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The article almost doesnt cite references. There is trivia. redundant sections. Imporove it plz! Kulshi Balu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kulshi balu (talk • contribs) 08:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Official Website

The official website listed (http://www.rajkumarmemorial.com) on the main page summary is not the official website. It is a fan site. So please remove that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by K.ramesh@gmail.com (talk • contribs) 15:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Clean Up

The article is in need of a clean up in terms of sentence structures and grammar, especially towards the end of the article and i also feel that there is the need to present all the information in a Wmore neutral tone. What you say? Lamuk69 (talk) 13:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Lamuk69, can you remove the cleanup notice now ? Jay 04:41, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, I've removed it. Jay 09:06, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
It's still pretty messy. Bit of Indian grammar going on here (don't throw that back at me, I'm Indian myself). I don't know enough about the subject to fix it, though, I just came here cuz I was just sent a video clip of him singing 'If you come today', which made me laugh so hard. I put the cleanup tag back on. Riana 20:20, 25th May 2006 (UTC+9:30)
Can you be more specific, on where the grammar correction is required? - KNM 17:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
hmmmm. it's a little messy, just generally slightly stilted. i might come back one night and try to rewrite bits. riana 10:58, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fan site

This article is in desperate need of a clean up. The article seems to have had various edits by ardent fans whose opinions and edits have little value in a quality wikipedia aricle. "Waking up early in the morning", "drinking only milk" and also similar information are highly trivial and non-verifiable- and does not contribute towards the biography. This article should stop being a Fan site and start being a verifiable, balanced wikipedia article. Outlets of emotions of the fans can be had in the respective fan club web sites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.172.199.77 (talk) 00:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Singing section

There are a fair number of article dropouts, also I think the way the singing section is constructed is...problematic. Do you mean songs in films for which he had not acted, or non-film songs? Also, I believe #89 should be removed until you can locate the title of the song. I should say that I discovered this article due to a link from the Kentucky Colonel article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by UnseemlyWeasel (talk • contribs)

I assume you are referring to Songs sung by Rajkumar for others section. These are film songs only; and the data present in paranthesis provides the information on that film. Here, the term "others" refers to other actors, not himself.
#89 was not mentioned properly earlier. I just edited it and removed the phrase such as "dont know" and added the information of movie name and the year of release. Actor for that song remains same, Narasimharaju.
Hope this clarifies. Thanks - KNM Talk - Contribs 21:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] origin

The very name "swamayya" in his full name is a Kannada name, not Telugu. There are no "swamy"s amongst Telugu people.

dinesh

Dinesh, I dont know about the origin of Rajkumar. But -swamayya suffix is not patented by kannadigas. Enugula veeraswamayya is the 19th century telugu personality who wrote 'kashi yastra charitra' (a travelogue) --Vyzasatya 17:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
"...not patented..." - True Nareshov 09:54, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gajanur

There have been edit wars over the location of Gajanur, mostly by anonymous users. Well I have created a page on Gajanur. Any further discussions on this topic can be had at the talk page there. Jay 13:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charity

I have removed all sentences without proofs. Like the charity homes for widows and asking journalists not to publish his charities. Please state references for these -- Wikicheng 13:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mother Tongue

Lot of edits have been made in the recent past, changing the Rajkumar's mother tongue to and from Kannada and Tamil. Anonymous user(s) editing this page: Editing without involving in the discussion or without citing the reference, will be considered vandalism. Please discuss here before making edit.

Here are the proofs to show Dr.Rajkumar's mother tongue was indeed Kannada.

  • Raj's Gokak movement was for Kannada and he(along with majority of Kannada film industry artists and people) travelled all over Karnataka to request the rights that the language Kannada deserved. In various speechings during that movement, he has repeatedly talked about his mother tongue.
Reference: Old television clippings shown during and after Rajkumar's cremation rituals. (April 12,13,14 2006)
  • Rajkumar has talked about his mother tongue as Kannada, during the presentation ceremony of "Karnataka Ratna" award in Bangalore. Live telecasted in Doordarshan, during the presentation.
"What endeared Rajkumar to the Kannada masses was his love for his mother tongue. He actively participated in a movement for the supremacy of the Kannada language in the eighties. Rajkumar respected Kannada scholars and writers ".

Thanks. - KNM Talk - Contribs 03:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Further citations:

  • Finally here is the best citation to top all above citations.

In the documentary by name "Natasarvabhouma" on Dr.Rajkumar's early days, achievements, first 100 movies (all in Kannada), his goals and ambitions, his family details, etc. In that one, Rajkumar himself has talked in the end of the documentary and says this, in Kannada : "naanu ellirali, hegirali, nimmavanu; kannada taayiya maganu; kannada taayiya sevakanu. kannada taayi aalge, kannada taayi baalge. sirigannadam gelge." This sentence translates to: "Wherever I am, however I am, I am yours; Son of the mother Kannada; Servant of the mother Kannada. Let mother Kannada rule, let mother Kannada survive. Hail sirigannada (ie, Kannada)".

This documentary movie is easily verifiable and is available from Karnataka Film Chamber of Commerce (KFCC), and below are the details:

  • Name: Natasarvabhouma
  • Year Produced: 1967
  • Occassion: When Dr.Rajkumar was felicitated with the reward "Natasarvabhouma" in Bangalore.
  • Production: Bharath Enterprises.

- KNM Talk - Contribs 03:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

mahawiki: The tamilnation.org reference that you provided to claim that Rajkumar's mothertongue is tamil, contains a lot of wrong information. There may be a village called Singanallur in Coimbatore, but there also exists a village called Singanallur in Chamarajanagara District in Karnataka State. My family hails from this village and even today Dr.Rajkumar's ancestral home is in Singanallur. There are no tamil speaking families in this village and it consists of only kannadiga families. Also refer to all the citations that KNM has provided above. -Hamsavanidasa 20:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
But tamilnation clearly says his mothertongue is tamil.u need to mention that also!u cannot trash the citation just because u dont like it!Mahawiki 11:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Mr.Mahawiki please read this interview in rediff where Dr.Raj himself says that his mother toungue is Kannada and he also says 'My Bangalore'.. just see this link [1].He clearly says the 'I was in for a shock as Bhanu and Mani started addressing me in my mother tongue and said they hailed from 'my Bangalore'. Please do not change the mother tongue part just like that without giving any proof. NAnuyAru 17:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for ur link.The complete para is as follows-

On extending greetings in Tamil, saying vaangu [come] and vanakkam [salutations], I was in for a shock as Bhanu and Mani started addressing me in my mother tongue and said they hailed from 'my Bangalore'.""" So its proved again that Rajkumar's mother-tongue was Tamil.Rajkumar's mothertongue being Tamil doesnt make him less-great.So dont think as if its an insult.Even Tamilians dont mind to agree that Rajni's mother-tongue is Marathi.Whats so shocking about Rajkumar's mothertongue being Tamil? Mahawiki 03:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


For people who cannot comprehend english, here is the comprehension of the reference link on Rajkumar's mother tongue. Please read the quoted refrence completely before discussing it. Atleast read a few lines after your quoted text.
Quoting from the reference [2] :
"On extending greetings in Tamil, saying vaangu [come] and vanakkam [salutations], I was in for a shock as Bhanu and Mani started addressing me in my mother tongue and said they hailed from 'my Bangalore'.
To listen to Bhanu in chaste Kannada was music to my ears as I had no touch with the outside world for over three months in the jungle, except through All India Radio's daily bulletins. She said she was sent by Nedumaran to get me freed. "
Here is the brief comprehension of these two paragraphs:
Rajkumar addressed Bhanu and Mani in tamil, but they responded in Kananda, and Rajkumar was delighted to hear Kannada in the jungle.
We have no problems in accepting the facts or consider it an insult to do us, but cannot accept people going overboard on maligning articles.
Naveenbm 07:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
There's no clear conformation of Rajkumar referring Kannada as mother-tongue.Morever tamilnation.com clearly states that his mother tongue is Tamil.I want to hear ur comments about it and after that I am gonna edit the article.Plz dont force me to go for arbitration.Mahawiki 09:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
The reference [3] is in plain english, where Rajkumar clearly states that he was delighted to hear Bhanu speak in Chaste kannada. A sentence before that he says he was delighted to hear Bhanu and Mani address him in his his mother tongue (Kannada). I have added a few more references [4][5], where Rajkumar's contribution to his mother tongue is explained in Simple plain english. Please read them fully to understand the facts. A lot of talk has already happened here on the tamilnation.com as a reference, I don' want to repeat the same arguments again. Which one would look more credible, a Chauvinistic website (tamilnation.com) or a website which has a pan-national outlook (rediff.com). Over and above, a lot of other credible sources on Rajkumar's mother tongue has been presented above. Naveenbm 11:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Mr. Mahawiki I think you can understand the simple English given in that link if not please take somebody's help to interpret that correctly.Even after giving so much proof you have not understood what is written in those articles or you are not trying to understand. This clearly says that u just want to drag this discussion.Please stop this. Admins please look at this and see to that Mahawiki does not edit the article without giving proper proof NAnuyAru 22:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] adding video link

i am adding a video link on youtube to one of rajkumar's memorable songs. i think the *average* reader finds this far more entertaining/informative than a collection of 100 films in which he played king or god or a policeman. i understand there are big-time rajkumar fans like Gnanapiti who demand that the article be exactly the way they want it to be, i regret wikipedia is not meant to be used that way.

incase you think this constitutes linkspam, you should go and read what linkspam really means. --ti 17:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a source for providing entertainment. The video is highly irrelevant to the context of the article. Just because a few people find it entertaining, does not mean it has to be linked on Wikipedia. I don't see the video serving any purpose nor does it add any value to the article. -- Naveen (talk) 17:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Many articles have youtube links showing songs of singers eg. Beatles#Song_samples, videos of actors, because that is an example of their artform. Not just to serve as entertainment. how does adding a collection of 100 films starring RK as a policeman or king add any value to the article then? --ti 23:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Neither I'm a fan of Rajkumar nor I want the article exactly the way I want. But as an editor of wikipedia, I'm only interested in the quality of the article. Don't mislead by giving some false links. The example of Beatles article you have given doesn't link to youtube or any other external site for that matter. So, stop lying and contribute anything constructive if you can. Gnanapiti 00:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
  1. i am not giving false links. here you go: M. S. Subbulakshmi#External links - sample videos on youtube.
  2. the beatles article has sound clips, so they dont have external links. give me a video clip of the rajkumar song, and i will gladly add it on here.
  3. you still havent answered why the entire list of films with his varying roles adds to the quality of the article (which you are ever-willing to defend) or serves any purpose.
  4. if you werent a fan, you would not call me a "loser" or other personal abuses of your choice as you did on my talk page. unfortunately there are crazier nutcase fans than you who would not restrain themselves in the face of criticism.
  5. if wikipedia biographies were meant to be edited only by fans of people, Hitler would be venerated out here. the very reason to allow anyone to edit and add information is to give a balanced point of view. just because a select few editors monitor these articles does not mean noone else should be allowed to contribute.
  6. i dont think i am alone in "creating an issue". clearly it has been two of us who have been doing it.

--ti 00:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


Only point worth replying-
If you feel list of films doesn't fit in the article, raise the issue in talk page. If all editors who contributed to this article agree, we can certainly remove that section. After all, that section is a hard work of some dedicated editor(s). As far as link to youtube is concerned, not many of us think it's appropriate on the article.
Regarding rest of your gibberish, I didn't call you a loser, so stop whining. Article is open for editing for anyone. And if you think adding youtube link gives "balanced point of view" to the article, I can't talk much. regards Gnanapiti 20:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
you did call me a loser on my talk page, in response to my question on your talk page which asked why you removed the link. go and check, if you have forgotten. replying to an innocent question with a personal attack is the main reason why i started whining in the first place. about time you came down from your moral high horse. --ti 00:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Memorable songs

The section Rajkumar#Memorable songs of Rajkumar seems bit odd in this article, and apparently just POV of some editor(s) who have generated that list. "Memorable" is a subjective item. Is it published in any article from any of the reliable sources? If yes, we can mention few of them as part of a paragraph, citing the reference. If not, we can completely remove this section. Any suggestions/comments? - KNM Talk 02:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Anyone? I will remove this section, tomorrow, unless there is a valid justification for it. Thanks - KNM Talk 05:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Since there was/is no objection, I am going to remove this section now. Thanks - KNM Talk 23:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Rk4.jpg

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[edit] Dr. Rajukumar

As I have experienced some of Wikipedia's rules, some sentences in the introduction need references. Furthermore, the language resembles a fansite at times, and as I saw on other articles, words like icon should never appear in an encyclopedia. I therefore took the liberty and rewrote it partially. please help me improve Kannada articles. I also want to be a user.

[edit] Dr. Rajukumar

i added tags because i want it to be improved, please add more references like on the page of henry fonda. he deserves a better article

plz dont remove tags they are important —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kulshi balu (talk • contribs) 11:53, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed move to Rajkumar (actor)

I don't see any valid justification why this article takes the entire Rajkumar namespace. Possibly, it could take the Dr. Rajkumar (actor) namespace, or the Rajkumar (actor) namespace, but neither Rajkumar or Dr. Rajkumar due to the existence of other notable persons who have the same name. Therefore, it is only reasonable that the Rajkumar namespace should redirect to the disambiguation page Raj Kumar, while this article should be under the Rajkumar (actor) namespace, referred to in the disambiguation page as Dr. Rajkumar (actor). However, if there is any valid and reasonable justification to the contrary, then please clearly indicate (as I have yet to see any). Ncmvocalist (talk) 11:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

1 comment: there is no other notable person with name Rajkumar or Dr. Rajkumar till now. Bollywood actor's name is Raaj Kumar.GDibyendu (talk) 07:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Some suggestions

Introduction paragraph can be changed to:

Dr. Rajkumar (Kannada:ಡಾ. ರಾಜ್ಕುಮಾರ್), born as Singanalluru Puttaswamayya Muthuraju (Kannada:ಸಿಂಗನಲ್ಲೂರು ಪುಟ್ಟಸ್ವಾಮಯ್ಯ ಮುತ್ತುರಾಜು) on April 24, 1928, died on April 12, 2006, was the most popular actor in Kannada film industry. He mainly worked in Karnataka and usually seen as a role model to Kannadigas.[citation please]

He is popularly referred as "Dr. Raj" or "Natasarvabhouma" (Soverign King of Acting?) or "Annavru" ((Kannada: ಅಣ್ಣಾವ್ರು) (Big Brother)). He was called as the John Wayne of South Indian cinema.[1] He acted in more than 200 Kannada movies in a career spanning over five decades. Most of his movies were epic films (myhological?) in Kannada film industry. He was also a well-known singer, both as a playback singer in movies and as a devotional singer. His voice is referred as kogile kanta (Voice of Koel?). Rajkumar is the only Indian actor who has received national awards for both acting and singing.[2] (Great info: add interlinks for acting to National Awards for Actor page, and similarly for singing also)

I didn't make these changes, particularly because I am not sure of English meaning of some words and phrases used here. But English meanings are needed for English Wikipedia, I feel. I can volunteer for interlinking work and minor rephrasing of sentences, if needed. I understand that it is an important article. Thanks.GDibyendu (talk) 07:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)