Talk:Ralph Wigram

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[edit] Churchill's sources

Hi, I'm going to delete mention of Creswell (whom I have a half-completed article on offline, by the way) and that other person because there were in fact many others, and although I could add the names I don't want to get into listing all of them in an article about Wigram. I only mentioned the two I did because I was quoting Gilbert's conclusion - if you think it would be better to leave them out too, and just say that Gilbert said Wigram was one of the three main ones, without naming them, that's fine with me.

I'm not sure where the complete list should go - it's a bit too much detail to put into the Churchill article, which is already quite long - perhaps a new page on Churchill's sources and/or the anti-appeasment movement in the Pre-WWII UK is in order, which we could then reference from the Churchill page? Noel (talk) 23:45, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

I dropped the names in because they were the ones mentioned in the sources I found. I'll re-search the sources and see where they came from. A page for a list of his sources sounds like a good place (you're right they probably don't belong here, but I also didn't know where to put them). — KayEss | talk 05:16, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

After pondering it for a while, I think the Right Thing is a page about the British anti-appeasment movement in the 1930's - we could add links to that page from Churchill, appeasement, here, etc. Information about the group of people who provided info to Churchill would be a subsection of that. I've been re-reading Manchester (The Last Lion) and it gives good enough coverage of the anti-appeasement movement for the initial version of a Wikipedia page on it. Noel (talk) 17:43, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Odd facts

There are two odd bits on this. One is minor - my source said that Squadron Leader Charles Torr Anderson and not Wing-Commander. Maybe one is where he ended up and the other is where he was at the time? Probably not a big problem. — KayEss | talk 05:28, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Probably a normal promotion, sometime in the 1930s. The mini-bio of him in Gilbert (Prophet of Truth) doesn't give a date for that promotion, but does record that he was promoted to Group Captain in 1940. I wouldn't worry about it. Noel (talk) 17:43, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Slightly more interesting is that one of the sources I had said that Churchill was a Privy Counsellor, but he's not on the Wikipedia list. Whether he was or not changes the potential legality of what Wigram was doing. — KayEss | talk 05:28, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

That's because Winston was appointed in 1907, under King Edward VII, see List of Privy Counsellors (1901-1910); the page you listed only covers 1910-1936. Although technically Churchill's PC membership would have lapsed on the death of Edward VII in 1910, in practise all existing PC's were all re-appointed by the new sovereign (see Privy Council#Composition). Noel (talk) 17:43, 9 May 2005 (UTC)