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[edit] QEW begins as Highway 451?
Where is the source on the QEW beign Highway 451? I have never seen that on any MTO documents. I have seen the QEW listed as the elusive hwy 1 before however. --24.103.215.190 02:08, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Documented sources directly from the MTO - I'd post their name, but I don't want to unless I have permission. There were other 450-series highways, though they ferry routes. Also, G1 drivers have been pulled over on the QEW and been told to get off the highway, with the OPP citing that the QEW is Highway 451, therefore a 400-series highway and forbidden for G1 drivers. Ontario has never had a Highway 1, and probably never will. There is some speculation that Highway 1 was originally supposed to be the routing of Highway 2 from Windsor to Toronto, and then Highway 2 from Toronto to the Quebec border. In the end, the entire route was numbered 2. Snickerdo 02:32, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- The argument that the QEW is forbidden to G1 drivers therefore it must be a 400-series highway makes absolutely no sense. Both the Conestoga Expy and DVP among others are not 400-series highways and are restricted to G1 drivers. I have read a lot of MTO documents, and have seen Highway 1 come up plenty of times, yet I have never seen any reference to a Hwy 451. I emplore you, please cite your sources, if the QEW is indeed known legally as Highway 451, I cannot possibly imagine why you would have to hide where you found this information--24.103.242.178 07:50, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- That G1 argument was actually told to me by a police officer. As for information, here it is...
- As well as Internal documents from my contacts at the MTO, which can't be posted for obvious reasons. The QEW is Highway 451, end of story. You will not find any information that says the QEW is Highway 1. 'Highway 1' was going to be Highway 2 from Windsor to Toronto, but they ended up lumping it in with Highway 2 for competition reasons. Snickerdo 19:23, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- If these are your references POST THEM, everything that is not common knowledge must be referenced. Of course, not awknoledging that the QEW is also Highway 1 proves to me at least that you are not reading some very common MTO documents. The QEW is listed as Highway 1 in the AADT data for example. --24.103.242.178 05:38, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Highway 1 in the AADT Data? No way. Unless you prove otherwise, that comment is totally false. At least I have some other well-respected websites to back up the correct claim that the QEW is Highway 451. Snickerdo 20:07, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- The argument that the QEW is forbidden to G1 drivers therefore it must be a 400-series highway makes absolutely no sense. Both the Conestoga Expy and DVP among others are not 400-series highways and are restricted to G1 drivers. I have read a lot of MTO documents, and have seen Highway 1 come up plenty of times, yet I have never seen any reference to a Hwy 451. I emplore you, please cite your sources, if the QEW is indeed known legally as Highway 451, I cannot possibly imagine why you would have to hide where you found this information--24.103.242.178 07:50, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I've been doing research trying to get to the bottom of the Highway 1/Highway 451 situation. I owe you an apology, as it is in fact true that the QEW is listed as Highway 1 in MTO traffic count reports. The information I have are older DHO milage reports that list the QEW as Highway 451, along with a number of other 450-series highways (one was the Wolfe Island Ferry, others were bridges, etc). The Highway 1 listings are newer than 451, so this could be a simple matter of bookeeping, or the fact that 1 has replaced 451 as the official secret designation, or whether they both co-exist together. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the YahooGroup called Canroads, but we're discussing it there right now and hoping someone can get in touch with the MTO to get an offical answer once and for all. You're welcome to join if you like. Snickerdo 02:06, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Googlemap links
I have clicked on a number of the googlemap links (for pictures of the interchanges), and they were way off. They all went to the same location in eastern Toronto, about 10-15 km from where they should have been. I guess they will need to be checked and corrected. 69.158.8.239 23:28, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Freeway / Highway
- "The Queen Elizabeth Way (commonly referred to as the QEW, Q, QE, or Queen-E) is a vital 400-Series freeway in Ontario, Canada."
I don't know if freeway is really the correct term to be used here, perhaps highway. The wiktionary says that a freeway is a highway with "full access control", while a highway is "A multi-lane, high speed thoroughfare connecting major population centers." Thoughts? --Stephen 00:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] QEW was planned as 402?
I don't think so... have a look at [1]. 400, 401, and 402 were all designated at the same time, either 1952 (which is what other unreliable sources say) or 1953. Before then, the 400-series numbers were not used. --NE2 14:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] YES! YES! YES!
I found proof of the 451 designation: [2] --NE2 21:56, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Notes
The note on the map on [3] might be interesting, might help with the article, or might show that I'm a "stupid American". --NE2 19:01, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
