Talk:Rafting

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It would be great to add some photos and a bit more meat to this. Mark Richards 01:40, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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I'm thinking this classification system should really be in the whitewater article, since Kayaking & canoeing uses exactly the same system right? But then there'd be nothing left of the rafting article! Nojer2 12:12, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 I had created the spanish article. 2 NPOV in safety section 3 Adding external links 3.1 idahowhitewater.com 3.2 whitewatercampsites.com 4 Rafting Userbox 5 The Popular rafting locations section 5.1 Archived section 5.1.1 Popular rafting locations 5.1.1.1 Africa 5.1.1.2 Asia and Oceania 5.1.1.3 Carribean 5.1.1.4 Europe 5.1.1.5 Middle East 5.1.1.6 North America 5.1.1.6.1 Eastern 5.1.1.6.2 Western 5.1.1.7 Central America 5.1.1.8 South America

[edit] I had created the spanish article.

You can take ideas from it to enlarge this article and if you can to add rafting rivers in USA and other countries I going to thanks you so much. Regards, river team! --Gengiskanhg 23:02, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

hey whats up. stop by from the white water page. one suggestion you might want to break the article into a section for those interested in trying whitewater rafting. or you might not. I was just thinking that there is certin redundencies.--Stranger 09:44, 2005 Jun 12 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV in safety section

The safety section seems to imply that rafting without a paid guide is inherently more dangerous than a commercial trip:

"In the past there have been many accidents, but predominantly in private travel."

While a discussion of commercial outfitter certifications and licenses is certainly appropriate, I think this section should focus on "the usual safety precautions" that are alluded to but not explained as it currently stands (i.e. knowledge of current conditions, river route, ability to read rapids and pick lines, avoidance of large recirculating holes and undercuts, strainers, rescue equipment, personal safety gear including throw ropes, wetsuits, helmets, PFDs, etc). Also, the reference to the Colorado River "swallowing whole expeditions in the past" is a pretty exceptional claim to make without specific wiki links to historical examples. -- BlueCanoe 21:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adding external links

This article has a tendency to attract external links. For the general Wikipedia policy on external links, see WP:LINKS, and in particular this section. See also conflict of interest and what Wikipedia is not. This talk page is the appropriate place to ask other wiki users what their opinion is of any potential changes in this article. -- BlueCanoe 01:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] idahowhitewater.com

Hi I am working an information web page about the rafting on the Main Salmon River and the surrounding area. The site is idahowhitewater.com. I am wondering if this could be added as a link to this page?

Thanks SalmonWeb 19:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I think that idahowhitewater.com is too commercial to be linked from Wikipedia, as it is essentially a directory of businesses with services for sale (Wikipedia guidelines here and here). I suggest removal. -- BlueCanoe 01:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] whitewatercampsites.com

Hi rafting editors, I have a site whitewatercampsites.com that, while it does have some advertising to offset costs, is a valuable resource of the rafting community. The link was on the Rafting topic until Katr67 deleted it last night. She suggested that I appeal here. See her talk page for our discussion. In trying to figure out why my link got deleted, I blundered into signing up as an editor. I just want to get the link restored because it was serving people. Thanks for taking a look at my case, Will

whitewatercampsites.com is, in my opinion, close to the line between too-commercial and acceptable. Looking through the website it appears that nothing is for sale, and the only advertisements are the sponsors on the home page and the text Google Ads throughout. On a commercial basis, I'm willing to accept this link. However, we must also ask: is this website directly related to the article's subject? And again, I think it is debatable, but ultimately the fact that the website is focused on rivers in the U.S. Southwest, Rocky Mountains, and Pacific Northwest (a very small subset of the popular rafting locations in the article), and focuses on river campsites rather than the act of rafting itself (which is the subject of this article) makes me think that this link would be appropriate in a different article more closely aligned with the focus of the website. Overall I would suggest removal. -- BlueCanoe 01:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rafting Userbox

Here's a rafting user box that you can use. Just copy this piece of code on your user page:

   {{User Rafting}}

This will produce this:

Bu b0y2007 09:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Popular rafting locations section

I'd suggest that the Popular rafting locations section is a problem for a couple of reasons. Firstly, "popular" is, by definition, a blatantly POV term. How does one objectively measure popularity in such a way as to decide if a location is "popular" enough to be included? Secondly, sections such as this generally become magnets for people to put in their own personal favourite spot and for jokesters to sneak in silly puns, etc, in the hope of not being discovered. I note that that section now takes up almost half the article space. It's hard to say how this should be treated in the long run. I can tell you that we had a similar problem at the Fly fishing article and it was resolved quite nicely by removing the section and by creating a category for destinations that could collect the various location articles under a common heading. Perhaps something similar might work here? — Dave (Talk | contribs) 15:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

• Pull it. Wikipedia is not a travel guide. --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 15:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  • OK, I'll include it here, though, as an archive in case anyone has a use for its constituents. — Dave (Talk | contribs) 15:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Archived section