Talk:Ramush Haradinaj

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[edit] March 5 massacre

Is this the URL that can be used to source the fact? If so, how much can it source ? The whole paragraph or just the second sentence (the one mentioning the massacre itself) ? - Best regards, Evv 00:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, second part of that sentence was stating that the report about Serbian support for Haradinaj come from the BBC, not related to the other change I made regarding the 5th march attack on Jasharis Davu.leon 18:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
lol My fault, I misunderstood it :-) Best regards, Evv 01:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

A statement from one person, whose name is not even mentioned in the article, does not form a basis for stating that the Serb population of Kosovo supports Ramush Haradinaj. The truth of the matter is that, the Serb minority boycotted his election due to the fact that he is indicted as a warm criminal who committed crimes against the Serbian population.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.106.103.254 (talk • contribs) 02:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "to visit his family" - deleted

Who can be sure about why he went back to Kosovo, if not for sake of the wars and crimes he took part in, later? The way this text was was, it sounded much too subjective, as if he was a martyr that couldn't but illegally visit his family etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.117.192.154 (talk) 16:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

Well the next sentence as much as says that he was also using the trips to scout out gun-running routes, and I'm pretty sure he did visit his family if he went back to the country where they lived, but whatever. It's not essential to the article. Davu.leon 18:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pure POV

The article looks like it was written by Haradinaj himself.

Dove t. (talk) 02:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

anyone?
some of the problems here:
  • the fact that he is on trial is not mentioned in the introduction.
  • the quote describing the Serbian attack in the begining of the second paragraph is too long.
  • on the other side: the charges against Haradinaj are hardly described at all, and are said to be "vague". are they?
  • the trial section is mostly praise for Haradinaj's descision to stand for trial. It should be mentioned but not at such length.
  • the statement of a single Serb person about Haradinaj being a good leader shouldn't be mentioned at all (there are other views among the Serbian community) and anyhow it is irrelevant to this section.

Dove t. (talk) 21:24, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trial for war crimes at ICTY

He was not on vacation or for business in the Hague but to respond on charges for war crimes. The former heading was ridiculous POV. Further: acquittal does not prove innocence. The Dutch news NOS Journaal reported today that many witnesses abstained from making a declaration because they felt intimidated. Otto (talk) 21:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

You could also refer to Carla del Ponte's book "The Hunt". They were not just intimidated, they were brutally persecuted. 1 was mysteriously assassinated by fire weapons, one's throat was cut slit behind a cafe, 7 were killed in mysterious circumstances, all of them never found out. This all happened within months, right before they were invited. One infamous one was a guy that fled from Kosovo to Montenegro fearing for his life, he was killed in a car accident. Del Ponte also stated that he was intimidating the very judges themselves.
The ICTY actually had a strong case against him, but it was systematically destroyed by Haradinaj's mafia links, so this is not a declaration of proved innocence - but he had to be released because of lack of evidence, which was previously already there. As almost half a year ago the Chief Prosecutor said, the "vicious gangster with the blood of many innocents on his hands" will probably have to be released because legally, the case has collapsed because of a campaign aimed against the witnesses. And as expected - he was released. A worthwhile is to note that this has been done because of legal bounds, and that most of the ICTY actually regrets for this act. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 15:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

This doesn't appear to be correct. For instance, the "witness" Tahir Zemaj was killed, along with his son and nephew, in January 2003 -- more than two years before Haradinaj was indicted. It appears unlikely that Zemaj's death was related to the investigation; he'd been the leader of a group (FARK) that was a rival to the dominant KLA, and had been the target of at least one other assassination attempt several months earlier, before Haradinaj was even under investigation. (Cite: http://www.unmikonline.org/press/2003/mon/jan/lmm050103.htm). I've seen several Serbian sources listing Zemaj as the "chief prosecution witness", which is hardly possible, and also listing his son and nephew as among "nine" or "ten" witnesses killed.

This is not to say witness intimidation wasn't a problem in the Haradinaj case. Clearly it was, and at least one witness died under suspicious circumstances. But you've put "ten" deaths in the article, supported only by a cite to blic.yu. (For non-Balkan readers, Blic -- pronounced Blitz -- is a very popular tabloid paper in Serbia, better noted for sensationalism than accuracy.) So, I really think this needs to be revised. -- Doug M. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.214.27.234 (talk) 20:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The name

WHy in God's green earth was his name written also in "Serbo-Croatian"? He is Kosovar, an ethnic Albanian. That a pure insult and has NOTHING to do with this article or his name. I deleted it. I refuse to allow such a POV agenda. Kosova2008 (talk) 03:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

He was born in Yugoslavia, Serbia, where he had spent most of his life. That has nothing to do with insulting, but is standard practice in the Wikipedia. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 15:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Had he been born in Greece, it would be also written in Greek. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 15:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
He was born in KOSOVA!!! His name should be in Albanian...the end. I don't see Seslje or Tadic name in Albanian. This is BS. What good is it to have his name in Serbian Croatian. Kosova2008 (talk) 07:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Article 5 [Languages] 1. The official languages in the Republic of Kosovo are Albanian and Serbian.

This is the text of the proposed constitution of Kosovo. See proposed constitution. It is discriminatory to prefer one national languages above another in an article about a national Kosovaran politician in an English wikipedia. This apart from the fact that the sovereignty of Kosovo is disputed. Otto (talk) 09:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)