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[edit] Post hoc does not imply that these pages need to be merged

But they clearly do need to be merged. You can follow the discussion here and good on you for picking up something so obvious but which has eluded so many people. - Grumpyyoungman01 08:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Audioslave article

Hi there!

I am currently working on the improvement of the Audioslave article, now about halfway done, I'm opting to make it a featured article, but that is a lot of work. It isn't visible on the article yet, I haven't saved any changes, I want to save the whole thing once, when it's complete. I'm not from an English speaking country, I'm from Hungary, so I'm not really good in writing, expressing my thoughts in English, or not on that sophisticated level the feature article criteria requires, but I try to do my best. So the reason I'm writing to you is that if you'd like to help me in any way, e.g. finding sources, references, citations, any ideas on how to improve the article, maybe images, you're really welcome! Of course, if you like Audioslave as much as I do and would like to see it as a featured article. The best would be if you could help me with English, the grammar and stuff like that. So if you're interested I can send you the work I've done maybe in e-mail or some way, I don't think it would be good if I copied it to the talk page, it's pretty long and currently I'm just working on it in Microsoft Word. You can check it then and see if you have anything to add or help/correct. So anyways, if you're interested just say so.

Thank you very much in advance. Gocsa 17:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I don't bother with the e-mail, I give you the lead section here as a starter (I'm dealing with some minor glitches on the body of the article):
Audioslave was an alternative/hard rock supergroup that consisted of the former instrumentalists of Rage Against the Machine; Tom Morello (guitar), Tim Commerford (bass and backing vocals) and Brad Wilk (drums), together with Chris Cornell of Soundgarden as their lead vocalist and rhythm guitarist. The band formed in Los Angeles, California in 2001, shortly after the break-up of Rage Against the Machine. After releasing three highly successful albums, and selling more than 8 million records worldwide,[1][2] on February 15, 2007, Chris Cornell issued a statement that he was permanently leaving the band "due to irresolvable personality conflicts as well as musical differences". The announcement came two weeks after Morello, Commerford and Wilk announced that they would be reuniting with their former vocalist Zack de la Rocha to reform Rage Against the Machine.[3] As the the three of them were now busy with the reunion tours and Morello and Cornell both released solo albums in 2007, Audioslave was officially disbanded after the departure of the lead singer.[4]
Although during the early stages of its career the band was often described as an amalgamation of two bands, Rage Against the Machine and Soundgarden,[5] or Rage Against the Machine's fractured parts fronted by a different vocalist, Soundgarden's Chris Cornell,[6][7] by the time of the release of the second album, Out of Exile, most critics agreed that Audioslave was more than just the sum of its parts[8][9] and members were getting closer to finding their identity as a cohesive band.[10][11][12]
Audioslave's trademark sound was created by blending '70s hard rock (their music was often compared to Led Zeppelin or Bad Company[13][14]) and '60s and '70s soul and R&B influences[15] with the ‘90s grunge sound of Nirvana and Soundgarden. [14] Moreover, Morello's well-known, experimental solos brought an inimitable, unique flavour into this mix.[16]
As with Rage Against the Machine, the band prided itself on the fact that all sounds on their albums were produced using only guitar, bass, drums and vocals, no samples were ever used.[17]
References
  1. ^ "pegasusnews.com – New CD Releases", pegasusnews.com, 2006-09-03. Retrieved on 2007-08-20. 
  2. ^ Worldwide Albums Selling Data – TOTAL By Artists Name 06-07. Worldwide Albums Selling Data. Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
  3. ^ Harris, Chris. "MTV News – Chris Cornell Talks Audioslave Split, Nixes Soundgarden Reunion", MTV, 2007-02-15. Retrieved on 2007-08-20. 
  4. ^ Toazted – Video interview with Tom Morello. Toazted (2007). Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
  5. ^ Roberts, Michael (2003-07-16), Cleveland Scene – Slave New World, Cleveland Scene, <http://www.clevescene.com/2003-07-16/music/slave-new-world>. Retrieved on 20 August 2007 
  6. ^ Altman, Billy. "Yahoo! Music – Rage-Cornell Audioslave To Hit Stores November 19", Yahoo! Music, 2002-09-13. Retrieved on 2007-08-20. 
  7. ^ Knopper, Steve (2003-04-13), Chicago Tribune - Reviewer critiques pop music in terms of family values, Chicago Tribune, <http://www.knopps.com/CTPluggedIn.html>. Retrieved on 20 August 2007 
  8. ^ Patriquin, Martin (2005-10-06), Ottawa Xpress - Audioslave, Ottawa XPress, <http://www.ottawaxpress.ca/music/music.aspx?iIDArticle=7349>. Retrieved on 20 August 2007 
  9. ^ Gray, Christopher (2005-06-10). The Austin Chronicle – Out of Exile review. The Austin Chronicle. Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
  10. ^ Brecheisen, Dave (2005-06-10). PopMatters – Audioslave – Out of Exile review. PopMatters. Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
  11. ^ Erlewine, Stephen Tomas. All Music Guide – Out of Exile review. All Music Guide. Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
  12. ^ Kaye, Don. Blabbermouth.net – Out of Exile review. Blabbermouth.net. Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
  13. ^ Danesi, Andrew (2006-10-07). Perpetual Toxins – Revelations review. Perpetual Toxins. Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
  14. ^ a b Neven, Tom, Plugged In Online – Interview with Tim Commerford of Audioslave, Plugged In Online, <http://www.pluggedinonline.com/thisweekonly/a0002248.cfm>. Retrieved on 20 August 2007 
  15. ^ Parillo, Michael, Modern Drummer – Interview with Brad Wilk, Modern Drummer, <http://www.moderndrummer.com/updatefull/200001513>. Retrieved on 20 August 2007 
  16. ^ Deeds, Michael. MichaelDeeds.com – Supergroup Audioslave: Not exactly all the Rage. MichaelDeeds.com. Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
  17. ^ The Audioslave Fan Forum – Audioslave FAQ. The Audioslave Fan Forum. Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
Gocsa 17:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Audioslave article body, first part

Here is the first part of the body, about the formation and naming of the band:

--History--

[edit] Formation (2000–2001)

Main articles: Rage Against the Machine and Soundgarden

Audioslave's history dates back to October 18, 2000, when lead vocalist Zack de la Rocha announced he was leaving Rage Against the Machine which led to the band's break up. [1] The remaining three members of the band decided to stay together and announced plans to continue with a new vocalist.[2] Several vocalists jammed with the band at this time, including B-Real of Cypress Hill, but since they did not want another rapper or anybody who would even remotely sound like de la Rocha, they soon dropped the idea.[3] Music producer and friend, Rick Rubin persuaded the three of them to go into group therapy with performance coach Phil Towle (who famously worked with Metallica during the making of their album St. Anger) in these hard times.[4] He was also the one, who later suggested that they jam with Chris Cornell, the ex-frontman of Soundgarden.[5] Rubin was confident that with the right new voice up front Rage Against the Machine had the potential to become something very special. He was quoted in a January, 2001 Rolling Stone article as saying "it could turn into a Yardbirds-into-Led Zeppelin scenario." He also referred to Tom Morello as "the Jimmy Page of today."[6] Bassist Tim Commerford later credited Rick Rubin for being the catalyst that brought Audioslave together, he called him "the angel at the crossroads because if it wasn't for him I wouldn't be here today."[4]

The chemistry between Cornell and the three musicians became immediately apparent, as Morello described: "He stepped to the microphone and sang the song and I couldn't believe it. It didn't just sound good. It didn't sound great. It sounded transcendent. And ... when there is an irreplaceable chemistry from the first moment, you can't deny it."[3] The quartet wrote 21 songs during the 19 days of rehearsal,[4] with "Light My Way" being the first song they ever wrote, on the very first day of jamming together.[7] The newly formed band, yet to be named, began working in the studio in late May, 2001 with producer, Rick Rubin, while still sorting out the label and management issues.[8]

[edit] Name

The original idea was allegedly to call the band "Civilian", but it was dropped when members found out that it was already taken.[9] Though Tim Commerford admitted this,[10] it was discredited by Morello in an interview saying it was only a rumour circulating at that time. He stated: "The band has only ever had one name and that is Audioslave."[11]

Tom Morello described the origin of the "Audioslave" name to LAUNCHcast as follows:

“ That was Chris's suggestion that sort of came to him in a vision. We're all on the two-way pagers, and Chris one night said, "I got it. It's Audioslave." We were all, like, "All right, fantastic."... To paraphrase Elvis Costello, talking about band names is like dancing about architecture--there's just no point in it because the band name becomes the music and the people.[12] ”

Morello added of the name, "I think it adds a kind of three-dimensional depth to the rest of the package."

The name also makes use of the compound word format used by Cornell's previous band, Soundgarden for their moniker.

After the name was announced, it emerged that it was already being used by an unsigned band from Liverpool. The two bands worked out a settlement, with the U.S. band paying $30,000 in a deal that allowed each band to use the name. Part of the agreement was that each band was to be true to its own identity when marketing and promoting recordings or concerts.[12]

The name was also heavily mocked due to its uninspired nature,[13] and was regarded by many as one of the worst band names in contemporary rock music,[14] or even of all time.[15] Pitchfork Media called it the "most asinine bandname of the year" in its review of the debut album,[16] while Chuck Klosterman from Spin went as far as calling it "one of the dumbest band names in recent rock history."[17]

References

  1. ^ "pegasusnews.com – New CD Releases", pegasusnews.com, 2006-09-03. Retrieved on 2007-08-20. 
  2. ^ Worldwide Albums Selling Data – TOTAL By Artists Name 06-07. Worldwide Albums Selling Data. Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
  3. ^ Harris, Chris. "MTV News – Chris Cornell Talks Audioslave Split, Nixes Soundgarden Reunion", MTV, 2007-02-15. Retrieved on 2007-08-20. 
  4. ^ Toazted – Video interview with Tom Morello. Toazted (2007). Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
  5. ^ Roberts, Michael (2003-07-16), Cleveland Scene – Slave New World, Cleveland Scene, <http://www.clevescene.com/2003-07-16/music/slave-new-world>. Retrieved on 20 August 2007 
  6. ^ Altman, Billy. "Yahoo! Music – Rage-Cornell Audioslave To Hit Stores November 19", Yahoo! Music, 2002-09-13. Retrieved on 2007-08-20. 
  7. ^ Knopper, Steve (2003-04-13), Chicago Tribune - Reviewer critiques pop music in terms of family values, Chicago Tribune, <http://www.knopps.com/CTPluggedIn.html>. Retrieved on 20 August 2007 
  8. ^ Patriquin, Martin (2005-10-06), Ottawa Xpress - Audioslave, Ottawa XPress, <http://www.ottawaxpress.ca/music/music.aspx?iIDArticle=7349>. Retrieved on 20 August 2007 
  9. ^ Gray, Christopher (2005-06-10). The Austin Chronicle – Out of Exile review. The Austin Chronicle. Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
  10. ^ Brecheisen, Dave (2005-06-10). PopMatters – Audioslave – Out of Exile review. PopMatters. Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
  11. ^ Erlewine, Stephen Tomas. All Music Guide – Out of Exile review. All Music Guide. Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
  12. ^ Kaye, Don. Blabbermouth.net – Out of Exile review. Blabbermouth.net. Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
  13. ^ Danesi, Andrew (2006-10-07). Perpetual Toxins – Revelations review. Perpetual Toxins. Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
  14. ^ a b Neven, Tom, Plugged In Online – Interview with Tim Commerford of Audioslave, Plugged In Online, <http://www.pluggedinonline.com/thisweekonly/a0002248.cfm>. Retrieved on 20 August 2007 
  15. ^ Parillo, Michael, Modern Drummer – Interview with Brad Wilk, Modern Drummer, <http://www.moderndrummer.com/updatefull/200001513>. Retrieved on 20 August 2007 
  16. ^ Deeds, Michael. MichaelDeeds.com – Supergroup Audioslave: Not exactly all the Rage. MichaelDeeds.com. Retrieved on 2007-08-20.
  17. ^ The Audioslave Fan Forum – Audioslave FAQ. The Audioslave Fan Forum. Retrieved on 2007-08-20.

Gocsa 11:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Audioslave

Hi! Sorry I didn't write, I was on vacation. I've made a separate page for the article now, and I've put all the parts that are ready there, please tell me if you have any suggestions, what more to add, grammar mistakes etc. You can find it here. It is about 1/3, I will upload Audioslave pictures too soon and I'm working on the other 2/3 of the article right now. When it is finished, and I have consulted with you and some other people, I'll actually replace the current article, have it FA reviewed, copyedited etc. Thanks a lot. Gocsa 19:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)