Talk:Ramtha's School of Enlightenment

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Contents 1 Comments 2 Not a fraud?! 3 Helpful !! 4 Background 5 J. Gordon Melton

[edit] Comments

Copy/pasted relevent post-split material from Talk:Ramtha -Tydaj 5 July 2005 21:18 (UTC)

[edit] Not a fraud?!

"There is no clear proof that J.Z. Knight is a Fraud. That is, proof that his/her followers will belive. There are lawsuits that stated that J.Z. Knight is the only one who can channel Ramtha, which is similar to Edgar Cayce. Also, she copywrited Ramtha. 20/20 did a segment that showed allegations of how Ramtha's school is just taking peoples money." Is there any evidence hinting that JZ Knight isn't a fraud? I'd like to impose my opion and bias that any logical person would realize that somebody selling "magic/curative" water is a fraud.

[edit] Helpful !!

I saw the movie and despite being open minded do like to check my sources. This article has been valuable in that regard. With the number of poeple watching this movie worldwide and the apparent lack of intelligent disection available I think this article is right on the money.

I just want to say: Thank the (gods, fates, positive protons, whatever) for wikipedia! I put their movie on the other night (thinking it was going to be a scientific approach to quantum physics, but I was tired and fell asleep within the first 15 minutes.) Tonight, I happened across a post on IMDB which mentioned the movie, in turn leading me to this movement's website. I was taken in. I was interested. Then, I wanted an objective view. I came here. NPOV is very close to becoming my new religion/philosophy (I just want to check out Judaism first.)

Autopilots 05:43, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Background

I am interested in the questions surrounding the factual accuracy of this article - what are the disputes? I have added some information which was presented to me by a friend who is a member of the organization, and have attempted to illustrate some of the items of interest he has told me about the organization. However, including definitive facts about the organization known as Ramtha is very difficult as the group represents something of a "closed society". Emails and questions to their website pertaining to their beliefs and practises go largely unanswered. Judith Knight may or may not be a charlatan, I do not have and cannot get enough information to positively determine this. James Randi, the noted magician and fraudulent psychic exposer, has made his position very clear with regard to Ms. Knight. Certainly her practises (as related to me by a member of the organization) are closely aligned with those of the proverbial 19th century snake oil salesman. What we have attempted to do on this page (and I did not start the page) is simply to provide genuine anecdotes to illustrate the behaviour of the organization. Those who want the "ramtha brochure" can visit the website (link attached to mainpage) and make their own judgements. Posthocergopropterhoc 5 July 2005 02:35 (UTC)

I see parallels here with Lazaris. -Tydaj 5 July 2005 20:51 (UTC)

What about Blavatsky, Theosophical Society and G. I. Gurdjieff --Salimfadhley 00:40, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

"Bronze award for ecommerce sites"? From who?

[edit] J. Gordon Melton

The current wikipedia entry for J. Gordon Melton makes extensive reference to his having been repeatedly labelled a cult apologist, along with a number of details relating to why some have labelled him such. (His activities and statements relating to Aum Shinrikyo, Children of God, Scientology and Jim Jones' Peoples Temple are deemed especially noteworthy in this regard.) Indeed, his name is among the most prevalent in the cult apologist entry itself.
Given that J. Gordon Melton's name appears in this article in the context of his having written a book rebutting the alleged "cultishness" of the Ramtha School of Enlightenment, perhaps it is not quite appropriate to use the somewhat bland descriptor "religious scholar" when introducing him here.
In my view, while it would almost certainly be POV to actually use the words "cult apologist" to refer to him, "religious scholar" lends a definite air of detachment that a simple Google search suggests is undue. Accordingly, I have changed it to "controversial religious scholar", although I feel this is still not sufficient, since most if not all religious scholars could be considered controversial in some sense. Suggestions? Cdswtchr 17:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

What about "cult buster"? Love-in-ark 04:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)