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[edit] Serious Editing Needed

"Both the front and back grip of the archer causes a fair amount of damage."
  -Either the damage amount needs to be said, or get rid of "a fair amount of damage"

"The arc of arrows is even with the Ninjas stars, their ranged weapons have the least arcs."
  -No clue what the author of this sentence is saying.

"and Seldom, if ever, pull out their hammer "
  -Too game specific, and Seldom is capitalized.

"They have very weak basic attacks, They are the only class that has a 4-strike combo, though  this is weak."
  - Too game specific, opinion that it is weak.

[edit] Not notable?

Sounds like complete nonsense. This is one of very few free games featuring RPG based 3D combat. 83.240.41.206 (talk) 00:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you see that as being acceptable for notability anywhere in WP:N? 69.234.130.169 (talk) 03:04, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About Assault Panzers

An earlier version of the article was pointing in the direction that Assault Panzers were Panzers that was corrupted. However the in-game description states that they were merely part of an elite division of panzers that was given extra training. I just had to put this here as the mistake has gone uncorrected for a long time (and even through reverts) Sgtjohnsonx 18:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image requests

This article is completely devoid of images. It looks awfully plain without them. Here are some requests I have for images. See Icon Key below for an explanation on the icons. Kalani [talk] 09:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Icon Key -
- Request fulfilled
- Request not fulfilled yet
- Request or current image that fulfilled the request is being debated/challenged
- Request is now void
- Not an image request

I thought using these symbols would help with determining the status of the requests. Kalani [talk] 09:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Game logo -
This is obvious. We need a game logo for the infobox. Kalani [talk] 09:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I'll do that. I can get it in a few minutes, but I can't do it right now. Maybe sometime around June 5th. Don't worry about a thing. Freddie 21:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Done. Freddie 21:27, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Game controls -
We need a screenshot of the game's controls in the section Gameplay and controls. Kalani [talk] 09:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Same as above. Freddie 21:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Character classes -
It would be nice to have screenshots of each of the character classes in-game. Kalani [talk] 09:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
We can't do this; too many screenshots. Freddie 21:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd say I agree; however, perhaps an image of one or two classes to give readers the gist of what characters look like. Kalani [talk] 22:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
That sounds fine. I'll do it. Freddie 22:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Equipments and Creatures -
We need a screenshot of where we can buy equipments - we need a screenshot of the equipments displayed in the shop. We also need screenshots of one or two of the different creature species - not all (or if they can be found in a group picture, that's good as well). Kalani [talk] 09:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
The cells can be foudn in a group picture. But the shop is divided into sections. I think it would be best to take a picture of the shop in general because there are what, 10 sections? I think 10 screenshots is tooo much. Freddie 21:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Heh, guess I didn't make myself clear. I meant only one image of one equipment section. Kalani [talk] 22:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Oh, okay. I agree.
Game modes -
Is it possible to have a screenshot of the images that appear on the top right of the window that appears when you press TAB in-game? For example, the image that says "Golem War"? Kalani [talk] 09:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Nah, an explanation is fine. Freddie 21:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you now. Kalani [talk] 22:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Maps -
We need 1-3 screenshots of various maps. Kalani [talk] 09:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Are you sure? I don't think this is a very good idea. Freddie 21:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Hm...now I'm into thinking it's not such a good idea, either. Perhaps just an image of one map? To give readers an idea of how the game's graphics look. Kalani [talk] 22:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Which map? My favourite map is Twin Castle, but if I put that on... Freddie 22:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to fulfill requests by adding the images. Feel free to add your own requests. Also, if any of these requests would exceed fair use rationale, please inform us. Kalani [talk] 09:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revamp to Article

I'll be doing a revamp to the article (started 21:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)). You can feel free to help me here. Freddie 21:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Add pics anyone?

Anyone gonna add screenshots sometime? I dunno how. Bakasuprman don't be baka glitches are gone for a reason. --MrTrubak 18:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

NO!!!!!!!!!!!! I loved the glitch (especially wall). Bakaman%% 01:23, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Extensive Cleanup

I am going to begin to clean up the article, as there are several spelling/grammatical errors, and things that simply disrupt the flow and parallelism of the article. I will try to do some formatting as I go. I will list changes here, as they are made. Jaggerblade 20:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Classes

Reformatted "Swordsman" and cleaned up some non-NPOV sentences, as well as made some grammatical changes for the sake of consistency. I will shortly be applying similar formatting to the following class sections.

I deleted this line: Tips: A good move would be the warrior stun-grip, if you are new then don't attempt this, but it is rather useful. You can swing once, making sure your enemy doesn't move and then grab right away.

It's very subjective, and it isn't present in any of the other class descriptions. We could have a sub-section about stun-gripping and block-gripping, but having it here just seems wrong. Jaggerblade 20:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Similarly reformatted and cleaned up "Archer." Changed "Primary" weapon to "Melee" weapon, since most archers, several blacksmiths, and even some mages will not use melee primarily. I deleted "In early levels, the sword may do more damage initially than the bow does" because I am not sure if this statement is accurate. It can be put back in if someone actually tests it. I may try this later. Jaggerblade 20:55, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Same kinds of edits to "Blacksmith." Please go behind me and make sure the names of classes are always capitalized, to preserve consistency. Left out "that can knock out enemies in one blow" from the description of the warhammer, as one hit from a Blacksmith will not result in a knockdown, contrary to what may be suggested here. I take issue with the fact that the "greatest benefit" of the Blacksmith chaos is described in the "Chaos mode" section, because this seems like an opinion, but I left it because I'm not sure it's that bad, and I don't have any suggestion for replacing it with something else. Jaggerblade 21:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Finalized reformatting and editing to "Ninja" and "Mage", thus completing the clean-up of the class section. Left out "Tip: Mages can do multiple front grips, which can kill opponents without them even touching you. This move requires quite an amount of skill and timing. When you're opponent has JUST come out of the block of ice, grip again and your opponent should be encased again. (PS. This move can take a LONG time to master)" for the same reason as the Tip on the warrior was omitted. This is completely irrelevant, childishly written (PS? Come on, guys...), and makes no sense in this section.

I will be doing some more proofreading of my cleanup and might do this to other sections later. Once again, please help by standardizing the capitalization of class names, or making any suggestions you feel are necessary. Enough for today. Jaggerblade 21:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Nice. Might help if we got some pics of the classes. MrTrubak 22:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll look into it. Made some more corrections tonight (mostly grammatical) and deleted the following line because I feel it violates NPOV: "The greatest benefit of the Chaos Blacksmith is the fact that his normal chaos attack is incredibly devastating, unlike the swordsman, which requires using a charge-up dash in order to be very effective." Jaggerblade 01:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

From warrior: Range: "A small but heavy dagger or throwing knife with medium range and above average damage. Its base damage is second only to the Blacksmith's axe among physical projectiles and has an arc lower than the archer but higher than the Blacksmith. " This statement is completely wrong, the warrior has one of the weakest ranged attacks, it does equal damage to that of a ranger, but every other class does more damage. (We may want to specify if it is damage, or damage per second. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.75.104.223 (talk) 20:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tactics

I have noticed several people making small edits to various places in the article (mostly the classes section, though admittedly, that's where I've been doing most of my editing, so I likely wouldn't have noticed elsewhere) describing Rakion tactics. Some people directly preface this with the word "Tips" and offer them, and others are more subtly placed in descriptions of classes or characters. In my opinion, there are several problems with this:

  1. NPOV
    Wikipedia demands a neutral point-of-view, and tactics may make one class seem better than another. Rakion is a skill-based game. All the tactics have their advantages and disadvantages, and their uses and disuses. Listing all of them in random places would be absurd and would disrupt the article terribly, and listing only a few of them violates NPOV.
  2. Non-sequitur
    Most of the tactical descriptions simply do not fit where they are placed.
  3. Not verifiable
    Another Wikipedia standard is that of being verifiable, and as tactics are largely a matter of taste (some people like/dislike them, some use them and some do not, some find them devastating and others easy to counter, etc.), they really don't belong.

Now, if we were to come up with a comprehensive listing of tactics, it could have its own subsection, but I would be apprehensive about even this. The links at the bottom have lots of tactical and strategic guides and discussions, and as I've pointed out, they really don't belong on Wikipedia, per se. Plus, it would be a lot of work putting them all together to make a sort of comprehensive list (if it's even possible), and right now it just seems like a few people throwing out their favorite ways to play.

Remember, this is an encyclopedic article. It should be largely informative, and appeal to an audience of people who want to learn more about the nature of the game itself, not how one or two people enjoy playing it. I think making this article into a strategy guide (though it wouldn't be a bad subsection if people would put the time in to make it nice) is probably a really bad idea. Jaggerblade 02:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Release date confusions and event

The release date given may confuse people so I added the international launch date. The Latino launch and Mobius launch needs to be written (I don't know the dates).

I also added the event but I may need to be rewritten to avoid confusion.

That event was disappointing... canceled after the first day MrTrubak 02:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup and consistency

I have begun work on cleaning up the article as a whole. I have added a general introduction to the style of play in Rakion, removed a huge amount of weaseling and NPOV, and made the Classes section follow a specific style: (name of class) (general look of character)(wielding blah)(general information) (melee)(moveset) (ranged)(moveset) (chaos)(description of appearance)(moveset) Please keep edits to fit this style.

I still have more stuff to do however. Kargath64 07:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I have now completed my review. Tense is now consistent and much grammar has been corrected. The sections are now more concise and logical too. Virtually all NPOVness is removed. One section I could not fully revamp was the Maps section, as I'm not fully familiar with ones outside my regular play areas. Some entries I had to leave unedited, and I know the Lava War maps are missing entirely. I would also appreciate someone writing a section on the Stage maps. There might be some minor copyediting to do too, especially with consistent case of game terms (golem vs Golem). Kargath64 07:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Makeover

I'm going to be doing a series of minor edits (not necessarily all marked minor) then a complete rewrite of this article (images will be uploaded). Fredil 00:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stubification

I was just wondering, why hasn't this article undergone the same stubification that another game article such as Gunbound? This page talks about strategy and gameplay just as much as that article did. --Smoothtofu 02:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Evolutionyu - Because it doesn't need to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evolutionyu (talk • contribs) 12:11, 28 November 2006
The gunbound article was a horrible mess. HORRIBLE. This is nowhere near as bad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kargath64 (talk • contribs) 22:59, 13 February 2007

[edit] Events Page?

I would like to do a section about the events( current, past, and the roadblocks we ALL expirianced durring Halloween event) and would like some help! Im looking for

  • Event names and active dates
  • Pictures?
  • and the special rules associated with the event.

if you would like to help go to my talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Quatreryukami and post plz!!! thx muchQuatreryukami 19:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Nvmd...Quatreryukami 15:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edits

I looked over the page, and found some errors. "Assault Panzers also run much faster than their uncorrupt counterparts, and attack faster" It indicated that assault panzers are an corrupt counterpart of panzers, while in-game description shows that they are simply an elite team of panzers, not affected by Alcon.

"they move and attack quite slowly. They fire two bolts from their crossbow at close range, and even though they are quite powerful they are slow and inaccurate." The sounds of a crossbow firing will lead you to think there are two arrows, but there is only one arrow fired, and one hit registered when you are hit. They are not exactly powerful as it is weaker than a panzer. They do in fact move slowly, but at lv1 their delay in between attacks is actually the fastest among all creatures, but they load arrows longer.

"Blazer: A mage wearing red robes" No such thing, and the majority of blazer is orange in the first place.

"A Blazer that hovers high above the ground, they both have more health" They start at the same health as blazers, but actually life increased per level is less than the norm, so sky blazers at a high level has less life than normal blazers.

"If a target has low health, the Dragon flies close and hooks it with its claws." It is said to do so in the description, but was never implemented in game, there are only two attacks, fireball at long range, and a flamethrower like attack where the dragon descendes, but the claws will not hurt you.

In addition, flying creatures including dragons will be dragged to the ground after it is iced by icewind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 21:54, 18 January 2007 (talk) 141.150.78.185

[edit] Remove "Advancement" section

I think the advancement section should be removed because:

1) The article is getting too long and detailed. The description of the equipment doesn't tell the reader anything important about the game.

2) Grammar errors, and unconfirmed facts: "Arm armor have a very large Health boost, but they don't boost any attack attributes."

3) NPOV violations: "Every warrior needs weapons", "The most crucial armor, the body armor provides unmatched protection for your character"

I also don't think the description of each individual creature in the game is necessary.

If anyone disagrees with me about removal of the advancement section, state your reasons or I will remove the section a week from now on 1/3/07 MrTrubak 20:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Ew, don't even wait to remove this. I'm removing it right now. Zeratul En Taro Adun!So be it. 00:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The story...

Does exist. It can be found on the offical english website, people! Ill add it if there are no objections. Quatreryukami 17:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Really? Wow, guess I never looked there :| Heh, some people are just idiots. Zeratul En Taro Adun!So be it. 23:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
LOL! So, no objections? Im gonna add it.Quatreryukami 14:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
but ill need to summarize it first....Quatreryukami 14:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Link plz? Kargath64 04:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
its http://rakion.softnyx.net/about/story/story1.asp

The story goes on for 4 pages, so it needs summary... i need to do that still...Quatreryukami 15:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

You can do it at a user subpage, I'll be glad to help :P Zeratul En Taro Adun!So be it. 21:48, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please stop using emotive language or I will hit you for massive damage

PLEASE. Take a look at my last edit for how to write a neutral tone article. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rakion&oldid=88766779 Kargath64 04:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

you mean in the current article or in prior changes that have been revised? MrTrubak 01:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some Rewrite help

I think I can help with the rewrite that this article apparantly needs. I'll be editing it at User:Nol888/Temp/RakionRewrite

This is going to be my first major artical [semi]rewrite, I would like it if someone helped. Nol888(Talk) 23:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

To quote the StarCraft Medic: I'm on the job! Zeratul En Taro Adun!So be it. 00:32, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Man, I don't know how to begin rewriting this article. Nol888(Talk) 00:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I think the criticism section should go. difficult to remain NPOV in criticism MrTrubak 01:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The rewrite attempt is not a rewrite, it is just a cutoff. And a bad one. It only destroys the article. If someone does not want all the information, why not just skip it? What you do is hiding information from those who seek it. I really don't see why useful infomation (such as chaos modes, creatures, game modes etc) should be removed. I always prefer long arcticles to short, even if some info is redundant, inappropriate etc. Nothing forces you to read the whole thing. 83.240.24.40 18:48, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, MrTrubak. If we use outside sources for it, then it is ok, and then we must present both positive and negetive crits. Also, on another note, I have begun working on User:Nol888/Temp/RakionRewrite and are mainly working on NPOV and wording. WE NEED MORE EDITORS TO HELP! ITS ONLY ME AND NOL888 SO FAR! Sorry for the flame, but it gets your attention right? Quatreryukami 15:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
The Critisism section is going to be either rewritten or integrated with the rest of the article. Post on the talk page of that article if you want to help. Nol888(Talk)(Review me please) 17:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Why are you deleting stuff? If I am to play a new game I am interested in every detail, and Wikipedia is so much better than browsing through endless forums. For example a section on maps, or some basic strategies for each class would be nice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.240.24.40 (talk • contribs) 12:56, 21 May 2007

Well, that other information is not really covered by Wikipedia, as Wikipedia is not a game guide. Also please sign your posts with ~~~~. Nol888(Talk)(Review me please) 20:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] wording of Archer

I'm pretty sure that a character is forced to get up after a time even if they are not hit with an archers arrow. Am I wrong? I'm not going to change it to avoid an edit war but I would like some clarification. Quatreryukami 15:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Strategy Wiki

For those of you who want to talk about tactics or form a guide for Rakion, this link is the proper page for an article on strategy:

[1]

If you feel the urge to write about strategy, please go ahead and edit the page at strategy wiki. MrTrubak 01:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite for Class section

Hi I just rewrote the class section, and I'm going to continue to try to help make the article not suck... so yeah, please edit my work in the Class section if there is something incorrect, or if I put any oppinions in there. Schlubbers 14:49, 27 April 2007 Mountain time!

[edit] Removing tags

I see no discussion supporting the tag placements up top, and am removing the unsupported ones. Kargath64 08:47, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
The tags appear to have been added again, and again there is no notice on the talk page as to the supporting reasons. Removing. Kargath64 03:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where's the archer caracter?

Hello everybody

I was wondering where's the archer character in the article?


-SGTEdwards- ~~ Oct 21 2007 5:23 GMT-8~~

It seems it was removed and somebody missed it in the following vandalism. I've put it back in. Theo148 01:11, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Black Cell

Why do they keep getting removed? Please state a reason before altering the article again. Zulu Inuoe (talk) 04:20, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

Why are you removing paragraphs in Criticism? It is TRUE, that many users, including myself, have quitted the game due to too many too powerful "power users", and frequent crashes. I don't see why it shouldn't be listed in the article as an infomation and warning.83.240.24.40 (talk) 19:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC) As noone is answering, I have restored the criticism section to proper content. Please do not delete without reason. 83.240.41.206 (talk) 12:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


I am removing the section titled criticism due to its violation of WP:NPOV. MrTrubak (talk) 04:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL, how is criticism supposed to be neutral? Criticism is there in articles to present negative views on the subject. Most articles does include criticism section, I see no reason why this should be an exception. 83.240.41.206 (talk) 16:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Story" section

The Story section of the article should be removed for now, as User:71.111.157.156 did on 19 May. This is because the entire text of the section was copied directly from the Rakion website (specifically, from here), which is a copyright violation.

Unless someone can effectively paraphrase the story in such a way that it's NOT a copyvio, the section should not be included. Kal [talk] 03:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)