Talk:Quentin Kawānanakoa
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Despite of perhaps presented claims, the Kawananakoa do not descend from the Kamehameha dynasty. Actually, Kamehameha dynasty went extinct in 1884, there is no known descendant left.
Kawananakoa descend from a first cousin of Kalakaua and from a sister of Kalakaua's queen - which facts may make them sort of collateral line of Kalakaua dynasty - or then not. However, there is additionally a big question mark in actual descent, as David Kawananakoa did not recognize his wife's first child as his own, and if she was not David's biological child, then there seems to be no descent through which Quentin could be of Kalakaua's relations. 217.140.193.123 20:08, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
The intro of this page reads:
Quentin Kawananakoa, formally Quentin Kuhio Kawananakoa (September 28, 1961- ), is the current head of the House of Kawananakoa and holds the title of prince and heir to the throne of the Kingdom of Hawai'i.
Saying that Kawananakoa "holds" the title of prince and heir to the throne of the Kingdom of Hawaii is pushing POV, IMO. It implies that the title held is an official style rather than a personal style. Thus, I'm changing the wording of the intro to replace "holds" with the less POV word "claims." 青い(Aoi) 10:30, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Could someone please clarify what college Kawananakoa attended? Thank you, 青い(Aoi) 08:33, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
Besides that, could someone cite this article's sources? Thanks, 青い(Aoi) 09:45, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Is it just me or does this scream 'vanity edit'? Rex 21:03, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Not actually a vanity edit. This guy after all is a pretender of a fallen monarchy - such tend to have articles in WP as well as in other extensive encyclopedias. Cf e.g Louis Alfonso, Duke of Anjou. On the other hand, the content (which might be vanity if left to writing by supporters) is currently rather neutral. Of course, everyone should watch the contents, since articles of this sort of issues tend to become POV battlegrounds. 217.140.199.142 14:07, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Major rewrite
I recently reread over this article and noted that this article seems to treat his (legally unrecognized status) as heir to the Hawaiian throne as being more important than his very notable political career. Of course, his status as a pretender to the Hawaiian throne is very notable, however, I think this article should also emphasize his work as a politician. I'm currently working on a rewrite of this article, which I will post here when ready. Any comments and feedback would be greatly appreciated. 青い(Aoi) 08:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Once again
One MUST be careful about using the title "recognized" with a royal title, such as was done in this aection: In September 1995, Kawananakoa married Barbados native Elizabeth Broun. They had their first child in June 1996, Kincaid Kawananakoa. In December 1999, the couple had another child, Riley Kawananakoa. Both became recognized with the title of prince.
Recognized by whom? Certainly not the State of Hawaii or the U.S.. Perhaps a european or african or asian royal family? Maybe the king of Tonga, the last Polinesian monarch. Unfortunately we aren't told.
Contrary to popular belief, the US constitution doesn't prohibit citizen's from holding noble or royal titles. However, it does phohibit certain people from holding them. It is possible that this might apply to a member of the Hawaii State Legislature. It would certainly apply to a US senator, thus I doubt that Mr. Kawananakoa actively claims the title of prince these days, if ever. One would doubt his ability to pass on a title he doesn't claim.
[edit] Kawananakoa's political career
Yes, this article gives Mr. Kawananakoa's political career short shrift! We have no idea from this article what issues he ran for Congress on, which is a pity because some of them, for example his strong support for President Bush in regard to the Iraq war, may have contributed to his defeat in famously liberal Hawaii!
It is hardly appropriate to put the word "prince" in front of his name when one is giving election statistics--the number of votes he received in the 2006 Republican primary, for example. In some other contexts it's perfectly appropriate, as for example when one is calling attention to his position as Head of the House of Hawaii ("pretender" or "heir to the throne", if you insist). Certainly he has a role in the Hawaiian community that has to do with his ancestry, and presumably he's proud of it. But that is, as the saying goes, a different hat he wears. He sure as anything doesn't call himself Prince Kawananakoa on his election campaign website, and if he did he'd be making a fool of himself. Nope. The campaign site, after introducing him, calls him plain "Quentin".
Mr. Kawananakoa may be a "pretender" technically speaking, but there's a world of difference between the life he lives and the way men like Leka of Albania, or the grandson of Haile Selassie, or Urberto of Italy, or the Count of Paris carry themselves. The one thing a serious claimant to any lapsed throne NEVER does is to run for a partisan political office! These guys consider such things utterly beneath their dignity. Some of Mr. Kawananakoa's immediate predecessors as Head of the House of Hawaii did act very much like royal pretenders--one thinks of Abigail Kawananakoa, who served as chair of Friends of Iolani Palace, was usually referred to as "the Princess", and made history by infamously sitting on Liluokalani's throne for a photograph and later saying "I can sit anywhere I want." That's not Quentin Kawananakoa by any means.
Other posts here are correct in asking "recognized as prince" by whom? The head of the House of Hawaii is often called Prince So-and-so or Princess So-and-so. It's an informal social title applied to the descendants of Hawaiian royalty, and it has no legal standing; U.S. citizens can't have actual legal titles of nobility and royalty---not Quentin Kawananakoa, not "Princess" Lee Radziwill, not anybody. Tom129.93.17.139 19:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
- "The one thing a serious claimant to any lapsed throne NEVER does...": consider Simeon Saxe-Coburg-Gotha for an extreme counterexample (he not only ran for office, he served). And he's not unique in running. See also Paul-Philippe Hohenzollern. - Jmabel | Talk 21:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Compare Akahi Nui article
Seems to me the tone of this article is very different from that of Akahi Nui. I think the problem is probably there, not here. It starts right out with Quentin Kawānanakoa being called a "claimant" while Akahi Nui is called a "pretender". Both terms are equally valid for either, but "claimant" has more positive connotations. In any case, though, I'd expect the two to be handled more or less symmetrically.
I don't know the topic well. I came to this by way of WP:BLP issues in the Akahi Nui article. It would be much appreciated if someone who is working on this and has no ax to grind might come look at that other article as well. - Jmabel | Talk 21:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
