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Contents 1 Rail transport in Queensland 2 Ownership of railway corridors in Qld 3 Government ownership of other railway systems in Australia 4 Private sector operations in Qld 5 Tramways 6 Articles on trains/ rail services 7 QR National 8 Citytrain, Traveltrain miscapitalisation 9 Requested move 9.1 Survey

[edit] Rail transport in Queensland

This article contains information (history, etc) that is probably more appropriate to Rail transport in Queensland. Should it be moved? --Lholden 21:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I can see your point, but for about 130years - up until the advent of Pacific National - railway history in Queensland and the history of QR have been one and the same. It would be extraordinarily difficult to create a non-entity specific history of Queenslands railways, without basically repeating what is said here. (This is not including the various small private railways that exist/have existed in Qld.)--Johnmc 04:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I wasn't saying that the information on the QR article should be written on Rail transport in Queensland as if railways in Queensland only had something to do with Queensland Rail, my point is that the information should be moved. In New Zealand, we've basically got Rail transport in New Zealand tying all the various information about our railways together, and different articles for each operator - even though the NZR was the main operator of our railways for about 100 years. --Lholden 05:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I've done it. The history information I believe was definitely more suited in Rail transport in Queensland (plus it was a stub and needed beefing-up; the history content was just the ticket). This is especially the case since QR/Queensland Rail became a Company Government Owned Corporation as of 1 July 2007, is now known as QR Limited, and the page here should focus on this entity that is now, more than ever, a big business and not just a railway. I've left essential history to briefly describe QR's 140+ year life, with a "Further information:" link to Rail transport in Queensland. Seo75 00:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ownership of railway corridors in Qld

QR does not actually own the railway corridors in Qld.

From the "Rail" section of Qld Transport's site: "The department holds the perpetual lease over all rail corridor land in Queensland (about 9550 kilometres)...(and)...subleases the corridor to railway managers such as Queensland Rail (QR), Airtrain and heritage railway managers. Under the sublease arrangements, the railway manager has the duty of care for the land."

Who *actually* has title to the land is not specified, so I presume it would be the state of Qld. I have modifed the "It owns and maintains the physical infrastructure of the railway network" to suit. Johnmc 11:50, 4 February 2006 (UTC)----

[edit] Government ownership of other railway systems in Australia

The urban systems of Sydney (Cityrail), Adelaide (TransAdelaide) and Perth (Transperth), are government owned and operated, as well as Victorian, New South Welsh, and West Australian country services (V/Line, Countrylink & Transwa respectively). The "Unlike the railway systems in all other Australian States" phrase has been tweaked appropriately, to refer to freight operators only. Johnmc 11:50, 4 February 2006 (UTC)----

[edit] Private sector operations in Qld

To date, only one private sector operation runs freight trains in Qld, Pacific National, and is currently only operating container traffic on the North Coast Line, between Brisbane and Cairns. All mineral traffic in Qld is currently hauled by QR. Johnmc 11:49, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tramways

http://www.affa.gov.au/corporate_docs/publications/pdf/forestry/rfa/qld/qld_se_saw1.pdf and following. Personal knowledge: formations in Beaudesert shire; Esk line reuse. Alex Law 12:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

More info on tramways at: http://www.affa.gov.au/corporate_docs/publications/pdf/forestry/rfa/qld/qld_se_saw1.pdf 124.148.122.175 21:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Articles on trains/ rail services

Hi - is anybody thinking about writing about the trains / rail services? I am just doing some edits on the Traveston derailment - see Traveston railway station, Queensland for lack of anywhere else to put it. It could belong with an article on the Rockhampton Mail train, apparently also known as 21A for many years.--A Y Arktos\^talk 21:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do, as the long distance services are currently short stubs on the Traveltrain page (with the exception of the QR_Tilt_Train), and the commuter Citytrain services are covered on the respective railway lines (ie Nambour & Gympie North, Gold Coast, Ipswich and so forth. --Arnzy ^{(whats up?)} 07:21, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] QR National

Anyone think that this article should really be merged into the QR article for the meantime. It is a division of QR just like Citytrain, Traveltrain, Q-Link and so forth. I've added the merge tags for QR National in the meantime. --Arnzy ^{(whats up?)} 05:08, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think they should be merged. As you have said, QRNational is division of QR the same as Passenger Services Group (Traveltrain & Citytrain), which both have their own pages, so QRNational should be no different.

Also, Q-Link no longer exists, as it was merged into QRNational when the latter was created. --EMBaldwin 06:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

No it shouldn't be merged. I created this article and I intend to expand it. --WikiCats 06:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

"No" to merging. This should remain as the "home page" for QR corporate, and articles for individual divisions should be hung off it. This will also allow for seperate articles for the Infrastructure Services Group, and Network Access Group, should they ever be required.--Johnmc 15:00, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

The result of the debate was do not merge. --WikiCats 06:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citytrain, Traveltrain miscapitalisation

I have replaced the capital 'T' with a lowercase in Citytrain and Traveltrain — the CamelCase of those business groups is incorrect (Sydney's CityRail is in CamelCase). This brings-up a bigger issue, however, because the Wikipedia pages for Citytrain and Traveltrain are case-sensitive and will need to be replaced with redirects to the correctly capitalised versions. This is also the case for the QRNational page, as there is no space between 'QR' and 'National' (and the N is capitalised). Seo75 18:23, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move