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[edit] Wolverine Berserker Rage

Wolverine sometimes lapses into a "berserker rage" while in close combat. In this state he lashes out with the intensity and aggression of a mindless animal and is more resistant to psionic attack. Though this quality has sometimes saved the life of his allies, as well as himself, he has frequently expressed shame concerning it as he strives to be a purely civilized and honorable warrior.

Wolverine? Wolverine?? Are you f**king kidding me???

I guess you couldn't think of a suitable example containing Aquaman. Or did you already use your Optimus Prime analogy in another article?

Don't get me wrong, your Buffy the Vampire Slayer commnents vis-a-vis gender roles in the late 20th/early 21st century in the "Feminist" article was very fascinating, but this is too much.

Save your pop psychology claptrap for "WikiProject Nerds" and leave the serious stuff to the grown-ups. Jack Meihoffer 02:57, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Calm down people, please just think for one second. While it is true that this article has no citations or scientific back up, anyone who has ever experienced true rage (myself included) will relate to this material. The problem now is to provide the information needed to have the article be understood to everyone via a few alterations. For those of you who beleive this article should be completely rewritten, I understand your views, but try to alter the page such that everyone may relate to the page and be content with it, and not make a quarrell of it.Darkspinesonic3 17:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

That's all well and good Darkspine, but this article approaches rage as if it were trying to build a dungeons and dragons rule off of it. I can put it no better than the anonymous comment involving an "Optimus Prime analogy." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael.A.Anthony (talk • contribs) 05:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Absolutely NO citations or backings

I agree, this article is absolutely atrocious, it doesn't cite any sources whatsover and seems to take a more "fictional" approach to rage than scientific or factual. Whoever worked on this needs to -seriously- find some proof for what they are saying.

Hell, I'd agree with deleting the whole thing if this is how it's going to stand. The grammar caused me to feel righteous indignation bordering on rage. I can tell it wasn't rage though because my face was red. Seriously, this is a complete work of fiction. - MrGalt

- I must say, MrGalt, your comment gave me one of the best laughs I've I had in a while! I do agree, this article is very bad. Perhaps there is merit to some of what has been said, but with no sources...??? Aleta 08:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

OP of original topic (Absolutely no citations+statement) after coming back to this article several months later, I'm very saddened to see it has not been improved. So much so that, even with no citations, I am going to attempt to rewrite the article (until someone with actual citations comes) to a far more "neutral" standpoint than the un cited non factual basis present.

done* I was just going to edit the article in a need to provide an un-biased standpoint, but as I originally posted, it became clear that it was COMPLETELY out of salvation. It took too much of a sci-fi/fantasy/fictional approach to rage and not scientific or even in definition. I've turned it down to a stub until better research can be put in. 67.142.130.42 06:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

This page on Rage(emotion) is not very well done. Do people experience regret at actions spurred on by rage? Is rage often caused by someone close to you? Who can verify that. This Rage stub makes me angry!

The slow motion thing made me go "WTF??! MATRIX?!?". I'm not sure if it's true or not, but I just had an experience of rage this evening, and it so didn't go slo-mo for me. I think we need sources for this article. I like it though, for some reason Seriphyn 20:16, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

At times it seems like the author is talking about an ability in perhaps a videogame more than an emotion or state of mind.

well the slo-mo part is accurate IMHO becouse it happened to me, its NOT the "slo-mo" from matrix or any movie it just you react a lot faster to any action, thus making you believe its some kind of "slo-mo" effect, this article isn't very scientific but it has some truth about tunnel vision, strenght and innability to remmember anything from that momment. this is only me and my opinion.

I agree, I had an episode of rage a month back. I experienced a slowing down of sorts for the first few seconds then I can't remember anything until it was over. Though I do have flashbacks which are not mentioned, and in my flashbacks I was shouting "die" alot. You would think with all the people who have suffered from rage they would have been able to include some quotations or maybe some studies on the subject. At least it's slightly accurate, hey.

The slow motion thing is accurate. Almost everyone who has experienced rage report this, I can't provide sources from the internet, but I have experienced it myself. Another thing is that I felt everything was so small and fragile while in this rage, and it made me extremely angry. I didn't do anything, I was afraid it'd worsen if I moved.

The slow motion thing is NOT accurate. you only THINK you are experiencing slow mo because you're thinking BACK at that moment. ie. it only slows down because you're re-living the events in your mind, and since you can remember ever vivid detail of that moment (because of your distress) it seems like if that moment stretches out. Further, your explanation of brain processing information at an accelerated rate is a complete bullshit explanation for what you believe as "slow-mo". epinephrine cannot make the charge potential of the nerves move any faster then they already are.

secondly, your physical strength does NOT increase. Epinephrine doesn't provide you with more myosin. Although epinephrine increases glycolysis to provide ATP, it doesn't really matter for the first minute or so of physical exertion as the muscle has it's own supply of ATP and then after that runs out it still runs on phosphocreatine. So more increased glycolysis up to the point until all phosphocreatine is used up doesn't really matter... and even with increased glycolysis.. so what? more ATP doesn't mean more strength, only means your muscles can work longer at maximum contraction. It doesn't mean you gain more muscle fibers.

This article is STILL VERY VERY poor, with absolutely no citation. I vote to delete this page.

This is the first time I've posted anything on wikipedia but I thought it would be very important that I write something about this page because I have actually experienced Rage and I have witnesses from a hospital and some friends that can verify this. Some of my other friend's have experienced the exact same thing and have proof of it also. I am bipolar and I have been diagnosed as mixed bipolar also. When I go into a 'rage' I cannot feel pain and I do not have memory of the state of mind I am either. Some of the things stated in this document do not coincide with what I have been through in a state of rage, but most of it is very accurate and surprised me when I read it. I showed my friend's that are bipolar and have been through a 'rage' and they have also backed me up saying that this document sounded almost exactly the same as what they have experienced. I do however recognize friend from foe when I am in this rage and do somewhat realize what's going on at the time. In the hospital they forced me to take a pill apparently to calm down when I was in a state of rage. They said that I was extremely angry and almost broke the bed, they said they gave me a pill to swallow but I chewed it up apparently. Everyone was afraid of me because I almost broke the hospital bed and was threatening the staff there. I had a huge slice on one of my arms, but they said the pain did not seem to affect me in any way. As far as how to go into a rage, I usually go into one because of angry thoughts 24/7 that I cannot get rid of because I also have ADD and cannot control my thoughts. Alcohol also leads me into a rage state, for obvious reasons. I don't know if I agree with this page, but I do know that there is something like this state of mind that exists because I for one have experienced it and I know quite a few other bipolar people that have experienced it. To me most of this is true, but maybe there is a way to rewrite this? It's hard for people that have experienced this weird feeling to accept it as actual fact. I would like to know what this state of mind is if it isn't 'rage'.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.14.10 (talk) 05:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What does "regret", or any feeling afterward, have to do with rage?

I am not a psychologist, but it seems not right that someone is referring to "regret". Would'nt this be just ANOTHER feeling, like guilt.

SOME people do NOT feel regret or guilt after they feel rage, or act out rage.

[edit] Kill Kill

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest people in rage thinking "Kill, Kill" over and over in their heads isn't that scientific....O____oKokiri kid 04:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Agreed. Destroy the article

I have to cast my vote in with the folks that want to re-write this.

Agree, trash it.Paul Slocum 21:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this is not a joke. I am closely involved with someone that has rage. It's not something that is researched seriously due to the common misconseption that it is just an extreme anger. When people try to seek professional help through councillors or doctors, these so called "professionals" will immediately place their diagnosis in categories of extreme anger and perscribe medications and therapies that do not help the individual. This article should not be destroyed, due to the lack of information out there for rage. It's the only thing I've found on the net that brings this problem to light. There are many people out there that don't know how to deal with their rage and they need our help. Please keep this article alive. These people need to know that they are not alone and that the people in the Wiki community will help them. Thank you.

142.94.4.111 17:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)weaponx211@hotmail.com142.94.4.111 17:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Wikipedian psychologists

Maybe Category:Wikipedian psychologists can help. -- Wavelength 16:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

... with the article. -- Wavelength 17:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I get fits of rage, similar to those described. I can't tell you what I think; my memory is gone afterwards. I don't think that I think anything during a fit though, it's out of body. I think that the writer is using imagination, and memory from their own issues, but I don't know how commonplace these feelings are. This definately needs further study, but I don't think that it is entirely without merit (in my own personal expirience).

[edit] What happened to the previous article on rage?

There was a previous article on rage, what happened to that one?

[edit] Fantastically bad article

I'm speechless. This has to go down in the history books as the worst, funniest, and most ridiculous article ever. Please tell me there's some way for us to archive this bad boy (after making a real article out of it, of course). This is just too priceless to go all willy-nilly and delete the whole thing without saving it for future genreations. --Drewcifer3000 03:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need of citations noted

Although it was said here, there was no notation of needed citations on the actual article page. I have added some; no doubt more could be added, but that should get the job done. Aleta 08:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm so mad (enraged) I just ate my keyboard!

After reading this article I became so enraged I ate my damn keyboard. This article of pure original research should be deleted. Nothing here to salvage whatsoever. And someone please hurry and delete it quick before I turn purple and eat my monitor! Mr Christopher 15:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed redirect

Rage should be redirected to Anger. It's pretty obvious that nobody likes this article. It is still real funny though, since it is unbelievably, so it might be able to be archived or something like that. --Kevin 22:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

Support. I obviously support it. --Kevin 22:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Since action has been taken to improve the article rather than trash it or redirect it, I'm gonna void the whole proposal. --Kevin ^(TALK) 01:58, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Psychopathology/Review

I've listed this page on Wikipedia:WikiProject Psychopathology/Review and requested people take a look at the article and comment on the proposed redirect. Aleta 08:45, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

And now I've added it to Wikiproject Psychology. Aleta 01:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Large deletion

There has recently been a large deletion in the text of this article by user:Johannes H.-Larsen. This large deletion was not discussed, so I'm gonna revert that. Hopefully, that user will see this and come back so we can all talk it over and finally get something done on this article. --Kevin ^(TALK) 16:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Query?

Hear me out on this first.

First off: No I do not yet have my degree.

I am in the process of obtaining a double degree in Cellular, Molecular, Developmental Biology & Neuroscience. with a minor in theory of cognition and bio-psychology and electives pulled from computation, informatics, systems analysis, circuit design, boolean logic, & data conversion.

So- while I do not have a little piece of paper with a gold sticker on it. I would like to say that I have been studying this field very intently due to my particular focus on how multiple many very disparate causes can all lead to the same "mental Disorder" phenotype or "memetype" if you believe in memes. (Personally I think its a nice cognitive abstraction tool to visualize the interaction of different subroutines of learned encoded behavior as how the completing neural circuits cause constructive or destructive interference affecting the neural plasticity of the synaptic junction ... but I digress) While this article has no direct sources IF there was interest enough I would be willing to compile all my notes on mood altering effects of the many different systems levels of the biological system: (nutrition, stress hormone levels, neurotransmitter depletion, effects of ordered and disordered neural firing over time, ...) and cite my sources for that. Think of it as a toolbox of ready links and many disparate facts with some information drawn from Neurobio, computation, systems analysis, biopsych, etc to possibly make a good article.

So- 1. Would people like me to expend this effort?

2. Where should I post it?

OrganicArtist 17:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

At present this article is in need of some shaping up. I think it would be highly likely that people would appreciate the effort invested. As to location, where better to post it than here?

[edit] Rewrite or Trash?

Well, obviously the need has arisen for a new "Rage" article, because this one is, and excuse my language, crap. It is purely original research, no factual accuracy whatsoever. The new question becomes should we rewrite the article with the aid of people knowledgeable on the topic of rage, or should it just be trashed entirely? If it is trashed entirely, eventually I'm sure someone out there will make a new "Rage" article, and if that person is (and this is the likely case) not knowledgeable on the topic, we will run into this very same problem again--an article with no facts, no basis, just original research.

So now, I pose this question to all of you: Do we delete the article, in the hopes that someone out there will rewrite it, or do we take it upon ourselves to rewrite this article (and find people knowledgeable on the topic)?

Personally, I feel there should be an article on rage. Of course, it shouldn't be as horrid as this one, but there should be one. So I am leaning toward finding someone who knows something about rage to actually post some facts so that we can rewrite this article, but if you feel that deleting it entirely is the solution to this problem, please voice your opinion. 24.15.53.225 21:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Deleting this article outright might be a satisfactory solution. For purposes on encylopedic knowledge, rage is indistinguishable from anger, and the two are not easily scientifically discussed. A better approach might be to look for instances of rage in fiction, rather than explain how adrenaline makes humans superpowered and immune to bullets, or whatever it is this one is trying to say. Michael.A.Anthony (talk) 05:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I think if you take a peek at the article on Anger, it is pretty clear that there is really no need whatsoever for this one, and that the article on anger (besides displaying a much greater degree of professionalism) effectively makes this one obsolete. Michael.A.Anthony (talk) 05:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The small minded, and a feeble attempt to destroy what science cannot explain

Obviously most of you individuals need to seriously research this topic yourselves as you obviously have no experience in this matter. I can on a base level relate to 95% of what is disscussed in this article, and to the comments of the author "Not supporting with research" this simply put is a repugnant thing to say. The sheer fact is this.. I am quite cognant of the fact I enter a state of near "super self" please forgive the term as there are none that i can use to explain this. The current study of how the brain and body interact is still rudimentry at best and to that end no one can even come close to explaining how this state is achieved. I myself have been incited to this state through severe pitches of sound or even the most simple acts. I can feel this coming on as i can feel my very muscular fibers tightening as my vision also centers in on what i am looking at. It is common knowledge that there is a sect of Buddhist monks who can at will release the minds control of the muscles and raise their own physical strength and mental perception to the point of near "super human" levels. I am tired of people who have degrees thinking that any opinion they make is pure fact, well fact is talking to you now and writing this article as i am one of possibly hundreds of individuals who experience this. Also for the "Big brains" research the term Beserkir no not with an "E" and you will find that these states of mind and body are nearly identical. Please think hard before you speak as there might actually be pure evidence.

[edit] Re-Write

While it's true that it is very difficult to find sources for what is said in the article, it is also true that most people who suffer rage attacks (not me personally, but I have a few friends who do) seem for the most part to agree with what this article states. While it's no substitute for finding good citations, I can try to re-write this article at least in a professional style. It can read like an encyclopaedia entry, even if it doesn't have the citations of one. What are your thoughts on this?—Preceding unsigned comment added by CB319 (talk • contribs)

[edit] "disorder"?

is rage really a disorder? i mean its only natural to get angry, maybe getting angry too much is a disorder, but i think rage itself is just an extension of anger and isn't really a disorder —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.63.227.155 (talk) 16:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "yes, maybe"

I think it is a disorder. I have experienced it and it coincides with some of the stuff that was written about in the 'rage' article here. I found a website that has some backing information and research. I think it is bipolar people, like myself, and maybe some other types of people with a mental illness that experience this rage. I'm not sure if people without a mental illness can experience it because I'm not a person without a mental illness and I don't know any that have experienced this. Here is the website link so you can read the article I read. I just hope I'm allowed to do this, I'm kind in a hurry to write this here so I didn't have time to check the rules. -tweeber69@hotmail.com

http://www.bipolarworld.net/Self-Injury/understandSI.htm

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