Talk:Quorum (Latter Day Saints)

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I've gone through and cleaned up doctrinally. However, I did not incude patriarch quorums as they are very rare in LDSM sects. John, do you know which ones have them, I cannot recall for sure, but believe strangites, and some of the apostolic brethren-type utah sects fit the bill. Thoughts? -Visorstuff 19:32, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

This article seems to be based stricly on text from the Doctrine & Covenants. But is the practice of this interpretation the same in all of the sects of Mormonism? For instance, the Aaronic and Melchizedek priesthood groups may be strictly CoJCoLDS. Val42 19:57, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

As a matter of practice, Patriarchs are usually grouped with the High Priests, for purposes of socialization and social project assignments (like Home Teaching duties and quorum organization for disaster relief). While a different priesthood office, Patriarchs report to the "President of the Melchizedek Priesthood", which is the Stake President, who is also the president of the High Priest's Quorum. --Robert Horning 17:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Robert, you are correct for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, however, in the broader "Mormonism" you are not. Patriarchs and Apostles in the LDS Church are considered both High Priests and their respective offices - much like being a bishop and high priest at the same time. In fundamentalist sects and other Mormonism or Latter Day Saint movement sects, there are and have been patriarch or evangelical quorumns. Since this is a Mormonism article, we try to represent the basic beliefs as shared by all of the broader movement. For example, no patriarch is going ot be home teaching in the Community of Christ as they don't even have home teachers. And the patriarch in the Community of Christ is not accountable to a stake president. And then there are other sects where the patriarch plays a much larger role, but i digress. -Visorstuff 00:23, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Unnamed Quorum

I thought this quorum (although unnamed in the revelation) was called the "Council on the Disposition of Tithes" in the CJCoLDS.

Correct. But unnamed in the revelations - this is a LDSM article - we could add in: "in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints it is called 'the Council on the Disposition of Tithes,'" but either way is fine with me. -Visorstuff 21:34, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

--Actually, this council is talked about in the Doctrine and Covenants, and metioned elsewhere, but is not technically a quorum. It is the legal body and "trustees" that determine how donations to the church are administered. The three bodies (First Presidency, Presiding Bishopric, and Quorum of the Twelve) are in fact independent entitities with duties beyond dealing with church finances. Most administration of church facilities, including building maintainence and church organizations beyond the ecclesiastical structure like Deseret Industries and Bonneville Communications are administered through the Presiding Bishopric. The Quroum of the Twelve has direct oversight authority for all ecclesiastical organizations, particularly toward Stake Presidents and groups like Area Presidencies. Obviously the First Presidency deals with both sets of issues for church governance. --Robert Horning 17:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

It is talked about but not named in the D&C [1]. It is mentioned elsewhere - but again, in the broader mormonism context, it is considered a quorum just as much as the high council is. Second, in the LDS church I believe the council is incorporated, much like the trustee-in-trust or corporation of the first presidency is - so it is a legal entity as well. But this is not specified by D&C revelation, and therefore is a "LDS Church thing," not a Mormonism thing. Using this same reasoning, you'd have to say the council of the twelve is not a quorum, as it is a council in the revelations not called a quorum. But we believe it is a quorum in the LDS Church. This is disputed in other LDSM sects, who define council and quorum as the same thing or as vastly different things. Hope this helps. -Visorstuff 00:23, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Quorums of the Seventy

While historically Seventy were found within stake and local organizations, that is an historical anachronism that needs to be removed. On the other hand, the eighth and nineth quorums of Seventy were recently organized for Area Authority Seventies, so even the scriptural limit of seven quorums is not taken officially. Much more could be added about the organization of the Seventy, including distinctions between the 1st Quorum, the 2nd Quroum, and the 3rd through 9th Quorums (that are organized along geographical lines). --Robert Horning 17:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Again, you are thinking of the Latter-day Saints and LDS Church, rather than Latter Day Saints and Mormonism in general. The revelation on the 70 is D&C 107, and it states that there are seven presidents who preside over the seventy. There can be 70 times 70 seventies called (4900) [2] this does not specify how many quorums, but specifies how many presidents and how many total seventy there can be (4900) under seven presidents. This does not specify if they are stake or general authorities, but that all of the 70 together form one large quorum who is "equal in authority" to the First Presidency and Twelve apostles. See D&C 107:25-26 [3]. Of course most people look at gosh seven presidents, it seems to make sense that means one president per quorum, but that is not specified. The Seventy are seperate and different than all other callings in teh Church (verse 25) and are to be set apart from all other offices. In other Latter Day Saint sects, 70 still exist in the stakes, and they may once again be called in teh LDS Church. Who knows. Again, I hope this context is helpful. The revelations are clear enough on many things and broad enough on others that there is a lot of flexibility in church government following the principles outlined in the revelations to Joseph Smith, Jr. And it seems that every church in the Latter Day Saint Movement interprets them slightly differently. Please accept this feedback to your thoughts with a grain of salt - not meant to say you are wrong, but to hopefully expand your horizons on this topic... -Visorstuff 00:23, 27 October 2005 (UTC)