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[edit] Indian?
This is an entry on a man (Rama) who was born in the United States of a man (Ananda) who was born in England of a Sri Lankan father and an English mother. Rama's grandparents were married according to Anglican rites by the then Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury. Again, this man (Rama)'s mother was Argentinian. Aside from an early education in something called the Gurukul University at Haridwar, he lived the bulk of his life in the Americas. So, what qualifies him as an "Indian"? Race? But by race, he was Anglo-Indian or Eurasian! Did he ever hold an Indian passport? My Wikidness 14:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 19:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Relationship with Malachi Martin
I removed the following block of text, on the basis that it is dubiously sourced and does not clearly differentiate between Coomaraswamy's claims and the article itself. As far as I'm concerned, given Martin's relative notability, this section needs to be much more unambiguous and well-sourced. TallNapoleon (talk) 09:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
- It is stated that Coomaraswamy claimed that Fr. Malachi Martin, who – according to him – claimed to have been made a bishop and cardinal by Pope Pius XII in secret (in pectore) for the Christians of the Communist Bloc, conditionally re-ordained him a priest. Others have claimed that this is merely a misunderstanding or rumor, and cite Coomaraswamy's website, where there is a photo of his ordination with Fr. Malachi Martin present but not performing the ordination.[1] However, Coomaraswamy, in his own statement On The Validity of My Ordination, states:
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One problem arose. One of the people present thought Bishop Lopez-Gaston didn’t actually touch my head during the critical part of the rite. I of course cannot bear witness to this as I was too much too involved in the process of ordination to check on such a detail. I however recently looked at the photographs which were taken and offer two as evidence to the contrary. However, my close friend and mentor, Bishop Malachi Martin, stated that he wished there to be absolutely no doubt about my ordination. He therefore proceeded to conditionally re-ordain me. Hence it is that I received the graces of Ordination from a double source.[2]
- The confusion can be attributed to the fact of Coomaraswamy's conditional re-ordination by Malachi Martin being discussed in a sort of "Chinese whispers": Fr. Anthony Cekada, in his article, Untrained and Un-Tridentine: Holy Orders and the Canonically Unfit alludes to this purported conditional re-ordination in a mocking tone, and more people are familiar with Cekada's writings than with Coomaraswamy's:
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A married bishop ordained another married man a priest using a photocopy of the traditional ordination rite. The photocopy, however, was missing the page containing the essential sacramental form that must be recited for an ordination to be valid.
- Since this would-be bishop had no training, he had no idea anything was wrong. The mistake was detected only because an apostate priest (correctly trained) happened to be present. Not to worry, though. The apostate priest "corrected" the error himself afterwards by imposing hands and reciting the correct form – having announced that he had been secretly consecrated a bishop by Pius XII himself![3]
