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The article Society of Graduate and Professional Students at Queen's University was nominated for deletion. The debate was closed on 22 April 2008 with a consensus to merge the content into Queen's University. If the merger is not completed promptly, Society of Graduate and Professional Students at Queen's University might be re-nominated for deletion.

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[edit] "In popular culture"

What about a pop-culture section? Ie: In anne of green gables she wanted to go to queen's, in the TV show "ED" queen's grad Tom Cavanaugh wears several queen's university tee shirts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CRAZYBUBBA (talk • contribs) 15:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

  • I definitely second this notion. My only concern is the lack of information regarding Queen's in pop-culture... Any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 6mat1 (talk • contribs) 23:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Structure

The article should start with a good introduction, giving the full complete official name of the college/university, detail about location (in suburb, downtown, where?), founder and founding name, and affilation with any larger university system, if applicable. Give other names for which the university may be known (e.g. Cal, and bold them, too). Also, add a few facts about the college/university that make it unique.

Next, there is a table about the college/university. A template for the table can be found at the bottom of this page.

Sections of the article:

  • Campus -- Describe the overall shape and size of the campus. Mention any famous buildings and their architects.
  • Organization -- Mention the administration, including leading officials. If this college/university has a special organizational structure, such as a residential college system, then it should be mentioned here. Then, in bullet point form, list the schools, colleges, etc. of this university. If appropriate, also list the faculties and departments at the university. If there is a special course system or requisits for enrollment, mention them here, too. If the university is part of a larger system (as in University of California), mention this connection and provide requisite links.
  • Students and faculty -- State the number (and any other useful statistics) of the students. Distinguish between undergraduate, graduate and postgraduate students; also state the number of faculty members. Distinguish between tenure/nontenured, full- and part-time (if possible).
  • Sports, clubs, and traditions -- Mention the sports team(s) of the college/university and what is notable about them. Here is also a good place to mention specific traditions of the college/university, like students' union activities, a student newspaper, fraternities, regular activities, etc. The heading may be changed accordingly in regard to the importance of sports, clubs, traditions, students' unions etc. For example, alternative headings could be Students' Union, Sports and Traditions or Students' Union Activities.
  • History -- Describe the history of the college/university, including noteworthy milestones in its development.
  • Noted alumni -- Bullet list of Alumni that are notable/famous. Mention the graduation date and degree and give a short description why they are famous.
  • Noted faculty -- Bullet list of active and former members of faculty that are notable. If they are alumni/alumnae, mention them here in parenthesis, including the degree and graduation date. For all give a short description why they are famous.
  • External links -- Give a link to the website of the college/university, preferable in English language.

Speedystickd 16:36, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] concerns

hi, the statement "and average acceptance rate is 13.6%" is false. acceptance rate is = (# of people who got aceepted) / (# of people who applied) NOT (# of people enrolled) / (# of people who applied), according to The Princeton Review's The Best 361 Colleges, U of T has acceptance rate of 66% and McGill has 51%. It is very unlikely that Queen's have 13.6%. From INFO Magazine if you devide # of people enrolled over people applied, you get approximately 13%.Therefore i think what he/she meant was the enrollment rate. So, i am deleting that statement.


This is very true. Although Queen's does have the lowest acceptance rate in Canada, it is not 13%. When you look at all those who apply, you must remember that in Ontario, high school students apply to a minimum of 3 schools.

Actually the acceptance rate is 41%

http://www.princetonreview.com/college/research/profiles/admissions.asp?listing=1037359&LTID=1&intbucketid=—Preceding unsigned comment added by CRAZYBUBBA (talk • contribs) 09:43, May 22, 2007

McGill has the lowest acceptance rate QQ Noob! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.201.203.235 (talk) 22:43, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Clearly, McGill does not.. the numbers speak for themselves. CRAZYBUBBA (talk) 20:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] macleans rankings

How can Queens University be ranked 2nd when it refused to participate in the 2006 medical doctorate university rankings? 144.214.156.18 06:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

  • As the article explains, the University refused to provide the information, however, because it is a public institution, Macleans simply issues Access to Information Act requests, and were given the information they needed. -- Chabuk [ T • C ] 06:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] criticism section

The introduction cites a criticism of a "culture of whiteness." I think there should be a separate section for criticisms of the school and its policies, among them the 'secret' contract with Sodexho (with perhaps a technical explanation of why this contract is not viewable even though Queen's is a public institution) and also the AMS's involvement and failure to protect student-run businesses from Sodexho. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.38.153.29 (talk) 04:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

There is no secret contract with Sodexho, this is a rumor. Students may read it by contacting the food and beverage director—Preceding unsigned comment added by CRAZYBUBBA (talk • contribs) 09:48, May 22, 2007

[edit] "Research Intensive"

I removed research-intensive from the description of Queen's University. The use of the term research-intensive seems kind of redundant considering that most of the larger universities throughout North America are based on the German research universities (like Humboldt). It seems as though this term is being used to add a feeling of intellectual superiority to other institutions. Queen's University is basically a public university in Canada. Thinkstand 19:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Crazybubba's comment: All top Canadian universities are public, all however are not research universities—Preceding unsigned comment added by CRAZYBUBBA (talk • contribs) 19:14, May 22, 2007

The term "research-intensive" refers to those institutions which derive a substantial amount of research funding, and dedicate a significant percentage of their operations to pursuing both pure and applied research. Or, as former Stanford University president Gerhard Casper wrote, "it selects its students; it is primarily dedicated to the search for knowledge; and it is marked by a spirit of critical inquiry [[1]] There is a difference between a purely undergraduate institution and a research-intensive institution. This is a descriptive claim and not a normative claim--both types are valid forms of institutions, but they are not one and the same. It is, a fact, to call Queen's or its peer institutions a research-intensive university rather than a claim to any sort of superiority. Please see http://www.researchinfosource.com/media/2006-top50-sup.pdf.

[edit] Concern about Plagiarism in the History Section

It seems as though the entire history section was just lifted off of the Queen's University website. Thinkstand 20:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I looked back through the edits and noticed that Speedystickd added almost the entire History section in question [2]. I sent him a message on User_talk:Speedystickd asking for some clarification, if he has it, of this issue. He has only made about one edit per month since September 2006 so I am somewhat doubtful of a speedy response. κaτaʟavenoTC 01:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I have reverted the History section text to the previous version until the copyright issue can be resolved. κaτaʟavenoTC 02:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Campus Pages

There are pages on Grant Hall and Richardson Stadium - I think it would be worthwile to have pages for the JDUC and Jock Harty, especially as they'll be torn down for the construction of the Queen's Centre. Thoughts? Demosthenes X 20:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Grant Hall and the Stadium are both controversial already. Adding more pages for more non-notable buildings is not what this project is all about. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information -- Chabuk [ T • C ] 20:10, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree with you on principle, but I also found the page on Grant Hall to be a very interesting read. Perhaps one page on "Queen's Campus" would be a better solution: I think these buildings are important enough to warrant being included in Wikipedia, but to add them all to the Queen's page would make it far to long. A sub-page on notable elements of the Campus might be a good compromise. Demosthenes X 01:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the "Queen's Campus" page. The Clark and ILC could be added to that from the Queen's Faculty of Applied Science page--J2000ca 20:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Endowment

I've reverted the endowment. The 580.6 takes into account the "Other Endowment investments", while the 571 number only takes into account the pooled investment.--J2000ca 15:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First session of Parliament

I note that the lead paragraph indicates that: "[Queen's] hosted the country's first session of Parliament." The source for the claim is the website of the University of Otago in New Zealand (perhaps not the most reliable source for 19th century Canadian history), which has an exchange program with Queen's.

The claim is not clear. Literally, it could mean the first post-Confederation Parliament in 1867 (which I assume occurred in Ottawa, not Kingston), or the first Parliament to be held on the territory that would one day be Canada (legislative assemblies were held prior to the founding of Queen's, so this is also unlikely). Most likely, it refers to the first session of the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Canada, which did in fact occur in Kingston in 1841 (Kingston was capital of the Province from 1841 to 1843). However, according to 1st Parliament of the Province of Canada, the first session was on June 15, 1841, whereas Queen's was founded four months later on October 16, 1841. Moreover, the Queen's website indicates (at [3]) that classes at Queen's did not start until March 7, l842, and took place "in a small wood-frame house on the edge of the city". Further, Queen's moved from house to house for 11 years, until it acquired Summerhill. Given the dates, and the Queen's facilities in those early years, it seems unlikely that Queen's hosted the first session of the province's parliament.

For these reasons, the claim that Queen's hosted the country's first session of Parliament seems incorrect. The more logical claim, that Queen's hosted the first session of the Parliament of the Province of Canada, also seems dubious. I would be delighted if someone could come up with a reliable source showing that Queen's did host the first Parliament, but otherwise I will tag this claim with a {{dubious}} template, and will ultimately remove the claim unless someone can come up with the source. Skeezix1000 20:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

The confusion lies in the fact that the Kingston General Hospital was, from 1841-1844, the site of the first Parliament of the new Province of Canada [see http://www.kgh.on.ca/about/about_history.asp]. During that time, members of Parliament rented accommodation across the street in Summerhill [see http://www.queensu.ca/secretariat/History/bldgs/summer.html]. Thus, Skeezix1000 is correct to conclude that the original author was mistaken to claim that Queen's hosted the first Parliament. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.15.83.226 (talk • contribs)
So, it's actually KGH then that hosted the Province of Canada's (not the country's) first Parliament, not Queen's. At best, Summerhill (which at the time wasn't part of Queen's) was rented out to some members of Parliament. So, Queen's didn't host the Parliament, but the site that would become the campus did provide rental accomodation to some members (presumably a number of buildings/sites in Kingston can make this claim). Given these facts, I am removing the reference from the lead. Skeezix1000 14:58, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You

Thanks to the other members who continually guard this page against vandalism and add to the accuracy and range of issues covered.CRAZYBUBBA (talk) 01:24, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article Review

Hello,

I've now completed my Good Article Review for this article.

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  5. It is stable.
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  7. Overall:
    a Pass/Fail:

This article has been 'quick-failed due to severe referencing issues. Large sections of this article are unreferenced, others contain 'disputed' tags, and the article also contains a couple of expansion tags which should be addressed before this article is re-submitted for review.

Please refer to WP:Verifiability and WP:CITE for assistance in fixing these issues.

If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. Pursey Talk | Contribs 22:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger of Society of Graduate and Professional Students at Queen's University

An AfD closed on 22 April 2008 with consensus to merge the contents of Society of Graduate and Professional Students at Queen's University into this article.

The SGPS article is about 100 words (which can easily be pared down), plus an infobox, and a few refs, and I suggest a new section here with this content, entitled simply: Society of Graduate and Professional Students.

Here is the content (without the infobox):

The Society of Graduate and Professional Students at Queen's University, or the SGPS, is the central graduate student society at Queen’s University in Canada. SGPS is a member of the Canadian Federation of Students Local 27. The SGPS Council is the main decision-making body of the Society. Council meets the second Tuesday of every month in the McLaughlin Room of the JDUC. Council is made up of graduate/professional student representatives from every department or school, the SGPS Executive and aboriginal and international student representatives. Council meetings are an important way in which the SGPS communicates information to its members through departmental representatives.

. The SGPS is listed as a prominent student organization in the article. — Becksguy (talk) 05:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Music

Hi I was wondering if we should add Saki Uchida the most famous musician at Queen's in Queen's Music section. Thanks.Firewal2 (talk) 01:07, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't able to find a wiki page for them so they may not be notable by some people's criteria. I often see in many university pages that those people are removed because it is hard to verify they exist let alone are notable (to someone outside the music world) Ottawa4ever (talk) 16:04, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Don't delete people's comment? OK~ sorry about that. Firewal2 (talk) 02:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Saki hardly qualifies... the Tragically Hip and Bedouin Soundclash both graduated from Queen's. CRAZYBUBBA (talk) 20:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tom Williams article, disambiguation needed

Note that the new Queen's University principal, Tom Williams (as of May 1, 2008), is wiki'd in the article on Queen's University (located in the box on the right hand side near the top of the article), but: 1) there is as yet no wiki article on him, a situation which I intend to remedy shortly, using what information is available, and others can improve it later; and 2) there is no middle initial available for him (I think it may be 'R.'), so that there are serious ambiguity problems, since there are very many people named Tom or Thomas Williams already on wiki. Cheers, FrankEldonDixon, May 3, 2008, 12:23 p.m., GMT+5, FrankEldonDixon (talk) 16:25, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

A very interesting phenomenon just occurred! I wrote an article on Thomas R. Williams, linking to referenced published print media sources, as well as to some information on the website of Queen's. Granted, some information I would have liked to include was simply unavailable. I filed my article, and then did a couple of minor changes to it. Everything seemed just fine. I then went to the article on Queen's University, to correct the ambiguity with Tom Williams, as described in the above post. Then, about a minute later, the recently-written article simply vanished from wikipedia!! Now, I have written several dozen articles for wiki, and edited hundreds of others, have the status of a wiki editor, and have received several commendations for my work! Cheers, FrankEldonDixon, May 3, 2008, 2:24 p.m., GMT+5, FrankEldonDixon (talk) 18:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

You just misspelt the article name :) I have moved it to the right place. — mholland (talk) 18:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!! Cheers, FrankEldonDixon, May 3, 2008, 2:57 p.m., GMT+5, FrankEldonDixon (talk) 18:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. Happy editing! — mholland (talk) 00:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Grad Student Society Merge

Just as an FYI, it was this AfD whose result was merging here. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 17:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)