It could be a borrowing from Malay or some other non-Chinese language, or the "gui" could refer to the color or aroma. But we wouldn't know without a really good reference. Badagnani 01:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism on Manchuria article

Hi! I know you have edited the page extensively in the past, and recently there are some users (Leavepower, Likes, 211.59.108.42) keep adding personal research and unverified statements to the history section. Majority of these added contents are very poorly written with bad prose and hard to understand sentences. The statements are also very POV and spectulative. Is there anyway you can grand a protection. I don't want there to be an edit war. Thanks.--Balthazarduju 07:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

The page has been semi-protected now, so it has been calmed down.--Balthazarduju 18:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 梧州蜜枣

Hi, can you determine from this article what it was that made these dates poisonous? I'd like to see if this should be added to the Food safety in China article.

http://www.people.com.cn/GB/paper53/5333/555807.html Badagnani 22:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks like this article says it was sulfur dioxide. Funny, because I don't usually think of that chemical as a poison. Badagnani 22:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks--I'm eating some of those dates now, which I picked up a few months ago at a Chinese grocery store in Ohio (they come hard and dried, and I boiled them as recommended on the package--which says to wash them for 5 full minutes, then to boil them for 15 minutes, and it says DO NOT EAT OUT OF THE BAG AS A SNACK!). They have a strange chemically, sulfurous smell that is not appetizing. I think the fruits, without all the chemicals, would taste great, like Middle Eastern regular brown dates, so it's too bad they're putting all that stuff in there. Since this is not a big export item, I guess it never got any English-language coverage. Badagnani 02:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need translation

Hi, can you determine the English translation of 大米 and 微炒? I think it means the same thing. Badagnani 06:20, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, the second one means "slightly cooked"? Badagnani 06:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I thought they were the same because the second term is listed in parentheses after the first in the "Medicinal soups" section of Asian soup, which I've been working on. Badagnani 22:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 桂花陈酒

Hi, I just came across a bottle of this today in a restaurant. Do you know what the third character signifies? Normally I think it's just called 桂花酒. There are a lot of Google hits for it. Badagnani 02:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! The Wiktionary entry for 陈 doesn't have this as one of the meanings; should it? Badagnani 03:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, so it seems that Wiktionary is deficient on this character.

[edit] Osmanthus

We have the Sweet Osmanthus plant as being called 樨 (xī) but I wonder if it could also be called 木樨 (mù xī)? Badagnani 03:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Asian soup

Thanks for great help with Asian soup. Why did you change 白術 to 白朮 (I didn't put those characters in; they were already there so I assumed they were correct), and 诃 to 訶 (I was replacing trad. with simplified but I think you did the reverse). Badagnani 04:00, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I replaced a bunch of the trad. with simplified because, in trying to look them up, I realized that I'd added only simplified to the individual herb articles, making them hard to find with trad. Badagnani 04:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow, just saw your last edit. You're amazing! Badagnani 04:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shortest man

Hi, I'm wondering if you could find the traditional hanzi for the name of the world's shortest man: http://www.ymsnp.gov.tw/html/eng/03news/news_a01_main.asp?sn=109 Badagnani 07:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I think I've got it: 林煜智 Badagnani 07:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I believe the (apparently) W-G romanization at Lin Yih-Chih is wrong. Badagnani 07:35, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Juye County

Hello, could you check the two external links at Juye County and see if they refer to the one in Shandong? Badagnani 05:02, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Anglican Communion.JPG

That was a mistake. I was trying to signify Hong Kong.--Lord Balin 17:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tuotuorou

Here's a hard one: can you figure out the hanzi for the Yi dish Tuotuorou? Badagnani 02:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Norman Hsu

Can you determine this guy's Chinese name in hanzi? Badagnani 05:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shichimi

Hi, could you possibly add the kanji/hiragana and literal meaning for "nanami togarashi" at Shichimi? Badagnani 23:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Also for "tōgarashi." Badagnani 23:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Got fan

Can you add the tone for the first syllable of the pinyin at Got fan? Badagnani 17:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Roasted goose

Can you add pinyin in the box at Roasted goose? Badagnani 17:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Almond biscuit

Can you add the tone for the second syllable in the pinyin of Almond biscuit? Badagnani 17:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ban mian

Shouldn't the traditional character for "ban" in the infobox for Ban mian be 闆? Badagnani 23:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shouning County

Could you possibly add pinyin for the towns at Shouning County? There are too many alternate pronunciations for many of the hanzi at Wiktionary. Badagnani 12:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Wiktionary is deficient but, like Wikipedia, it's always improving (with the help of expert editors like you). Thanks for those other sources! Badagnani 19:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Liangguang

Hi, can you check the pinyin at Liangguang? Badagnani 02:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chee cheong fun

Can you add pinyin for Chee cheong fun? I'm not sure from which dialect the article title gets its spelling. Badagnani 20:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Undistinguished Yi

Can you find Chinese sources for the undistinguished Yi people mentioned in Undistinguished ethnic groups in China? You started the article a couple of years ago and included this info, presumably from the Chinese Wikipedia article, but I can't find confirmation of this 300-member ethnic group. Badagnani 18:04, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fuling jiabing

Can you add pinyin at Fuling jiabing? Badagnani 06:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changdao Islands

Hi, can you check the two sets of pinyin at Changdao Islands? They seem strange. The first one has 山 as the second character and the second has "island" twice. Badagnani 00:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, good work. Is there an interwiki for this place to Chinese Wikipedia, or any other WP? Badagnani 01:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, our Changdao County redirects to the islands, so I think we can do the interwiki. Badagnani 01:32, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 倍革胡等

For huqin, can you figure out what "倍革胡等" means? I think the last character might not be part of the name. We have gehu already, but I don't know what the "倍" is doing as part of the name. Badagnani 11:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it's another name for Diyingehu, "倍" meaning ("bass"). But isn't "贝" used for "bass"? Badagnani 11:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see, 等 means "etc." I never learned that.

[edit] 低絃琴等

One more: 低絃琴等 -- I'm not sure this is a legit name of a huqin as there aren't many Google hits. Badagnani 12:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Hold on--I don't get any Google hits using the simplified version of "xian." Is 絃 the same as 弦? And is it possible that 低絃琴 simply refers to any very large bass huqin, such as the dahu, dihu, gehu, laruan, paqin, etc.? Badagnani 01:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Instruments

I just do a search for 胡琴， 二胡，板胡, etc. and whenever I see another one I've never heard of, I try to add it into Huqin and Traditional Chinese musical instruments so we have the most complete list in English on the Internet. I do this for my own reference as well as to help others (which I suppose is the reason why all of us do what we do). Badagnani 18:43, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 鹵味

I'm looking at some old Chinese vegetarian menus and I see mian jin labeled as 鹵味. Should this term be added to the Seitan article? I'm not sure I understand why it's called "salted deliciousness." Badagnani 00:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Min Nan

Do you speak Min Nan? If so, are you familiar with the Chaozhou dumpling called hung gue (粉餜)? According to Chaozhou cuisine, they're called 潮州粉果 in Cantonese, so I'm not sure which name to put the article under, or just to call it Chaozhou dumpling. User:Benjwong, who is from HK, recommends titling the article Fun guo. There are photos here. Badagnani 01:04, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Your reasoning seems sound, but for some southern Chinese items, there are prevalent romanizations seen on menus, such as Wonton and Har gow. See Talk:Har gau for an example. For some items associated most closely with southern cuisines, like Jar choy, we agreed on a pinyin title, Zha cai. But for 潮州粉果, I'm leaning toward a Cantonese romanization for the title, as I still don't know how it's said in Chaozhou and is probably better known to the English-speaking world from its Cantonese version. Badagnani 18:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

OK. I thought you might be Chaozhou, as your user page says you know some Min Nan (though I guess Chaozhou is distinct from Hokkien). Badagnani 22:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I'd assumed "cmn" was Chinese-Min Nan. Badagnani 23:12, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for pointing it out.

Ive uploaded a new version without 1912. Pojanji 20:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Huamei

Hi, can you help shed light on why "huàméi" (话梅), the Chinese equivalent of umeboshi, means "talk plum"? Badagnani 01:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Ha, lost in the depths of history... Badagnani 03:22, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soft drink

Any idea what this soft drink is? Badagnani 22:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 檬粉

Thanks, any idea why zh:WP calls Phở 檬粉? Badagnani 16:57, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to join Ezclopedia

Hi, I saw your contribution to an article about Hong Kong and would like to invite you to join a new knowledge sharing site, www.ezclopedia.com and post your articles there. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 20.4.51.164 (talk) 20:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tone

Hi, can you check/add the tone to the first syllable of Gehu? Badagnani 07:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks--can you confirm that the "ge" in "gehu" means "revolutionary" (perhaps a back-formation from 革命? Or does it mean "leather"? Badagnani 04:17, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks--though I'm sure I've seen musical treatises that say "gehu" means "revolutionary fiddle." Wiktionary still does not reflect this additional meaning of 革. Badagnani 04:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

It's definitely a 20th-century contraption. It's a crazy-looking cello-type thing with a huge python skin. I guess whoever created it thought they were being revolutionary. Apparently the term "pi" is used for skin on huqin, rather than "ge." Badagnani 08:13, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Can you add tones at Treatise on Tea? Badagnani 18:18, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Can you determine the tone for the ancient Chinese mouth organ "he" (和), at Traditional Chinese musical instruments? (It's listed under "Gourd"). Badagnani 10:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] rep: Dynasties

Hey! I must thank you for taking your time on the map. 1. Regarding 1949, for a quick (and temporary) solution, may I suggest changing the timestamp to "Present" and actually outline the territories of ROC and PRC as it is today. 2. is a good point. I'll be replacing the ones based on settlements with approx. "sphere of influence"... I agree with you about the exaggerations of those atlases. I think the best we can to do is having a careful description and trust the reader would "read with discretion." Pojanji 11:22, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shi Tao

Can you determine which is the surname? Wiktionary doesn't list either characters as a possible surname. Badagnani 22:47, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Death anniversary

In Vietnam, the anniversary of the death of one's parents or grandparents is celebrated annually. I have just read that there is an equivalent (I guess Confucian) custom formerly practiced in China. Is that correct? We don't appear to have an article about this custom in either country. Badagnani 23:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I made an article at Death anniversary. I'm sure this observance started in China, so now that I've added the Chinese names, could you possibly find and add some sources for the Chinese version? Badagnani (talk) 05:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Could 祭禮 be another example? Badagnani (talk) 06:54, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moo shu pork

Do you have access to any sources that show the characters and etymology of "Moo shu pork" going back in history? Google Books produces English-language hits for various Chinese dishes going back to the late 19th and early 20th centuries but I don't know if there's any comparable website giving early Chinese sources. If you could examine the Etymology section of Moo shu pork, that would be great too. I've summarized the various proposals for the two different sets of characters used for this dish. Badagnani 00:59, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 曲阜孔府菜

Can you translate 曲阜孔府菜, and is there any article on any of the Wikipedias about this? Apparently moo shu pork was on this menu, so if we could track down the original source, it would be very valuable. Badagnani 01:47, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject:CJKV disambiguation pages

Hello Ran

Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#CJKV disambiguation pages. We are planning a DAB project, to handle CJKV / Chinese characters. (七夕, 琵琶, and 文 are good examples of such Dab.)

As this will handle Dab between articles covered under WP:ZH, WP:JA, WP:KO, and WP:VIET, I am hoping for some kind of a support from interested members of WP:ZH. What do you think will be a good way to go about this?--Endroit (talk) 15:46, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 角

Hi, I just read that in ancient China there was a musical instrument called 角. I assume it was an animal horn, but it could also have been made out of brass. Can you confirm this? Badagnani (talk) 01:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 觱

Hi, can you help tell what the "Tartar horn" definition means at 觱? Badagnani (talk) 06:07, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Whitebait

Can you determine the Chinese name for the Chinese Whitebait described in that article? Badagnani (talk) 05:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tone

Can you determine the tone for the ancient Chinese mouth organ "he" (和), at Traditional Chinese musical instruments? (It's listed under "Gourd"). Badagnani (talk) 21:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yuebei

Hi, can you help improve Yuebei? Badagnani (talk) 20:45, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Translation

Can you help translate this text?

以粤北云南等地区的瑶族传统歌舞鼓乐为素材创作了，1952年初上演后由茅沅据此改编为管弦乐《瑶族舞曲》，1953年在北京首演，乐曲广受欢迎并被改编成多种演出形式，包括民族管弦乐等。 Badagnani (talk) 20:50, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Beiguan

Can you check the tones at Beiguan? Badagnani (talk) 02:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pinyin

Could you by some chance determine the pinyin for the Li people wind instrument called 利拉罗? Badagnani 05:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kou Xiang

Would you check Kou Xiang? I suggest it be moved to Kouxian, but the editor who began the article believes that "Kou Xiang" is an anglicization of "kouxian." Thanks, Badagnani (talk) 00:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tibet and South Asia

This User:Thegreyanomaly is back in pushing crappy POV with fake/offtopic citations on Tibet and South Asia. Could you please kindly take a look. Thanks! --210.0.212.59 (talk) 04:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I followed your instructions and I cleaned up my sources on South Asia. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 03:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 Canadian election

Hey, looks good to me, although I would hesitate to call it a map per se ;-) -- Earl Andrew - talk 23:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Civil Party Taiwan.jpg

Thank you for uploading Image:Civil Party Taiwan.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. NOTE: once you correct this, please remove the tag from the image's page. STBotI (talk) 20:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Templates and images

Hi Ran, I've had to remove the images from the templates per WP:NFCC #9. Regards, nat.utoronto 21:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, regarding the images, each time an image is used a new rationale is need, so one template does not cover all the time an image is used. nat.utoronto 02:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I have no plans to delete them, I just needed whoever uploaded them, or who ever wanted to take charge of them, to fill in the correct information. nat.utoronto 03:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 蘇梅酱

Hi, can you determine what 蘇 means, as it appears in the name of the sauce 蘇梅酱? Badagnani (talk) 02:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. I've got a jar of it and that's what it says on the label... Badagnani (talk) 03:23, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anemone chinensis

Hi, can you figure out the tone for the third syllable at Anemone chinensis? Badagnani (talk) 00:38, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Need Chinese character help

Hi, I need help to identify a Chinese character. Can you help? I can upload it. Badagnani (talk) 07:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Badagnani (talk) 07:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

金声__ 韻

Badagnani (talk) 07:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Can't find the third one. Badagnani (talk) 07:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you--I appreciate it very much. One question: why would 声 have been written in simplified form, 108 years ago? I see 声 written there rather than 聲. Badagnani (talk) 15:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow, really? The characters aren't written very nicely, so I think they were probably making a lot of instruments that day, and whoever was writing the characters didn't take a lot of time to do them beautifully. So it makes sense that they'd use a simpler form for that one. Badagnani (talk) 18:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 219.79.122.72 and Tibet on South Asia

This ip has been reverting a map I modified to represent South Asia. S/he is reverting this map because it is showing Tibet overlayed on the PRC. I am requesting intervention on this topic. It is clear that Tibet belongs on the page, but he is removing the map that displays Tibet. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 22:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Need pinyin

Hi, can you add pinyin at Rauwolfia serpentina? Badagnani (talk) 03:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 料酒王

Thanks for pinyin; another obscure food question: I'm wondering now if you can tell me about the cooking wine called 料酒王. I have a bottle of it and it includes water, huangjiu, baijiu, salt, cloves, nutmeg, and black cardamom. Thus, it's a variety of yellow-colored cooking wine infused with "sweet" spices. I don't know if this needs an article, or what to call it. Badagnani (talk) 05:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image needed

I liked your Image:Shanghai administrative.png and I hope you make a similar one for Beijing.
Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 07:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] China National Symphony Orchestra

Can you add pinyin at China National Symphony Orchestra? Badagnani (talk) 05:11, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pinyin

Hi, can you add pinyin at Gilbert Chu? Badagnani (talk) 04:52, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Main Page featured article

Per WP:NOPRO, we don't semi-protect the main page featured article unless the vandalism is beyond extreme. The article featured on the Main Page is always "hit heavily and repeatedly" but until it reaches the point that we basically can't separate the good from the bad, it remains unprotected. Blocking one user for vandalizing is preferred to blocking all anonymous editors from participating. - auburnpilot talk 03:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Han Chinese

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[edit] Speedy deletion of Template:China county list

A tag has been placed on Template:China county list requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

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[edit] WikiProject Beijing

Hey Ran! I'm currently planning the launch of the WikiProject Beijing, depending on if enough other editors would be interested in such a project. I saw you have edited the main Beijing page recently or in several times in the past and therefor might be interested. If you are, please sign: User:Poeloq/WikiProject_Beijing. As I am posting this to quite a few editors, I am not watching your page and would ask you to reply with any comment or questions on my talk page. Cheers, Poeloq (talk) 21:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Beijing Subway Map

Hi Ran (are you the same Ran who works for the Olympics media office?!) I love your diagram of the Beijing Subway and I want to get permission to use it. How do I go about that? Obviously I would need a Hi Res, up to date version without the Wiki stamp all over it!!! You can send me a personal message on my user page: mapmark This request is really quite URGENT as I need to get the artwork to print very quickly and I've had no joy from the Beijing Subway corporation!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mapmark (talk • contribs) 12:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reponse Ran, your latest 2012 version is very impressive! I'm trying to get permission to reproduce the orginal official version but the BSC are just USELESS in responding to international emails! It's not for me as such but for an international company with a branch in Beijing who wish to get a proper signed agreement and print the map on their local guides and give them out to their clients. They are quite strict about making sure it is OFFICIAL map with a signed deal. Can you PM me any direct contacts you have in the Subway company? Or do you have a high-resolution photograph of the official map inside a train? Thanks once again for your time and advice. best wishes, Mark mapmark 1319 07/04/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mapmark (talk • contribs) 11:18, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tibet

Where are you and Khoikhoi?

Now the page is blocked right after some editors did some, as I can smell, soft-POV editing, including both pushing POV and removing sourced contents. Could you please kindly take a look? Obviously some of of them (administrators included) kept doing controversial edits instead of genuinely discussing on talk page.

(If reply, please don't use my talk page as I am using a dynamic/shared IP.)

Thanks. 218.189.215.150 (talk) 01:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tones

Hi, can you add tones at Sweet and sour pork? Badagnani (talk) 06:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Need tones

Hi, need tones for "guoqiao" at Mixian. Badagnani (talk) 03:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)