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[edit] Intelligent Aliens?

I recently added some aliens that were not previously mentioned in this article, like the dragonflies that infested humans. But that was all removed. It seems like this article is about intelligent aliens, not simply aliens. That leaves two choices, either the name of the article must change to Intelligent aliens in Stargate, or ALL aliens must be included in the article. I suggest the latter since it is always difficult to draw a line for intelligence. For example, what are the creatures that Michael (the wraith) created, intelligent or not? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.82.217.47 (talk)

[edit] The Aschen

The Aschen are a race who in an alternative time, were Earth allies, and they helped SG-1 to save Earth from the Goa'uld. However they also made a vaccine that doubled their lives but also prevented them from having children. Eventually the alternate SG-1 found a way to warn themselves about the Aschen danger by sending a note through the gate at the exact moment of a solar flare like the accident in the episode "1969". In the episode "2010" SG-1 managed to stop Earth becoming allied to them after they found evidence of their plan to sterilize humanity.

I removed the Aschen text, since they are a human civilization, not alien (Referring to their species). JBK405 03:37, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asurans

"The second "evil" race of aliens in the Pegasus Galaxy. They are artificial lifeforms that evolved from a Lantian experiment to create powerful and aggressive nanites to attack the Wraith on a cellular level.[1] But the microscopic creatures came together to form increasingly larger and more complex organisms, eventually imitating their creators to become human in appearance. When the Lantians realized their experiment had gotten out of hand, they attacked this new race with their fleet of warships and nearly wiped them out."

Uh...what? Nowhere, anywhere in the episode, was any of this information delivered, and Hot Zone is the only reference cited. Unless somebody can give some support for this statement, I think it's pure speculation. JBK405 00:06, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I guess I need to put this back in. All this was just revealed in todays episode of Atlantis (Aired on 8/11/06) JBK405 02:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Gadmeer

I just watched the Season 4 episode 'Scorched Earth' and I don't recall that it mentioned the Gadmeer constructing the terraformer. --LordKrump 00:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] reorder

I dont think this list should be alphabetical. It should be prioritised. --Alfakim-- talk 15:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Third Appearance of the Serrakin

So we don't revert back and forth, and so we have a third opinion (So it doesn't boil down to "He said, she said"), that's what Talk pages are for.

I believe that this species (Seen here http://gateworld.net/sg1/s10/images/1015_06.jpg.shtml), seen in Bounty, is not Serrakin. Another user believes that it is, and is marking the episode as the species third appearance in the Stargate universe. We've each reverted at least twice to our own opinion. Does anybody have some source, perhaps production info or something like that, saying what species that alien is? Revert-wars are just childish, and I'd settle even just for somebody else's opinion, as long as there's some form of consensus. JBK405 22:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

All I can say is that I believe it is a Serrakin. They are not the same character obviously, but if you look at the circular shapes on the sides of their heads in both of those pictures (the one that I posted, and the one that you posted) they look identical. Obviously their frontal face looks a bit different but that's because they are not the same character. There is also the fact that on the Serrakin home planet their are half breeds of humans and serrakins mixed together. While I don't believe the character in Bounty is a half-breed, it could possibly be one. Anyways, you seem to be adament on not allowing the third appearance be on this page so I'm not going to bother keep adding it in because if you are just going to keep deleting it, then it's a waste of my time. But just remember one thing, I have seen every episode of SG-1 multiple times, and I was right about the Paul Davis article, and you weren't. Just check their heads and it's pretty clear that the bounty hunters in "Bounty" are of the Serrakin race, because if they are not Serrakin then I honestly don't know what is. 24.108.195.73 08:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

You also have to realize that not all Serrakins look the same, this is a picture of two Serrakins from the "Space Race" episode. (http://personal.inet.fi/viihde/sg1maailma/kuvat/rodut/serrakin.jpg) The one on the left is "Warrick" who is also the same Serrakin from the picture in the Serrakin article, but he looks different because he is portrayed by a different actor. The Serrakin on the right of the picture is Warrick's brother, and as you can see he looks quite different from Warrick in both of Warrick's pictures, but he is still a Serrakin. 24.108.195.73 08:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm well aware that not all Serrakin look alike, and I'm also well aware that Serrakin and humans interbreed, with various physical consequences. I have also seen every episode of Stargate SG-1 multiple times, and the fact that I misheard a single line in a single episode is of no consequence to this discussion (Also, I should point out that I waited for several months for a source for Davis's name, the burden of proof is on whoever's adding information, and nobody came forward in all those months to even point to the episode until I chaned the article). I'm not trying to throw my weight around and say my opinion counts for more, all I'm saying is that, in my opinion, it doesn't look Serrakin. That's why we have Talk pages, to talk about this stuff without constantly reverting. Right now this is just "I think" for both of us, and when it's just two people arguing we play it safe and don't add new info, which is what I said each time I deleted the info from the page. I'm looking for a third person, hopefully with a source, maybe just with an opinion of their own, so this isn't just two people arguing. JBK405 17:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Did you not look at the egg shape spheres on the sides of their heads? If you look at the Serrakin picture on wikipedia and the Serrakin from the episode Bounty that I posted they both have the same sphere shapes on their heads. I really don't comprehend how you don't think this is a Serrakin. 24.108.195.73 21:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I know I'm entering in this conversation a little late, but I would say he is Serrakin. As mentioned above, the picture from Gateworld.net has a species that looks Serrakin. I went and watched the Space Race episode just to look at other Serrakin in the episode, and they all have different facial features. But one feature that is more distinct from the Gateworld.net picture is the white circles or bone type features on the sides of there head as well as being bald. Perhaps the Serrakin from Bounty is just older than other Serrakin, which is why he looks slightly different. That’s my opinion. Motion to declare Serrakin having a third known appearance in the episode Bounty Rynknx 19:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger of Unas (Stargate)

I believe that the Unas aren't that incredibly important as a race in the big game, and that the article could be covered here instead (with a trim for plot detail and original analysis). That would bring the information in line with WP:FICT and prevents deletion. We also have Miscellaneous alien characters in Stargate#Chaka, where we can go into more detail from a more character-specific perspective. Opinions? – sgeureka t•c 23:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Well the Unas are definitely important to be mentioned at some length (first and original host of the Goa'uld, from the Goa'uld home world), and among them, Chaka is also very important (non-violent, shown to be capable of reasoning, actually developed some form of friendship with Daniel, human qualities, later went on to lead the Unas resistance on the planet on which Beast of Burden (5x07) takes place). From there, however, their storyline is insignificant, so I'm not quite sure how to proceed. I think we may be able to justify their own article, but if not, a hefty well-researched section in the alien races article. They're quite important to the understanding of the Goa'uld, how they learned to use hosts and control them etc. (compare the Unas of Thor's Hammer to Chaka and his kind). —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 18:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Agree with merge, but make sure it transfers the majority of the information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Million Moments (talk • contribs)
I'll wait for the official AfD result for Unas language (there are a couple of merge recommendations) before doing anything with the Unas and then I'll keep the debate open for one or two more weeks and I hope that I will feel more confident that merging is indeed the right action. As Vanderdecken pointed out quite rightly, the Unas are kind of important early on, but not so much any time later. Transwikiing and then linking there almost sounds like an optimal solution for the time being, should a trim&merge happen. – sgeureka t•c 19:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Because the image is under threat from deletion and I need to give the name iof the article for the fair use rationale could we come to a consensus on this? Million_Moments (talk) 11:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I've trimmed the original article and merged it without the original research and without unnecessary (plot) detail here. – sgeureka t•c 21:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trim down for those with articles of their own

I think those races that have an article of their own, like Goa'uld, should be trimmed down to just a line or two with a link to their main article along the lines of List of Tau'ri characters in Stargate SG-1 and List of Tau'ri characters in Stargate Atlantis. We certainly should not have images of them when the image is on the main article, it causes problems when it comes to fair use. If there are no objection this will be done in 7 days. Million_Moments (talk) 18:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Did you forget a "not" in your sentence ("We certainly should not have images")? I agree with the image-fair-use issue but I have been really reluctant to remove the images myself (I'd however welcome others being bold). As for trimming the description down to one or two lines - I don't think this is keeping within the spirit of Wikipedia:Summary style. I favor leaving one compact paragraph for the races that have their own articles. – sgeureka t•c 19:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merger of Nox (Stargate)

Basically the same "problem" as with the Unas (Stargate). A race with some in-universe significance, but no real-world significance. Furthermore, the article also contains a lot of original research, which should be removed, making the article even more stubby than it already is. As the first three seasons have no audio commentaries and since I have no access to the companion guides, I am uncertain how much real-world information there actually is out there to make the article be inline with WP:FICT and WP:WAF. As I finally felt comfortable to merge Alliance of four great races here (i.e. Aliens in Stargate), I also believe that it is the right to merge the Nox here. – sgeureka t•c 10:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Merged. wikia:Stargate:Nox already seems pretty in-depth, so I transwikied nothing. – sgeureka t•c 12:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merger of Furling (Stargate)

This is not as clear-cut as the Nox because I guess it is possible to dig up some reviews for 200 (Stargate SG-1) that mention the Furlings, making them notable as per WP:FICT. The article is also already reasonably good (as in, it is in style with WP:WAF) and is not under the threat of deletion for non-notability, so there is no deadline to do anything about it if we don't want to. I still think that it is better to merge the Furlings here for comprehensiveness. This will be the last alien (non-human) SG race that I propose to be merged here (I guess), because all the others have too huge in-universe significance and (very likely) non-trivial real-world information such as sales figures, critical and popular reception, development, cultural impact, and merchandise (WP:FICT), with the potential to even become Good Articles. – sgeureka t•c 10:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Merged. wikia:Stargate:Furlings contains all the interesting speculation that is discouraged on wikipedia, so I linked there, all the other information (especially the real-world information) stays on wikipedia. Encyclopedic expansion is still possible, but I'm not so sure any longer if there is so much that the Furlings can be split off again. But never say never. – sgeureka t•c 19:02, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This article does not contains excessive use of copyrighted images.

It's free PR for the show and it underlines what is being talked about. Move on, nothing to see here (rather literally since there are only a couple of pictures) --IceHunter (talk) 05:58, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

This article does not contains excessive use of copyrighted images... any longer. I already removed several images, but I am not sure whether the remaining ones satisfy WP:NFC now, so I left the tag up. If you feel the article is fine now, just remove the tag. – sgeureka t•c 09:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rename into Races in Stargate

Aliens in Stargate, Human civilizations in Stargate SG-1 and Human civilizations in Stargate Atlantis currently have no parent article, and I always found this "deficient" but couldn't think of a way to fix that without introducing masses of redundancy. But what about simply renaming Aliens in Stargate into Races in Stargate and adding a short section called "Humans" at the top, with the hatnotes linking to the human civilization articles (plus the Tau'ri maybe)? Humans are a race after all, and quite an important one in the shows. – sgeureka t•c 09:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

"Humans are ... important ... in the shows." Understatement of the year.  :) Sounds like a good idea, though. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 03:02, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Agree, sounds like a good idea.--88wolfmaster (talk) 06:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Renamed and section added. I am going to fix possible double redirects now. – sgeureka t•c 09:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)