Talk:Ragtime
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This article should surely mention Max Morath, who about 1960 was a major factor in revived interest in ragtime. I believe he taught at the University of Utah? and did a series on ragtime for PBS or whatever the public TV group was at that time. Gomberg 17:32, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Etymology
I'm sure this has been discussed somewhere, but isn't it possible that the word "ragtime" has some connection with the phrase "on the rag" (menstruation?) Dpbsmith 19:15, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Somebody (Tarquin, if I remember correctly) raised that possibility on IRC some months back. I don't know myself, but the New Grove Dictionary of Jazz doesn't mention it as a possibility. It doesn't actually suggest there's any doubt about the origin of the name at all:
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- The term "ragged time" came to be used in the late 19th century to describe the idiomatic syncopation characteristic of a style of popular music, predominantly for the piano, that emanated from the South and Midwest. The word "ragtime" was a corruption of this...
- I don't know what other books have to say. --Camembert
Since we have a verifiable reference here for the etymology of the word, why include the other speculative references unless there is some historical basis for them? Just because something seems logical doesn't mean that it is factual. I am going to change the article to reflect this etymology alone. If anyone can verify another theory that's fine.Classicragger 03:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Ragtime is just perhaps the one great frist real american music which to this day does still continue to influence all really grest music with few excetions before or after there were a very few influences before ragtime! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eleventhdr (talk • contribs) 16:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Just as a point of correction, it is generally incorrect to refer to morphological development as "corruption." The first rule of language is that language changes, and there are usually specific pressures for these changes. --71.56.135.27 (talk) 22:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Form in Joplin
Hey Folks, - I just picked up a disc of Joplin tunes, and I've noticed some structural similarities between the tracks. I mean more than just "Sonata Form." Certain devices or types of variation seem to be used frequently. But I'm not a music guru; that's why I checked out this page. Would it be possible to get more detail? Thanks! --Cladist July 20 2004
[edit] James Reese Europe, Eubie Blake and Noble Sissle
No article on ragtime would be complete without mention of these three giants. I'm sorry I don't have the time to contribute to the article -- at least not right now. But someone should give these three their due.deeceevoice
[edit] What? No infobox?
| Ragtime | |
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| Cultural origins |
African-American communities
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| Mainstream popularity | Early 20th century |
| Derivative forms | jazz, foxtrot |
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| Composers - Musicians | |
Most musical genres have an infobox. Is it about time we had it here? -- Smjg 17:24, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I've just been trying to do it. Here's what I've got so far. But we probably should improve on it before putting it in the article. I'm not sure which of the styles of ragtime should be listed in which bits of the box. -- Smjg 15:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Grammy Award?
Article says that Joshua Rifkin won a Classical Grammy for Joplin Rags in the 1970s but the Grammy pages don't show it. Does anyone object if I remove the reference here? Paul 20:14, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I have just found a list of nominations for Grammy awards in 1971. While its a great record, sadly Rifkin didn't win this time... I'll add the reference and change the text. Major Bloodnok 10:13, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Contemporary Ragtime Composers Cited
I'm a nubie to the wonderful world of Wiki - but not to ragtime. I'm wondering why your short list of contemporary ragtime composers does not include Reginald R. Robinson? He's as prolific, perhaps more so than the names mentioned. He's as critically acclaimed as those cited (winner of the prestigious John D. & Catherine T. MacArthur Fellowship "Genius Grant" award) and he's a signed recording artist. What more would qualify you for this short list? March 2006 (watkino)
I Love Ragtime,
[edit] GA Re-Review and In-line citations
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[edit] Reasons for GA Delisting
This article's GA status has been revoked because it fails criterion 2. b. of 'What is a Good Article?', which states;
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- (b) the citation of its sources using inline citations is required (this criterion is disputed by editors on Physics and Mathematics pages who have proposed a subject-specific guideline on citation, as well as some other editors — see talk page).
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[edit] Joplin article
An anon with a rotating ip has been making a series of edits to the Scott Joplin article repeatedly putting in such questionable assertions as calling Joplin "the founder of ragtime" and describing his music as "jazz". I've reverted and tried explaining on the article talk page, but I fear I'm starting to lose patience. Assuming good faith from the anon editor, I don't wish to look like I'm getting in a revert war with them. So I'd appreciate it if some other editors interested in ragtime could eye the Scott Joplin article and perhaps comment on any of the points of dispute on the talk page. Thanks, -- Infrogmation 15:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What about the guitar?
This article is all based upon the piano, but you can play ragtime on the guitar as well, it's done by fingerpicking, I only dabble in this, but I was thinking- how many ragtime guitarists are there out there, I think we should make a little section on it in this article. --Mikeoman 23:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Sure, why not? I guess you'll start w/Stefan Grossman, right? Lessee: Duck Baker? Who else? +ILike2BeAnonymous 00:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Giovanni De Chiaro has transcribed all of Joplin's piano works to solo guitar. Although I'm a pianist and don't play guitar, his transcriptions are so good that I think some of the pieces actually sound better as guitar music than piano music. Both the sheet music and his recordings are available.--Classicragger 17:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Right- I know it's a big old subject there's tonnes of books on it, all of which I don't have right now, however I do dabble in ragtime although i am not expert in it- therefore I will add a brief section to this article- at one point in the future we can expand it but for the meantime, I will add what I know to the article- now are there any other notable ragtime guitarists we can add in, I've seen Grossman's books- they're good.--Mikeoman 22:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I noted the undo and reflecting on it I kinda agree, if we're gonna do it- do it right, we need a good strong section, not one with a that gradually snowballs- so you have my apologies. is it better therefore to have an article with more things such as the history of ragtime guitar and a quintessant time line full of notable guitarists- I only know a few, also do we need to have lots of information on the physical technique of ragtime guitar such as strumming patterns, fingerpicking, chord progressions and so forth?--Mikeoman 20:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] ragtime outside the United States?
So far I know that the Cuban pianist and composer Ignacio Cervantes had written a number of 41 cuban contradanzas, in which number 2 has a really close similarity to the ragtime style in rhythm (source: 101 montunos by Rebeca mauleon) . Although i have not come even close to any of these songs being performed nor the scores of it (except for the fragment which is shown on the book) i am unable to determine if ragtime had an influence on some of the musical styles outside the united States to be able to blend with afro-caribben music. Any verification or more information on this would be gladly apreciated. 70.121.124.110 16:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image in the way
The "Maple Leaf" image is overlapping a bit of the article text in my browser (Safari). Is there any way to fix this? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.157.231.55 (talk) 18:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
