Talk:Rade Šerbedžija

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Hrvatski mediji redovito vas potpisuju kao hrvatskoga glumca, a srpski mediji kao srpskoga glumca. Što biste vi rekli za sebe: jeste li hrvatski ili srpski glumac?

- Formalno sam slovenski glumac jer tamo mi teče staž i tamo uplaćujem novac u mirovinski fond. Realno, glumio sam na svim prostorima bivše države te sam, na neki način, bio svačiji glumac. Bilo je i godina kada sam postao ničiji glumac, ali danas sam opet svoj na svome, onako kako su me nekada doživljavali moji gledatelji. Najviše sam zapravo bio zagrebački glumac, a i sam osjećam da je u svim mojim množinama taj lik u meni najsnažniji jer glumačka snaga je njegov jezik, a moj jezik je bio i ostao hrvatski. [1]


Goran Obradović added that his name is spelled Раде Шербеџија in Cyrillic, but this is fairly inconsequent because it's rarely used, only when he's mentioned in Serbian texts (as in texts from Serbia) which are tangential to him. Even adaptations like Sherbedgia are more known than the Cyrillic spelling. --Joy [shallot] 23:18, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

How the Hell he can be "Croatian" actor?Even in Crotaian language wikipedia they call him SERB...please,change this!!!Otherwise wikipedia will asure me in that it's not sure encyclopedia...This is not the USA so everyone who come become American...This is Europe and people have own nationality!I can move to Holland get a kid there and my kid will be Serb and Serbian...actor,politic,whatever.And Lika is Serbian land...there is born Nikola Tesla as well,so please...
Haven't you ever heard of Bosnian Croats? Croatian Muslims, or maybe Serbian Croats! The article clearly states that he is of Serbian descent (which indicates that his parents are Serbs). This leaves Croatia as the present-day homeland. It has to be mentioned in some form; there is no harm in it and it would be inappropriate to remove it. As for Lika being Serbian land, unfortunately Aleksandarserbia, it is in Croatia! It serves as nothing more than Serbian unredeemed territory; likewise, Croatia has unredeemed areas within present-day Serbia. In the end of the day, land is land, the local Serb or Croat from Lika both have their reasons why Lika should belong to their respective nation, and on an encyclopaedia, we cannot deem that one is right and the other is wrong. Land is land and people are human, and all nations have their own needs! I'm sure that for the time being, Croatian-Serb fits the bill with regards Rade. Evlekis 16:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC) Евлекис


I disagree. How is this inconsequential? He is an ethnic Serb who happened to be born in an area which is now in the independent Croatia, but which at the time of his birth was a part of Yugoslavia. The fact that he is not known by this name does not justify not including his cyrilic name in the brackets after his bolded name at the beggining of the text. The man is a Serb, and Serbian language is spelled primarely in cyrilic. Furthermore, he is very much a part of public life in Serbia. A glance at the Serbian newspaper proves this. Finally, you shouldn't forget that he has concerts in Serbia on a yearly basis. If I do not hear an argument that makes more sense than the above, I'll be adding the cyrilic name.

--Bora Nesic 03:22, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I have now placed the cyrilic back into the text, seeing that there were no objections. --Bora Nesic 03:40, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Rade Serbedzija is croatian actor not serbian actor. He might be etnic Serb but he was born in Croatia, speaks Croatian language, made his career in Zagreb (capital of Croatia), acted mostly in Croatian movies and considers him self as Zagreb actor.

He is Serb born in Yugoslavia I don't see how he can be Croatian actor! Vladar86 —Preceding comment was added at 07:04, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

He is a Croatian actor because: 1. He was born in Croatia (yes while it was still part of Yugoslavia); 2. Acted in mostly Croatian movies where he also made his breakthrought in his career; 3. Consideres Croatia his homeland and Croatian language his native language. All these are more than enough to say he is a Croatian actor, he has nothing to do with Serbia. He is Croatian actor and an ethnic Serb. Can you understand that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raguseo (talk • contribs) 15:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
1.He was born in state name YUGOSLAVIA 2. He made his career in Yugoslavian movies, and international career in USA. He also played in few Croatian, Serbian and Macedonian movies. 3. His native language is not important, English is not native language of Arnold Schwarzenegger but still he is American actor. All this is implying that he is Serbian-American actor. Vladar86 —Preceding comment was added at 01:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
1.Yes in the federal republic of CROATIA. 2. He made his career acting in Croatian movies, mostly about Croatian history and in Croatian classics. 3. His native language is very important, Rade considers his native language Croatian and his homeland is Croatia. He does not own an American passport and so he is not an American citizen (not an American). Due to all these facts he can be only Croatian actor. That he is of Serbian ethnicity is already mentioned in the article. --Raguseo 09:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I will continue to change his classification to Serbian actor, relating to Serbs as a people not the Republic of Serbia, as the man is ethnically Serbian and there is no way around that. The fact that he was born in Yugoslavia, now Croatia, should indeed be mentioned, but classifying Rade as Croatian is completely inaccurate and is an attempt to falsify history, as was the famous case of Nikola Tesla. Shameful! --24.150.77.3 16:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

You do that, I will be here to revert it. Serbedzija was born in Croatia, speaks Croatian and is today a Croatian citizen. He is Croatian in every sense. The fact he is ethnic Serb is mentioned in the article. --89.172.197.160 18:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Fully protected - the article has now been fully protected against editing. Please discuss your differences here and try to provide evidence for your claims rather than promising further disruption from all sides. At the very least, agree on maybe some neutral wording as to his disputed ethnicity? Either way, if you wish to have the article unprotected, just add a request to my talk page or to WP:RPP - Alison ❤ 15:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The evidence is already provided, but the user Vladar86 keeps reverting it to his little own megalomaniac version. Serbedzija was born in Croatia, is Croatian citizen and says he speaks Croatian language. He is an ethnic Serb, no one disputes that but he can never be "Serbian actor", he can only be a Croatian actor. --89.172.225.18 19:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

My two cents: if Šerbedžija is Serbian by nationality and Croatian by citizenship, why can't he be included in both Serbian and Croatian categories? It's not like there's a limited number of categories an article can be in. As for the lead-in paragraph, I'd suggest "Rade Šerbedžija... born 27 July 1946 (ref), is an actor and director from Croatia. He comes from an ethnic Serbian family, and was one of the most popular Yugoslav actors in the 1970s and 1980s." Does that bother anyone? --Hyperbole 00:08, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

It sounds reasonably sensible to this neutral observer anyway - Alison ❤ 00:16, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree as well. Sounds reasonable. The way it is now sounds like a complete parody: "Serbian actor from an ethnic Serb family from Croatia"? WTF? The man was born in Croatia, lives still in Croatia (his children live there also), says he speaks Croatian, is active in Croatian theatre scene, etc. When we talk about cattegories I have nothing against a category saying he is a Serb from Croatia (no one ever denied that). ON the other hand he can never be a Serbian actor because: 1. he doesn't have Serbian citizenship; 2. was not born in Serbia; 3. doesn't even declare he speaks Serbian but Croatian. Eric Bana for example is a Australian actor of Croatian origin, he can never be and will never be a Croatian actor. --89.172.234.226 10:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

This is just like with Ivo Andric and Nikola Tesla. You people need to develop your own culture and nation without stealing from Serbs! He is Serbian (Serb person, not necessarily citizen of Serbia) from the State of Croatia. Unless you can get Rade himself to publicy say he is Croatian, your arguments are not valid. Serbian refers to ethnicity, citizenship is another thing. If you wish to mention he is a citizen of Croatia, that is fine. I firmly believe the article needs to stay the way it is NOW! --139.57.44.102 17:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

No one is stealing anything from Serbs. Nikola Tesla was a Serb who considered Croatia his homeland (stated in his telegraph to Vlatko Maček) and Ivo Andirć was born to Croatian parents and was declaring himself during his studies in Polan as a Croat. To the matter....Serbedzija publicly said he is speaking Croatian, taking into consideration that he is also Croatian citizen it is clear he is Croatian as in from Croatia. That he is an ethnic Serbs no one denied and is already mentioned in the article. Serbedzija is and can only be Croatian actor. --89.172.200.45 22:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm having trouble seeing your objection to my proposed version, which says that he is from Croatia and born into a Serbian family - but avoids explicitly asserting his nationality in a single adjective. --Hyperbole 05:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Ivo Andric is bosnian, he is born in Bosnia and spent the rest of his life in Serbia.....his books have always been about Bosnia. I dont se what he has to do with Croatia?! His religion? Maybe every catholic is croat.......although i doubt he ever said he was a catholic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.214.204.23 (talk) 19:30, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh My GOD! Now "bosnian" is an ethnicity???? No it is NOT, Ivo Andric declared himself a Serbian Catholic author. Look it up! He was most certainly NOT a bosniak, and i was talking about his ethnicity and NOT about him being born in Bosnia. I am from Trebinje, that doesn't make me a Herzegovinian, i am a SERB! Thanks! --24.150.77.3 (talk) 19:09, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

To Bora: Does it matter what the name of the country was when he was born? In that case, if his parents are from Serbia, his grandparents were most likely born in the Ottoman Empire, so according to this logic he must be an Ottoman? --84.217.47.194 (talk) 00:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Year of birth correction

Changed his birth year from 1946 to 1947, his site (Ulysses Theatre) states this year as being his year of birth. 80.7.171.133 22:32, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Missing film

Rade also starred in the New Zealand film Broken English (1996 film) - Typera - 12:48 24-Feb-08

[edit] "Serbian and Croatian" section

I removed the following text ("Funny thing about this actor that both of ex-Yugoslavian countries, Serbia and Croatia claims that Šerbedžija is they actor.") because, quite frankly, it is bad and unencyclopedic writing. I moved the referenced part of that section ("he puts his funds in Slovenia but his language is more similar to Croatian") into "Personal life". All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 08:38, 24 February 2008 (UTC)