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[edit] Masculine?

What makes anyone think R2 is masculine? Guttlekraw 03:16, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Again, Veriditas, what makes you think that R2D2's programming is masculine? Your reversion without explanation is vandalism. Guttlekraw 13:57, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm not Veriditas but...R2 is masculine. He is consistently referred to as male throughout the movies. There is no question in my mind that R2-D2 is male. I know that this is my interpretation, and I realize that you're not convinced of the same. However, with all due respect, I think that blatantly changing something to fit your POV when you didn't gauge how others would feel about it first is vandalism. In other words, this should have been asked before you started editing, and I would support a revert back to the original text until consensus is made. May 23 2005 67.101.113.10
Erm, I appreciate that your interpretation is that R2 is male, but, with respect, that is your interpretation. There is nothing in the canon or elsewhere that suggests R2 has 'masculine programming'. The droid is reffered to as 'he', but then the Millenium Falcon is reffered to as 'she', and no one is suggesting that that ship has 'feminine engineering'. It is utter speculation to suggest that the programming is masculine. I am also somewhat disturbed that you think that I should ask first before editing anything. I'm happy to discuss this if you think there is any evidence of this programming issue, but otherwise, I don't think we should include fan speculation in the taxo box. Guttlekraw 03:26, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
It's not just his interpretation, nor is it controversial. You seem to take great pleasure in making changes to consensus-driven articles and then claiming they are controversial. Because of this continued pattern of behavior across multiple articles, as well as your baseless personal attacks in edit summaries and on talk pages, I have labeled you a troll. --Viriditas | Talk 13:35, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, as usual, you have not responded to the reasonable question of what possible justification there is for your POV, but with personal attacks. Please try to stick to the facts of the article rather than indulging in abuse. Guttlekraw 14:22, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Veriditas, this does actually seem to be a fair question - if you answered it, your version would hold more weight. Intrigue 15:10, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
It is not my version, it is the consensus version of the page which is backed up by the movies and the novelizations. --Viriditas | Talk 23:28, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I concur that R2-D2 is a male. He's referred to as a male by everyone who uses a pronoun for him, including Threepio who says, among other examples, "I'd like to take him down to maintenance." Since Threepio's the only main character who can understand Artoo's speech, I think he'd know better than anyone. ekedolphin 08:15, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
Well, I agree that 3PO says 'he', but then Han calls the Falcon 'she'. Noone claims that the Falcon has 'feminine engineering'. It's a convenience, not a description of R2's programming. Guttlekraw 09:22, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
The reason the Falcon is referred to as "she" is because traditionally, ships and cars have been referred to as females and this obviously applies to the Falcon as a starship. They also call the ships females in Star Trek and even gave the ship computer a female voice. However, it seems different with robots as C-3PO is undoubtedly illuded to as a male character (listen to his voice, no female sounds like that). And George Lucas himself proclaimed R4, Obi-Wan's droid, to be female [1] (at the bottom). This means that the R- units DO have gender and following that, due to the referral throughout ALL movies as a he, we can SAFELY assume R2-D2 is a "male", or at least has "male programming". Not to mention they actually put a MALE human inside to control the droid, his name is Kenny Baker [2][3]. And as for the consensus... thats just stupid, there will NEVER be a consensus, a simple majority will do so why not start an official vote?--Sasquatch 06:30, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
P.S. compare [[4]] with [[5]], one is referred to as a he and one as a she! now if that doesn't justify it, i don't know what will! Also, [[6]] proves existence of other female droids meaning DROIDS DO HAVE GENDER! and i doubt u can argue the source of starwars.com
Well, the fact that Kenny Baker is male seems irrelevant, as does the comment "George decided on the spot that R4-P17 was a girl" from the web site you list, since it reffers to R4-P17, not R2. Star Trek is also irrelevant. C3PO is programmed to be male, his role is human cyborg relations, and the reason appears to be that it is more comfortable to humans to attribute a gender, this is not the case with R2. Yes, traditionally ships are reffered to as she, just as the robots in star wars are traditionally reffered to as he. It doesn't mean that anyone is saying the ship 'is' female, or has 'female engineering' or programming. That would be as stupid as saying that R2 has male programming. I'm not saying it is impossible that R2 has masculine programming, just that it is fan speculation, and does not belong in an encyclopedia. You point out that the star wars databank has droids that appear to have intended gender, that's fine, but it doesn't prove which, if any, gender r2 has. Re you comments on concensus, I think you don't really understand what the term means. You are talking about simple majority, not concensus. Guttlekraw3 07:20, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
The films and novelizations have established that R2-D2 has male programming. Can you provide reputable cited evidence that demonstrates the error of this conclusion? This classification is also a function of Template:SW_Droid and is hardly unique to this page. --Viriditas | Talk 08:43, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Which films? Your usual useless vagueness doesn't help at all. If you mean the fact that C3PO calls R2 'he', that is not conclusive, as other inanimate things like the Falcon are also reffered to by gender, without indicating that they are programmed to have one. The other logical falacy you make is assuming that the fact that the error is in a template affects whether or not it should be fixed. In any event, many of the entries' 'genders' appear to be fan speculation. Guttlekraw3 08:56, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Your statement, Your usual useless vagueness is a personal attack, and I would appreciate it if you would stop making them. The film in question refers to Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (I'm sorry, sir. He seems to have picked up a slight flutter...You can repair him, can't you?) if I remember correctly. This is not fan speculation but official/unofficial canon, as demonstrated by the novelization. Lastly, the official website refers to R2-D2 as a male. See [7]. Also see [8]: Luke considers Artoo such a close friend and companion that the droid served as best man at his wedding to Mara Jade. --Viriditas | Talk 10:59, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

It's either cannon or it's not, and I could not find anything in the sources you cite that says that R2 has 'masculine programming', only that they reffer to the droid as 'he', much as they reffer to the Falcon as 'she', without meaning that the ship is 'femenine' in any serious sense. Again, the fact that R2 'served as best man' simply shows that the droid played that role. The sentence 'Princess Leih served as best man' would make sense in that context, but would not imply that she was a man, simply that she played that ceremonial role. It is fan speculation to attribute a gender to the programming. No amount of scrabbling around on starwars.com will change that. Unless there is a cannon source which shows that the programming is deliberately masculine, it is misleading to say that it is. Guttlekraw3 11:57, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Alright, let's try this logic again: First we know R- droids do have gender (R4 for example is female is she not?) Second: R2-D2 is a R type droid Third: R2 is constantly referred to as a he while R4 as a she. Now work with me here, its not that hard to figure out R class droids have gender... R4 is a she... then R2 is ALWAYS called a he... what could that possibly mean? hmm... according to you, its "just a convinience", if so, then why call R4 a she? I can understand your arguement that all ships are called she for convinience, but that's consistent everywhere, ALL ships are called she, but not all droids are called he. This must mean that R class droids have variation meaning some type of difference between R4 and R2 which justifies the gender issue. And I do know what a consensus is. If you were to actually read and try to grasp what i'm saying, you would realize that "there will NEVER be a consensus, a simple majority will do" which means simply that it is nearly impossible to get EVERYBODY to agree on an issue and hence they invented something called simple majority or 50%+1 vote. They use this in most modern democracies on voting issues and seeing as Wikipedia is a democracy, i reitterate, a simple majority will do and right now, you are out voted. Again, i have cited evidence in previous posts and the made fair analyses while you have not! you have yet to cite a single source the deems that droid gender is "just a convinience" as you claim. So until you do find something that refutes what i have provided, i believe my claim is a whole lot stronger than yours as it actually has backing. One more thing, Leiah would never play "Best Man" because the "best man" is always a man! There's something called "Maid of Honor" or bridesmaid for females at a wedding...--Sasquatch 18:43, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

I have no interest in R2D2 or Star Wars, but you might want to read Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not_a_democracy#Wikipedia_is_not_a_democracy. Also, Leiah would be Maid of Honour if she was assisting the bride, the best man assists the groom. If she assisted Luke, she would be 'acting as' the Best Man.

It seems pretty flimsy that simply on the basis that GL made a remark about another droid being femenine to make the leap that this one is. Frankly it is still fan speculation, at best original research. The reason that there is no source saying 'R2D2 has no specific gender' is that the cannon never addresses the issue at all. There is nothing saying that there is no specific gender because nothing talks about it one way or the other, therefore, fan speculation is the best we can do, and that is not good enough for Wikipedia. GL was not talking about R2.
Quick interjection: through deductive reasoning: If R-class droids have gender associated with them and R2-D2 is an R class droid then R2-D2 should have some type of gender associated with him. I can't see what's so hard to understand about that?--Sasquatch 00:30, May 28, 2005 (UTC)

The anon above demolishes the rest of your flimsy case. Guttlekraw3 10:59, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

No shit! R2D2's not a dude. No way. A eunuch, or has Klinefelter's syndrome, for sure. All your base are belong to us 14:08, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Alright, fair enough, but after taking a look at the other pages devoted to star wars droids, it seems the precedent set is just to place a (?) after masculine progaming if it is never specified... so why not just stick to that? and there is a term "Best woman" if u look at the best man page... but again, R2 is referred to as a "he" and this arguement is getting more and more pointless by the second. It seems fair as R2 seems to precieved to be more masuline than feminine.--Sasquatch 00:30, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
Allegedly, the book, Star Wars: The Essential Guide to Droids (ISBN 0345420675) describes R2-D2 as having masculine programming. If nobody gets to it before me, I'm going to attempt to verify this claim at the local bookstore. --Viriditas | Talk 06:08, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
  • R2-D2 is of masculine programming. I can only assume this because he is referred to as 'he' in both the movies and novelizations. If he were female, he would be referred to as 'she'. What is so hard to understand about this? --Imperialles 07:18, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Forgive me for jumping in, but in the character information box on page 138 of The New Essential Guide to Characters by Daniel Wallace (ISBN 0-345-44900-2), it does indeed state that R2-D2 has "masculine programming." No "alledgedly" about it. 66.27.233.203 09:05, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Excellent work. I'm removing the question mark. This seems to be a different book, but it's the same author. --Viriditas | Talk 11:18, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
Well, Daniel Wallace is an Official Source, if I am not mistaken, not part of canon. In Episode 1, R2 is reffered to as 'it' by Amadala and others, indicating that it is not clear to her that the droid has a gender. You would think that if it was common knowledge that all R2 units had a gender she would not do this. In the canon sources, some people refer to R2 as 'he', some as 'it'. The fact that there are canon sources showing no clear concensus seems to override an official source claiming there is. At the very least, the issue seems to be unclear still. Intrigue 05:14, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
The issue is clear, consensus is clear, and external sources support the statement. If there is a controversy over the programming gender, please be so kind as to provide reputable sources. --Viriditas | Talk 05:57, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Seeing as another revert war might start, let's try to avoid it. Can anyone just find a way to link something on the article page to this discussion, that way, people can just make up there own minds? or say write something into the article to the effect of "We are not completely sure that R2 has a gender, but these sources (list sources) seem to indicate that he has masculine programming." if that sounds acceptable to everyone?--Sasquatch 06:56, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

It might be acceptable if it wasn't for the fact that all the users disagreeing with consensus are sock puppets of Guttlekraw. We should not stray into the realm of original research. A reference to the book in question should suffice. --Viriditas | Talk 11:08, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
How about a note saying: "Canon sources are mixed, although official sources (New Essential Guide to Characters by Daniel Wallace) claim that R2D2 has "Masculine programming""? That covers the fact that some characters call R2 'it', and some 'he', while secondary materials seem to claim the droid has a gender (whatever tf that means anyway). All your base are belong to us 10:28, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
Guttlekraw sockpuppet noted. --Viriditas | Talk 11:06, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Baseless (pun intended) accusation noted. 84.54.71.1 12:27, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

V, your accusations are unwelcome, and not relevant. Sasquatch has a sensible point. You seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you is a troll / sockpuppet / lunatic. I think it's possible that you don't have a monopoly on the truth. All your base are belong to us 12:32, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
No, I think that you're a sockpuppet of Guttlekraw etc. regardless of whether or not you disagree with me. You both use the same grammar, arguments, and appeals to original research. These latest puppets ("All your base are belong to us" etc.) were created when you were informed that there wasn't consensus for your POV. --Viriditas | Talk 22:28, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Look at the facts, people: 1) R2 is almost always referred to as 'he'; this is clearly not a mere convenience, as other droids (R4 and EV-9D9 come to mind) are referred to as female (the times when R2 is occasionally referred to as 'it' are by those unfamiliar with him/her/it). 2) We have an official source, approved by Lucas, which states that R2 has 'masculine programming.' Conclusion: I fail to see why there is any dispute. The only argument offered against these facts is "Oh, those official sources might be wrong, and droids should be gender neutral..." Why no facts? Because there are none. Case closed. Why are we still arguing? Aidje 02:09, 2005 May 31 (UTC)
People are still arguing because your summary of the facts is wrong. Canon sources are mixed. Some characters refer to R2 as 'he', others as 'it'. Amadala is clearly respectful of the droid, but does not think to ask whether 'it' is male or female. She behaves as if it is perfectly normal for a droid not to have a gender. Therefore, there is no consistency in canon sources. Official sources are secondary, and always overridden by canon sources, therefore, in this case they are not of any help. There is nothing that we can definately say about R2's gender. As passionate as you are about your fan speculation, that's all it is. Guttlekraw3 06:28, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
You aren't fooling anyone, Guttlekraw. There aren't any "people" arguing, other you and your sockpuppets which you created to break the three-revert rule (and imitate consensus), just as you created User:Guttlekraw3 when you were blocked for violating the 3RR. Furthermore, you are a troll, which your namesake from Elfquest ("Guttlekraw King of the Trolls") makes explicitly clear. Comparing the edit histories between you, User:Guttlekraw3, User:Intrigue, User:All your base are belong to us and User:84.54.71.1 shows that you are the same user. This childish behavior will only lead to an RFC or arbitration case against you. --Viriditas | Talk 06:47, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
  • It's not uncommon for someone unfamilair with a certain animal to refer to it as 'it', even if it did just save your life- "It saved my life!". Only after then learning its gender would you call it as such. And I don't think you check somethings gender out of gratitude... --82.32.238.130 10:19, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Viriditas sockpuppet noted. Guttlekraw3 12:11, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Two guesses left- here, look, I even signed in to give you a hint. --Made2Fade 19:28, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Look you guys, honestly, I think the issue has been solved! Since as Guttlekraw3 said, the droid's gender is NOT specifically dealt with in canon (yes, you said it yourself), we can go to other sources (unless you want to change your mind about it not being dealt with in the canon). Therefore, an official source seems fine. And i'm even comprimising here, I admit there's some descrepancies (though they could be explained by not being familiar with the droid at first), but since there is room for doubt, the information is on the page. This leaves the reader free to judge whether or not R2-D2 has gender. And we also do have it in book form, not to mention plausible arguements you just refuse to accept. But I believe the majority of people in here will agree the footnote is perfectly fine as it summarizes the arguement for masculine programming but leaves room for options. If you really want to help make this page better, suggest improvements to the footnote or make them yourself. Honestly, you've been tooting the same horn over and over and over without much backing. I've comprimised for you, yet you have failed to compromise ANYTHING in return, you just keep claiming fan speculation everytime. As for this whole sockpuppet business, IF (I'm not saying anyone does here) has a sockpuppet account they are using, STOP IT! Frankly, it's kinda lame. And both Viriditas and Guttlekraw, stop making these stupid personal attacks on each other. Just learn to get along here, that's all I ask. Is everybody with me here?--Sasquatch 00:26, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

Preach, brother, I'm with you. I got carried away with my passion for the whole thing, I repent. Guttlekraw 07:16, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Just out of interest, when is R2 referred to as 'it' by someone whi is familair with it? --82.32.238.130 10:55, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • You know most character guides to Star Wars do state R-2, and C3PO do have Masculine programing.

[edit] R2 vs Artoo

When shortening R2-D2's name, should it be written as R2, or Artoo? Personally I would go with Artoo as this is how it is written in the screenplays and also in novels. Likewise I think C-3PO should be shortened to Threepio.

  • The written out version is not the most used name, it just helps one say the designation correctly. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:30, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Well done

Well done Viriditas, you have successfully collaborated to produce a version that is factually correct and acceptable to all parties. You are well on the way to understanding how Wikipedia works - doesn't that feel better? Thank you, All your base are belong to us 09:26, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for proving beyond a doubt that you are a sock puppet of Guttlekraw, as demonstrated by a virtually identical insulting and misleading message you addressed to me on Talk:Drug abuse under your Guttlekraw3 account, which can be viewed here. Again, the edit history demonstrates that you have waged an edit war, engaged in personal attacks, violated the 3RR and used sock puppets on this and other pages to mislead Wikipedians. In fact, the edit history demonstrates that you still don't understand how Wikipedia works, and you have broken policy after policy due to your ignorance. The fact that you have been forced to accept cited sources after almost two months of having the concept explained to you on other talk pages, shows a little progress on your part, but I'm afraid you have a long way to go. --Viriditas | Talk 02:22, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Both of you stop. This is pointless. You both seem more concerned with being right than anything else. I'm fairly new to wikipedia but i know a thing or 2 about concensus. Consensus, contrary to popular belief is not the same as agreement. It means that all parties can live with the outcome. So here is the question, can you live with r2d2's programming being cited or not cited as male on wikipedia (or whatever the dispute may be). As I said I am new to wikipedia, however everything I have found here tells me it is not a battleground. Accusations will only make this worse whether or not they are true.

[edit] Origins

I removed the mention of George Lucas in Love a 2nd time on the grounds that it is just a piece of internet fan fiction. If we were to mention every joke involving R2D2 on the net, this article would be pages long. Is there any reason to think that this particular piece warrants a mention? Ashmoo 29 June 2005 01:09 (UTC)

I didn't mean to be contrary, I just thought it was objectionable in the origins section, so I thought I'd move it elsewhere. George Lucas in Love is certainly more than a piece of interet fan-fiction tho. It is a short, professional-looking film praised by Lucas himself, a parody of Shakespeare in Love. If Ashmoo hasn't seen it, and enjoys Star Wars, he certainly should. I do think I shall add it back, because it's at least as good as the reference to that short-lived cartoon series, but don't wish to be contrary so I shall leave it as is for now.--Signor Giuseppe 29 June 2005 14:52 (UTC)
This has been up here almost a month with no comment, so I'm putting GLIL back in soon unless I hear a good reason why not.--Signor Giuseppe 14:42, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Does anybody have proof or a reference for this assertion "R2-D2 was derived from the robot IQ-9 in the Japanese animation Star Blazers." ?

[edit] Popularity

[oringinally under the heading George Lucas in Love]
This might not have much to do with Lucas, but who cares that Ewan McGregor's daughter loves R2-D2? What's the relevance of that, I ask you? PlatinumTracks 03:08, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I have been looking for an excuse to cut that down. I actually left in the notion that his daughter loves R2D2, but it doesn't stick out now as the longest part of that section.--Signor Giuseppe 14:42, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Recognition and memory

just a small point: the article refers to R2 not having his memory wiped and the fact that Ben doesn't recognize him. this is explained as:

to the first point, as R2 is essentially a repair droid, there was no call to perform a memory wipe as he performed his job well enough, and his lack of speech in non-mechanical language meant he wasn't likely to accidentally mention it to someone who actually cared.

to the second point, it's recognized in EU that droids like R2 are exceedingly common, and it stands to reason that there's at least one Astromech droid with the same casing and color scheme as R2 SOMEWHERE in the galaxy.

In the latest series of Star Wars novels, it has been revealed that Artoo does, in fact, know about the relationship between Luke and his father. Luke has been made aware of this, but Artoo is trying desperatly to keep Luke from learning any more, going so far as to damage himself to keep that knowledge secret. This point should probably be touched on in the article (while properly noting that it is part of the EU, and thus, not explicitly cannon) by someone who has a better memory of the events than I do.

[edit] "R2-D2 was played by Kenny Baker in 3 Star Wars films"

Kenny Baker is actually credited as playing R2-D2 in all 6 Star Wars films. This comment should be corrected. Wavy G 00:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alpha-5, inspired character?

Do you guys think that Alpha 5's (from Power Rangers design might have been based on a fusion of R2-D2's domed head and C-3PO's cowardly attitude? Consider their serving of teens with magical martial arts powers under the direction of blue spectres of old men... Tyciol 19:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Unless the creators of Power Rangers say that it is, we may not put it on, as it would just be speculation... Billvoltage 00:02, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] R2... force?

Artoo could have been a larger scale anakin/vader project meaning there WOULD be a brain or mind, how else would he/she be so indipendent(note the Epp VI plus EU brain spiders!).

please reply BY 0blitter8or "PIE SHAL RULE THE WORLD!!!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.63.14.16 (talk • contribs)


Is this WP:BJAODN-able? –Tifego(t) 00:46, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Change in speech

R2 is the only character (despite being a non-living droid) to appear in all six Star Wars films, without changes to appearance or speech, unlike his colleague C-3PO, who, in Phantom Menace, did not yet have the gold plating he'd boast for all his other appearances.

Is this really true? R2's beeping is quite different in Return of the Jedi, sounding more like a MIDI, or almost like old Nintendo soundtracks. The other five movies feature a sharper, more halting beep. Troymccluresf 16:56, 5 June 2006 (UTC)Troymccluresf

I concur, has anybody else noticed how different he sounds in RotJ? 59.154.26.124 05:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] R2 and 3PO meet in A New Hope?

Yet another potential inconsistancy arises as it is implied through dialogue that C-3PO and R2-D2 meet for the first time while serving aboard Leia's ship at the beginning of A New Hope. Yet the prequel movies show they they have actually been acquainted for some time. It is possible that they have had their memory wiped, as evident by the words "have the protocol droid's mind wiped" near the end of "Revenge of the Sith".

I suggest removing the above paragraph, I don't recall any dialog on the part of C-3PO or any other character implying that they just met. On the contrary, there is plenty of dialog that suggests they HAVE known each other for quite some time. Additionally, C-3PO is the only who got his mind wiped, not both (as the last sentence implies). 65.120.75.6 15:41, 22 September 2006 (UTC)Tim

[edit] Inspiration?

Around the same time that A New Hope was being shot, Ray Harryhausen had already created Bubo for the 1981 film Clash of the Titans. It was a metal owl with a big head that flew heavily and made whistles and tweets. However Lucas and Harryhausen found about each other's work when it was already started.

So this in fact is not an inspiration? If not it should be removed, or put somewhere else. It actually seems like pretty irrelevent trivia, kind of like saying, "R2 looks like a juicer machine I bought last year. But since R2 was created many years before it's clear that R2 was not in fact inspired by the juicer." See?65.120.75.6 15:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)Tim

Restored with a citation showing that some critics accused Harryhausen, so it is encyclopedic to clarify the issue. --Error 21:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nonsense in plot holes section

The plot holes section offers following explanation for one of plot holes: "The magazine, Star Wars Insider Issue 62, explains that R2's manufacturers at Industrial Automation had limited their factory warranty on astromech rockets to about 20 years, which would explain why R2 doesn't have his rockets in the Original Trilogy." It is a cute thing but it is not based on the reality of the movies. It is just fiction about fiction. It is fun to speculate about such things but it does not have anything in common with the movie. It should not be here. Wikipedia can inform about plot, it can explain jokes, etc., but it should not create any new reality about movie. I propose deleting those speculations.

Anyway, I do not see any reason for the whole plot holes section in this article. We can have plot holes article or section in the Star Wars article but I why repeating it separately for each character. Plus, In most cases it is original research. --Jan Smolik 21:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


Can someone post a pic of R2???

[edit] R2 Saves the Day

Episode IV: I don't think that it's reasonable to say that R2 saves Luke from the empire, because the only reason that the Empire is at the farm is because they're looking for R2. If he had still been on the sandcrawler, then the Empire would have caught him there, and Luke & family would have continued their lives as before. 130.63.42.169 15:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I actually agree with the section, R2 is definitely a lifesaver. However, it seems to me that it definitely errs on the side of original research having this section. Thoughts? GlassCobra 13:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think this R2 saves the day section is necessary at all Heirware (talk) 08:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I have added the original research cleanup tag to the section. If no one can establish a sourcing for "R2 saving the day" as a specific and notable phenomena, I say we get rid of the section. Slavlin (talk) 05:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Introduction

High precision? That would usually mean low tolerances. 82.236.20.32 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 13:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Um, yeah, right.

Unless it's because I have an older version of the game... I don't think R2-D2 appears in Ocarina of Time. I'm looking at the music machine in the Bombchu Bowling Alley right now and I don't see him anywhere. :/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.197.243 (talk) 03:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)