Talk:Railway engines (Thomas and Friends)

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[edit] Standards for this article

As a part of the work done by WikiProject Thomas, some standards for this article have been established. These are to ensure that this article, WikiProject Thomas articles, and Wikipedia as a whole, are of high quality and maintain their integrity. The development of these standards can be viewed at both WikiProject Thomas Talk, and this page's Archive 1.

These standards include the following:

[edit] Character inclusion/exclusion

The basis for characters being included in this article, is dependent upon the following:

  • The character must be a railway engine from the TV Series Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends (AKA Thomas and Friends). This clearly rules out any characters which have only appeared in The Railway Series or films.
  • The character must be able to be considered a part of the "regular fleet" of engines in the series. If not featured in recent seasons, the character must be able to feasibly return. If the character cannot be seen as a "regular" (eg. only had one appearance), then the correct article for the character is Minor characters from Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends.
  • This page is to be the only reference page (from a TV Series perspective) for all engines, except the following major characters:

As such, separate articles should not be created for any engines other than those above.

[edit] Naming conventions

Some engines have, throughout history, have had "extended names", such as "Thomas the Tank Engine". There are only eight "extended names" which are considered appropriate, based on their consistent use throughout earlier seasons of the TV Series, as well as their origins in The Railway Series books. These are:

  • Thomas the Tank Engine
  • Edward the Blue Engine
  • Henry the Green Engine
  • Gordon the Big Engine
  • James the Red Engine
  • Percy the Small Engine
  • Toby the Tram Engine
  • Duck the Great Western Engine

Any other engines being given descriptive names (eg. "Murdoch the Mighty Engine") does not have any consistent, official basis. Please consider that using an adjective to describe an engine does not therefore make it an official naming convention.

   I heard that it was Gordon the Express Engine, not Big Engine.

   - Please re-read the section above. Gonzerelli, 13 Feb 2007.

[edit] Character list

The use of the character list at the head of this article bypasses the need for a Table Of Contents, and conveniently displays information, while anchor-linking within this article to each character's section. It is listed in order of first appearance within the series, which may not necessarily be the same order as they are listed within the article proper. This is intentional, as "Engines 1-11" can be placed in numerical order in the article, though Gordon (#4) appeared in the Series before Edward or Henry (#2 & #3).

[edit] Numbers

This has been the subject of some heated discussion in the past. Despite some engines (particularly diesel engines) carrying numbers (often similar as their prototypes upon which they were based), this often has no bearing on actual running of the railways in the Series. As such, it has been declared that ONLY the following engines' numbers will be specified in the Character List:

  • 1-11 Standard Gauge (Thomas, Edward, Henry, Gordon, James, Percy, Toby, Duck, Donald, Douglas, Oliver)
  • 1-7 Narrow Gauge (Skarloey, Rheneas, Sir Handel, Peter Sam, Rusty, Duncan, Fearless Freddie)
  • 27 (Harvey - "the number 27, including the Narrow Gauge engines and excluding Diesel, accurately reflects him being the 27th addition to the fleet of engines working on Sodor. [Quoted direct from article])

[edit] Images

By the very nature of this article, one picture per section depicting each character is acceptable, and indeed enhances this article greatly. However, as we may only use one image per character, the choice of image is incredibly important. The images should be clear, and where possible show as much of the engine as possible - ideally their face, funnel, wheels, body, and tender (if applicable). As these images have been carefully selected over time, it is considered harmful to change these images without discussion, or without the "new" image being obviously more appropriate.

[edit] Miscellaneous

  • Use of terminology:- "Engine" or "engines" is the correct terminology to use for this artcle, rather than "locomotive" or "train".
  • As this TV Series is a British series, British spelling and grammar should be used, rather than American spelling or grammar.
  • The section titles should not be changed, as changing them would mess with anchored links from dozens of other articles.
  • As with all other articles, superfluous comments which add nothing to the article are inappropriate, and should be removed.

[edit] Please, feel free to discuss

While the above standards may seem restrictive and stifling, it has been necessary to reach a set of common standards after over a year of editing this page (to my knowledge). However, if you disagree with any of these standards, or wish to discuss them, then please feel free to do so. We always welcome valuable input from other users.

On behalf of WikiProject Thomas,

Gonzerelli 17:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heading levels

I noticed that the heading levels in this article depart from the usual Wikipedia standard of starting at level 2 (i.e. ==) and instead start at level 1 (i.e. =). Rather than simply fixing it, I thought I'd point it out so as to make certain there wasn't some local consensus, especially since this article, like the rest of the Thomas articles is plagued with unhelpful anonymous edits. Caerwine Caer’s whines 20:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please add Rosie

Dear friends

For all who like Thomas the Tank Engune and his friends, please add photo of Rosie, because my son miss it and asked me where it is, we searched in the history of the article but we could not find it, so please hlep Rosie to join her friends.

Ahmed —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ahmed Alhasanyah (talk • contribs) 08:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

If you actually look at the article, you will find Rosie there, at the bottom of the "Standard Gauge Engines" section, complete with picture.
I've also removed the section you added to this talk page which was almost a direct carbon copy of this section.
Gonzerelli 01:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Daer Mr/Ms. Gonzerelli Thanks for ur comment, but plz know, that me and my son tell now can not find photo of Rosie, yes there is article about her, but no photo in this article, we well be greetful if u or anybody can add it, and also if u can add more abouth Thomas abd his friends.

With best wishes Ahmed

Ahmed, click this link. It will take you to the part of the article that has a description of Rosie and her picture. Gwernol 18:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Ahmed, there is a pic of Rosie, and this isn't needed anymore.--S.C.Ruffeyfan 17:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neville and Dennis

A thought here...at the moment, these two engines are on the 'major' character page. However, since they have only appeared within one season (and then one episode), maybe they should be transferred to the 'minor' characters section. Molly makes numerous cameos, which saves her, but these two don't.

Just a suggestion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CBFan (talk • contribs) 16:30, 17 December 2006 (UTC).

At the moment, they've got the benefit of the doubt, as Season 9 is still very recent. Should there be a Season 11, and should they not appear in that season, then yes I would be moving for them to be transferred to Minor Characters. Gonzerelli 05:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thanks

Mr. Gwernol thanks for ur help as also thanks for Mr./Ms. Gonzerelli, and hope if some friends can add the song of Thomas in words and audio.

Ahmed Alhasanyah 20:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Superfluous comments

The following superfluous comments have been continually reverted. The reasons for these reverts have been clearly stated in edit summaries, however the unregistered user(s) making these edits are clearly not reading these reasons. While I doubt they will read the Talk page, I am hoping they will, and in any case this is to make things clearer.

  • Duncan is painted bright orange. "Bright yellow-orange" is not an appropriate statement - the "yellow-" part adds nothing to the sentence, and in fact makes the whole section look indecisive and somewhat childish.
  • Harvey - there have been two issues lately. Firstly is the issue of "gold stripes" - Harvet does NOT have gold stripes (at very least not in the context in which other engines, such as Henry, have stripes). There is gold lettering, gold numerals, gold in the machinery of his crane arm and some gold outlining key areas of the body of the engine. But stripes, no. The current statement of "dull red, with some gold" is correct.
The second point is the mention of a mechanical claw, apparently seen since Season 9. This statement contains information which *could* be useful, but I cannot see how it can be included here without being superfluous. Indeed, nothing I have reverted to this effect has been worthy of keeping.

Full reasons for the deletion of superfluous comments as a whole can be found at WP:THOMAS/FAQ.

Gonzerelli 13:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Helpful or unnecessary?

Whilst on the subject of what is considered superfluous and what isn't... Why has this been reverted, whereas in the next paragraph, the following sentence has been left in:

In The Railway Series, he was also given a red coat of paint, however in the TV Series he retained his green colour.

?

Surely if any mention of differences between the two series is disallowed/unnecessary, then this latter sentence should go too?

Quackdave 13:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

You do have a valid point. There is an apparent inconsistency here. As far as possible, WP:THOMAS members have agreed that the articles on the TV Series and Railway Series (books) characters will keep to the one media. In most cases this has been achieved, although the engines of the Skarloey Railway have not been fully processed yet.
The answer here is twofold. Firstly, the difference in engine colour between the book and TV character is very significant in terms of identification, so I think it IS valid to include it here. Secondly, the difference of who gave the special funnel is actually quite trivial. Although there is a definite factual difference (the Thin Controller being the donor in the books), in reality it makes no difference who gave the special funnel, so the real answer is to re-write the sentence to remove the reference requiring clarification.
EdJogg 14:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe this is helpful for the article: "Murdoch... is painted orange with gold stripes. Murdoch clearly has gold stripes on his boiler, and I don't know why my statement was deleted. --BigThomasFan 01:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Having investigated further, you are right, it would be consistent for Murdoch's section to include the colour of his 'stripes', in the same way that all the other tender engines are described. However, are you sure they are gold? (Two recent edits, also reverted, described them as red and green, which would seem sensible for an orange engine).
Having just watched Peace and Quiet on YouTube, he clearly has green and red lining...
EdJogg 22:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prototypes

why are the prototypes on the list? isn't this superfluous, since most engines are based on the railway series characters rather than the original prototypes? and for those who aren't, the prototypes are already mentioned in their sections anyway.

it looks like a step backwards to me.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.138.23.240 (talk • contribs) 13:27 - 01 May 2007.

This table started off as a TableOfContents substitute, but with the running number and 'first appearance' details added. The inclusion of this extra information means that the table is now rather more than just a TOC. So, if this 'extra information' is allowed to remain (and I see no reason why it shouldn't) there is equally no reason why the acres of whitespace to the right shouldn't be utilised for something worthwhile.
I would agree that the prototype information is duplication, however it is being presented in summary form, and hence such duplication is probably acceptable. As for the fact that the Railway Series -based characters were based on the Railway Series characters, which were themselves based on real prototypes, it makes sense to include appropriate prototype information for ALL engines, whatever their ancestry, to be consistent. Readers looking for prototype information would probably like to find it all in one place (this does not mean it should be stripped-out from the existing articles).
What IS needed is some serious copy-editing and linking, as the existing text is not up to standard at present.
EdJogg 14:43, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Fergus2.jpg

Image:Fergus2.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:PeterSam2.jpg

Image:PeterSam2.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] Diesel: black or brown?

It's a minor point, but I keep getting reverted on this so I thought I'd bring it here. Is Devious Diesel colored black or dark brown? From what I see, he is a very dark brown, but he is not black. Donald and Douglas are black, but Diesel is not the same color. The picture given doesn't make it so obvious, but I remember especially when watching Diesel's first appearance that there is little room for doubt that he's actually dark brown. --Hnsampat 14:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the trouble to discuss this here. My apologies if your (good-faith) edits have been lost in passing. This and the other 'Thomas' character articles attract a high level of unencyclopaedic content, usually from anon editors: fan fiction, superfluous or suspicious detail (see WP:THOMAS/FAQ), changes from British to American English (it is a British series), speculation about future episodes, etc. At present, the other Wikipedians who agreed on the level of acceptable content (ie acceptable for Wikipedia) seem to be taking an extended Wikibreak, and I am the only project member keeping an eye on the pages to maintain the standard of content. As such, it is often necessary to revert a whole raft of unwanted edits in one go. Occasionally a 'good' edit goes with them, although I try to re-instate any that appear to be worthwhile.</rant>
Now, to Diesel...
In the books, Diesel is undoubtedly black. The prototype on British Rail was painted black, initially, and later green, blue, and various modern TOC colours, but never brown. The Ertl model is black, and I suspect the other models are too. So I am surprised to find that you consider him painted dark brown.
Agreed, 'black' Coca Cola is actually deep red, when held up to the light, and my black cat is actually a very dark brown, when he sprawls out in the sun, but I don't think the same applies to Diesel.
If you can provide a screenshot which shows him to be brown, and there is concensus here to change, then I am willing to accept that this is yet another case where Britt Allcroft & Co got the colour wrong!!
EdJogg 11:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I can actually do better than a screenshot. On YouTube, I found the video of Diesel's first appearance ("Pop Goes the Diesel"). As you watch, starting at 0:45, you'll see how Diesel is a very dark brown, but not black. It might be worth noting in the article that he's black in the books, though. --Hnsampat 23:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

He does look a bit chocolatey, but I always took him to be black too! I can't abide that narration - sorry! –MDCollins (talk) 23:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I think you'll find that's oily black! Also, check out the lyrics to Pop Goes the Weasel#In Fiction -- that says black too. Nevertheless, I think its simplest if the article sticks with plain 'black'. EdJogg 01:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes as said before Diesel is black for in the song "Pop Goes the Diesel" it says "In and out he creeps about, like a big BLACK weasel" Diesel 10 04:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Update images of NG locos?

Should or should we not update the pictures of the earlier Narrow Gauge engines? I'm sure everyone can see a great difference from the old models and the new ones. Diesel 10 04:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

If there are differences between old and new models, these should both be shown, although the correct place for this is on the engine's individual page, not this page.
However, there is not much point doing it here, as the new images will be deleted fairly quickly. All 'fair-use' images (which includes all screenshots) must be provided with an adequate 'Fair Use Rationale' to explain why its use should be permitted in Wikipedia. It is unlikely that an adequate FUR can be provided for any 'Thomas' screenshot, and hence it will not be long before the 'Thomas' articles are clear of screenshot images. (Unless someone comes up with a FUR that is acceptable, and I don't have the time to try.)
Alternatively, the current format of pages has been 'rescued' to TrainSpotting World where restrictions are more lenient. There is still a requirement to acknowledge copyrighted/fair-use images and provide Fair-Use Rationales, but screenshots are permitted.
'Before and after' pictures would be a good idea...
EdJogg 12:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FUR for screenshots

I have created a FUR for the pics. Before I use it I want to know what the rest of you think.

This image is of Skarloey from the TV series Thomas and Friends. This picture is to help inhance the artical in which it has been placed. Although it is used for our informal purposes is can be as an advertisement for advertising the TV show from which it is from. This is why the the owners (HIT Entertainment) would probley not wish for it to be removed. It helps us and at the same time helps them. Diesel 10 12:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for taking this on board, it needs someone that has rather more time than I do at present.
I found a useful FUR yesterday, which might be adapted for the 'Thomas' screenshots: see Image:Miss Sedusa.JPG. While I cannot be certain that the FUR for that image is enough to satisfy WP requirements, it is certainly a good start, and should be enough to stop the images from being speedy deleted.
In addition to the four lines from that image FUR, you could mention that the image is being used to aid identification of the character.
Note that for each image you will also need to specify who owns the copyright (ie HIT Entertainment), and where the image was obtained from ('the source').
Please post your (new) suggestion here so that I can check it before you apply it to the images. There are several typing/grammar issues with the paragraph you wrote above, and you would want to avoid copying these onto 100+ images!
EdJogg 13:24, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

This image is of Skarloey from the TV series "Thomas and Friends". This picture is to enhance the artical it's from as well as help describe the character in question. This image is copyrighted to HIT Entertainment and is sourced from the Thomas and Friends episode "The Grand Openning". This image is use for our informational purposes but may also be considered as advertising for the TV series so it helps us and the owners which is why I'm sure they would not wish to remove the images. It helps us and them.

How's that? Diesel 10 06:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking more along the lines of this:


==Summary==
This image is of the Thomas & Friends character: Skarloey.
It is believed that its use in Railway engines (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends) counts as 'Fair Use' for the reasons stated below.
  • Copyright owner: HIT Entertainment plc
  • Source: Thomas & Friends, Season 7, Episode 21: "The Grand Opening"
  • Screen capture by: <name>or<URL>
===Fair use rationale===
  1. The image is of low resolution
  2. The image does not limit the copyright owners' rights to distribute the source product in any way.
  3. For an article about an animated television series, images are very important for identifying individual characters and add significantly to the article.
  4. The image is only being used for informational purposes.


Sorry for not getting back to you sooner (family complications).
As I mentioned earlier, adding this to the images may not be enough in the long-term, but it should certainly prevent immediate deletions due to lack of FUR.
Incidentally, don't mention the 'advertising' side of things. YOU know that it's in HIT's interest for us to use the image, and I know that too, but the legal position is clear, and HIT could complain about these images being present on WP if they so chose.
EdJogg 12:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

So it's agreed? We use that FUR? Until we create a better one? Diesel 10 00:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Please do. Until someone complains, we should be able to use this one to stop any more images being deleted. (You'll notice that a number were bot-deleted overnight.)
EdJogg 09:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I've started adding the FURS and have done upto Arry and Bert and I will do some more tomorrow. I don't know what episode Percy and Toby are from by the way. Diesel 10 08:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

The FUR didn't work! The Gordon image was deleted and I added the FUR to it!

[edit] Daisy

It is my opinion that Daisy should be transfered to the Minor Characters page. This is because she has only been featured in 3 episodes and was in Calling All Engines. This is the same with George the Steamroller but he is in the Minor Characters section. Diesel 10 06:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

There are other characters who have appeared in only a few episodes too, although it is not always clear from the text. 'Neville' for example, only appeared in one episode.
It is debatable whether 'cameos' should count as appearances, in which case several more should be moved. (New characters should be considered minor until it is established how many episodes they feature in...)
What should the threshold be? One appearance, two, three?
There is a bigger problem on the 'vehicles' page where major characters such as Bertie are mixed with minor or insignificant characters.
Perhaps you could list your proposed changes at WP:THOMAS talk page for wider discussion?
EdJogg 12:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Toby.jpg

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BetacommandBot 04:53, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shouts

I feel the article shouts due to uncalled-for using exclamations and statements that don't belong in encyclopedias. Anyone care to edit them away? 22:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggest splitting off the narrow guage/Skarloey Railway engiines

The article is getting a bit long, plus the Skarloey Railway uses its own numbering sequence starting at 1 with Skarloey, so an article separating out the narrow gauge engines of the Skarloey Railway would also help to deconfuse the table. Caerwine Caer’s whines 19:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Just recently I proposed re-writing the pages for NG engines to meet the standards of Thomas the Tank Engine, Gordon the Big Engine and pages of the likes.
I think if we create Narrow gauge characters (Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends), we can bring the profiles for Bertram, Proteus and other minor ones - to settle the dispute of minor characters. Then we can bring the rest of the minor characters to the other pages, and be rid of Minor characters from Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends. We should carry this over to the WP:Thomas talk page for further discussion.

--Rusty5 20:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, yes as it was said on the WP:THOMAS page I'm willing to do the move. And of cause I agree. Diesel 10 07:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Whiff picture

Was Image:Whifff1.png removed from the Whiff section of the because it was a picture of the toy instead of a screenshot, or because it got taken down in the innumerable IP edits this article is plagued by? Caerwine Caer’s whines 04:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

It really just keeps appearing and re-appearing, but I first removed it because it's just a picture of the model. I'd rather wait for an actual screenshot from the show. Plus remember that the picture was smuggled to us from someone with ties to HiT... Rusty5 12:20, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
No problem, tho I have no idea what HiT is. I'm not a Soderphile, but got attracted to helping keep watch over this page because of all the IP vandalism it receives. Caerwine Caer’s whines 18:03, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

HiT is the company that owns Thomas. So if they found out that we had that picture before the season was even released, we'd have a serious issue on the hands of the kind user who gave us the pic. Anything else you need to know about the issues behind Thomas and these pages you can ask me about. Rusty5 19:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

As I have been watching over this page and I have noticed another image posted by the same user who took the picture of Whiff. He name is Soursour. He posted the Sir Handel picture, I went to investigate further and found that he claims that he is "the copyright holder" of the picture. A first I though that's rubbish but then I saw the picture of Whiff posted by him and I'm sure that is the actual model so it think he is someone in HIT, probably of high status. He has also posted the picture of Jeremy on the Non-Rail Characters page. Diesel 10 08:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't think so. The image was leaked to TV.com months ago; lots of people have been posting it on YouTube and such. Starkiller 22:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Whiff

"Whiff is a dark green 2-2-4 rubbish-collecting tank engine with dark green wheels and glasses, the first engine character in the TV series to do so."

This bit doesn't seem to read correctly, it is supposed to mean that it is the first engine to wear glasses? The first engine to have dark green wheels + glasses? Cmiag 09:08, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it's supposed to mean he is the first engine to have glasses ;). Diesel 10 08:41, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:E m i l y.JPG

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BetacommandBot 03:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pics

Why were the pics deleted? S.C.Ruffeyfan16:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

The fair use policy for copyrighted pictures, which screen shots invariably are, call for minimal use, so for those engines which have articles of their own, having an image appear both here and in the other article would to some be more than minimal usage. That explains some, but not all of the effort to purge images from this article. Some of the others have gone by the wayside because source information for the pictures weren't provided or a fair use rationale wasn't given, which caused the picture to be deleted not just from the article, but the entire Wiki. For very good reason, the powers that be are very careful about copyrighted material here. Caerwine Caer’s whines 18:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spam!

There have been loads and loads of spam on this page!! There have even been hoax info about season 13!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That has now got the page fully protected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I even reverted that f*cking spam!

I will show you this pice of spam! SteveRamone thought the hoax characters on this pice of spam where existing characters for season 13 in 2009!!!!!!!!!

Here are the hoax characters in the pice of spam Steve Ramone thought are valid:


[edit] Fat controller's engines

(hoax info engines)

  • Benjamin-is a green diesel who works on the main line taking passangers on long jorneys or hauling freight. He speaks in an american accent and is based on a British Rail Class 31.

He was teased by BoCo once!

  • Mandy-is a green 0-6-0 snazzy tender engine who's favorate thing is takeing passangers on long jorneys but she hates pulling freight, She thinks that will spoil her beaty. She is panted dark green with gold stripes. (She is the second beautiful engine on sodor the first (emily) and she is sodor's 4th female steam engine (Others Rosie,Molly and Emily) and she is the 5th to have shiney buffers). Her closest friends are Emily,Molly and Rosie. She speaks in a scottish accent and is based on a SECR C Class. She was teased by Donald and Douglas twice. Donald and Douglas first teased Mandy for her high pitch wistle by saying its annoying (Mandy's wistle sounds just like Emily's wistle when she was introduced in Season 7) then Donald and Douglas teased her from not being from scotland but Mandy's driver said that Mandy was from scotland (the east highlands) and so was her driver and fireman so the Fat controller Scolded the twins and they were never cheeky to Mandy again.

Donald and Douglas teased her about her wistle in episode (hoax episode) The twins tease Mandy! and they Teased her for not being from scotland in episode (hoax episode) Are you scottish Mandy?

  • Stephen-is a Big maroon 4-6-2 express engine. He was saved from scrap by Benjamin the deisel engine. He workes now on the Fat controller's railway where he has been resored to the LMS Livery. He speaks in an welsh accent and is based on a LMS Princess Coronation Class. He is the 6th engine to have shiny buffers and aso the first engine to have shiney oval shaped buffers and he is the 2nd engine to have smoke deflectors. He is not to be confused by the Aroplane stephen.

Vick Vick is a black tender engine with the same body as Neville. In Vick comes to the Island, Vick is brought into the yard by BoCo and Mavis. Thomas knows that Vick is a really kind engine and Vick wants to work with him.

Vick is based on a Bulleid "Q1" Engine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CBFan (talk • contribs) 10:50, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Visiting engines

(hoax info engines)

  • Duke of Gloucester-is a 4-6-2 visiting engie to the island of sodor. He helped the engines on the main line until he wnt to the other part of the island that no engines saw him. His cachprase is "You can never get away from his grace!". He is based on a BR Standard Class 8.
Rheneasfan2 (talk) 14:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding my reversion

These changes didn't appear to be vandalism, which is why I reverted the edit. The changes appeared to be well-informed albeit unsourced. If it's a joke, it's quite a well-conceived one given that it's written in a sensible way {except for the poor English} with info that doesn't seem out of place. If it had been obvious vandalism, I wouldn't have reverted it. Maybe I'm naive, but I did it in good faith. SteveRamone (talk) 17:36, 25 November 2007 (UTC)