Talk:Rachel (Animorphs)
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Deleted a disgusting vandalism of this page Ellimist91 (talk) 03:41, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't think we can prove Rachel's last name was Berenson. Can anyone do so-otherwise, I'll edit that back out.--Lkjhgfdsa 12:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sure can. It's stated in #21: The Threat that Rachel and Jake are related through Rachel's father Dan, and then mentioned in #31: The Conspiracy that they're related through Jake's father Steve, thus making Dan and Steve brothers and Rachel's last name Berenson. --Matt 20:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Not specifically, we can't. Although Rachel and Jake are related to their fathers, remember that Rachel's parents are divorced and Rachel, Jordan and Sara live with their mother, so it's possible, although slightly, that Rachel has taken her mother's maiden name, if their mother changed her name after the divorce. --Dreamweaver 13.19, 31 July 2006
It's been stated time and time again how close Rachel is to her father, it's not likely at all that she would have reverted to her mother's maiden name. --Matt 09:48, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
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- There is still no concrete proof of that, and considering as it was never mentioned in 54, I think it would be better to return to a more neutral phrasing.--Lkjhgfdsa 15:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- Why would it have been mentioned in 54? Rachel was dead, and we didn't hear the orations at her funeral. Noneofyourbusiness 22:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- It would have been the only opportunity to do so (her narration at the beginning). It's not explicit.--Lkjhgfdsa 15:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- She doesn't know that Jake's come clean about their surname, does she? Cassie and Marco don't tell either. Jake's the only one who decided to. That doesn't mean her surname isn't explicit. Their fathers are brothers. You might as well say that Tom's surname isn't explicit, since it was never mentioned. Noneofyourbusiness 17:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Tom and Jake still live with their father. Refer to Dreamweaver's post above.--Lkjhgfdsa 18:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Not living with her father has nothing to do with it. She is not estranged from him, and changing your surname is a long and involved process. Her surname is pretty explicit. Noneofyourbusiness 23:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Tom and Jake still live with their father. Refer to Dreamweaver's post above.--Lkjhgfdsa 18:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- She doesn't know that Jake's come clean about their surname, does she? Cassie and Marco don't tell either. Jake's the only one who decided to. That doesn't mean her surname isn't explicit. Their fathers are brothers. You might as well say that Tom's surname isn't explicit, since it was never mentioned. Noneofyourbusiness 17:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- It would have been the only opportunity to do so (her narration at the beginning). It's not explicit.--Lkjhgfdsa 15:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Why would it have been mentioned in 54? Rachel was dead, and we didn't hear the orations at her funeral. Noneofyourbusiness 22:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- There is still no concrete proof of that, and considering as it was never mentioned in 54, I think it would be better to return to a more neutral phrasing.--Lkjhgfdsa 15:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
in any case, it is not mentioned in the series, and trying to otherwise to prove so in this article would be original research, which is not allowed. Hbdragon88 05:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, and you also forget the possibility that Rachel has a hypenated surname - (Naomi's maiden name)-Berenson - or that Dan and Naomi decided to make a new last name by reforming the letters. Simply assuming that they went for a straight tradition is absurd and is, actually, original research. Hbdragon88 06:32, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- No. It's not. All those suggestions are grossly speculative. Noneofyourbusiness 15:59, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- As is your claim that Rachel must share the same last name, when there are several possibilities that she might have not. Hbdragon88 18:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hardly. It's only minorly speculative. But I admit that it's not 100% explicit, so I've changed the phrasing to one I think we can all be reasonable and accept. Noneofyourbusiness 18:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- That is definitely reasonable. Thanks.--Lkjhgfdsa 20:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hardly. It's only minorly speculative. But I admit that it's not 100% explicit, so I've changed the phrasing to one I think we can all be reasonable and accept. Noneofyourbusiness 18:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- As is your claim that Rachel must share the same last name, when there are several possibilities that she might have not. Hbdragon88 18:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- No. It's not. All those suggestions are grossly speculative. Noneofyourbusiness 15:59, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Formal morphing list
Why is there not one for Rachel? Paul Haymon 09:29, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Religion
Where does it say that she's a jew?
- She says her father is Jewish in "Animorphs Megamorphs #03: Elfangor's Secret", page 171. There may be a couple of other mentions. Mad Jack 04:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Which therefore makes this subsection of the talk page ill-named of course. Obviously she's a biological Jew (in part), not necessarily a religious one. Unless her mother converted, it would be rather difficult since it's matrilineal if I recall. Did they ever have her family do any Jewish cultural things (horrible way of putting it, I know, but "being Jewish" is often more cultural than religious for some)? Also: if only her father was Jewish, it also begs the question of why he's - potentially - named Berenson? That doesn't sound like a Jewish name to me, but I admit I'm not familiar enough with Jewish surnames to know for sure (and wouldn't that make Jake part-Jewish too?). In any case assuming her father's surname was indeed Berenson, and assuming it's not a Jewish name, that would mean he probably inherited his Jewishness from his mom (along the traditional matrilineal lines), all of which doesn't necessarily mean Rachel's a "Jew" per se despite bloodlines, unless she actually identifies as such. Does she? I kind of gave up on the series a while ago. Runa27 23:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- Berenson is actually a Jewish last name. Yes, Jake is Jewish too, at least as much as Rachel, anyway. He talks about that in the same book "Animorphs Megamorphs #03: Elfangor's Secret", comparing his Jewish heritage to Cassie's being black, or some such thing. Mad Jack 01:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
- Which therefore makes this subsection of the talk page ill-named of course. Obviously she's a biological Jew (in part), not necessarily a religious one. Unless her mother converted, it would be rather difficult since it's matrilineal if I recall. Did they ever have her family do any Jewish cultural things (horrible way of putting it, I know, but "being Jewish" is often more cultural than religious for some)? Also: if only her father was Jewish, it also begs the question of why he's - potentially - named Berenson? That doesn't sound like a Jewish name to me, but I admit I'm not familiar enough with Jewish surnames to know for sure (and wouldn't that make Jake part-Jewish too?). In any case assuming her father's surname was indeed Berenson, and assuming it's not a Jewish name, that would mean he probably inherited his Jewishness from his mom (along the traditional matrilineal lines), all of which doesn't necessarily mean Rachel's a "Jew" per se despite bloodlines, unless she actually identifies as such. Does she? I kind of gave up on the series a while ago. Runa27 23:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
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