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"Doonhamers" is evidently dialect for "down-homers", but why are they known as that....? ChrisTheDude 08:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
See this. Not exactly in depth, but the writer (scottish, aka David Ross) is a respected Scottish football historian. In a Scottish context, Dumfries is in the South, thus "down". Caledonian Place 02:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bible
It's not 'questionable' that QOTS are the only British club mentioned in the bible, Bury & Reading are also mentioned. [1] & [2]. Thus, I have edited article accordingly. [User:Aleksandr_Tank|Aleksandr_Tank] 22.24 20 April 2008.
- I am not sure this merits a mention at all, and certainly not in the lead, unless it can be referenced. I have removed it from the lead meantime. --John (talk) 21:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi Aleksandr,
It was myself who added the words, 'reading' and 'bury' to this page originally stating that this is evidence that QOS aren't the only team mentioned in the bible. This was discarded by a wikipedia editor and thinking about it I can now see why. Words in passing do not necessarily mean that a football club is listed in the bible. Think of the context in which the word appears in the bible and ask yourself if it fits that of being a football club. Best test I can think of is to add the words 'football club' after each alleged club name in the bible. This gives us for example:-
1) Acts 8:32 "The eunuch was reading this passage of Scripture:"
Would become:-
Acts 8:32 "The eunuch was reading football club this passage of Scripture:"
2) Genesis 23:15 "Listen to me, my lord; the land is worth four hundred shekels of silver, but what is that between me and you? Bury your dead."
would become:-
Genesis 23:15 "Listen to me, my lord; the land is worth four hundred shekels of silver, but what is that between me and you? Bury football club your dead."
3) Matthew 12:42 "The queen of the South will rise at the judgement with the men of this generation and condemn them"
Does that work as, "The queen of the South football club will rise at the judgement with the men of this generation and condemn them" - ? Absolutely it does. I must though admit that I have watched them play often enough where it has been men of this generation of the other team who risen at the judgement and condemned Queens. That's football though. My point though is that all the stuff on who is mentioned in the bible is very much debatable and questionable. I suspect if you asked the people at Reading and Bury football clubs if they wanted the above to be classed as a listing for them in the final I suspect you would find that they prefer would not.
Great to see you taking an interest in Scottish football.
For info depending on which version (and there are loads of them) of the bible you read the word arsenal also gets a mention.
Hi John,
The bible reference is one of the things that the club is best known for. With the media coverage of the recent semi final (and know doubt that there will be surrounding the final) the biblical reference is 1 of the things that was picked up on first. And of course it makes for fun conversation round a dinner table or over a drink. Of course though please note that in the edits I have done I have always added the word 'humourously'. Can I thus respectfully suggest a brief mention for this on the header page?
Thanks for your time guys and I look forward to discussing with you more.
Regards, S—Preceding unsigned comment added by Socheid (talk • contribs)
If it's about context though, you could argue that while the context of QOTS' entry 'makes sense' it's only as worthwhile as Bury's mention. Reading I'm not entirely would count either way, as it's not pronounced the same, but Bury is. QOTS obviously doesn't mean the football club while it's in the bible, and Bury doesn't mean Bury FC while it is in the bible, the words are still there and the words carry their meaning (unlike Reading).
Cheers, S—Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleksandr (talk • contribs)
Hi again Aleksandr, While football is a religion for many people I agree with you completely in that Of course there references to these words in the bible were not written with football in mind. The wording though does allow an intepretation for Queen of the South that it does now allow for the other clubs (or not that I have so far anyway, I am always happy to be enlightened). If it's OK with you can I have a little time to think of some wording that we may be able to agree on?
Best regards as always, S Socheid (talk) 13:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi again gents,
How about this:-
"Queen of the South are often humorously cited as the only league club in the United Kingdom to be mentioned in the Bible. Luke 11:31 states "The queen of the South shall rise up at the judgement with the men of this generation and condemn them..."[54] Queen of the South is similarly quoted under Matthew 12:42. In the biblical quote the "Queen of the South" is considered to be the Queen of Sheba.
The bible also contains the words 'reading' and 'bury'. However the context in which these words are presented in the bible do not avail themselves to cross interpretation to mean the either 'Reading' nor 'Bury' football club. [55] The subject is open to debate and intended in good humour and without blasphemy. No club has claimed to be literally referred to in the bible."
Seem fair?
Regards, S Socheid (talk) 19:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Seems perfect.
Aleksandr. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aleksandr Tank (talk • contribs) 22:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi again Aleksandr,
Thanks for your time and your consideration. I'll update the article.
Regards, S Socheid (talk) 10:34, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well done for coming to a compromise. However I felt the disclaimer was a little on the long side so I've trimmed it. The reading and Bury references could be brought back if there is a reliable source for the claim. Otherwise I don't think we need it. --John (talk) 23:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Famous fans
This is a little crufty for my taste. Can anyone see a point in keeping it? I have a feeling there was a project consensus a while back that such sections were inherently unencyclopedic; I'll try to find it. --John (talk) 18:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
