Talk:Queen's Gambit Accepted

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"3. Nf3 leads to the main lines of the QGA. White ignores the pawn for the moment, develops a knight and prevents Black from striking at the centre with 4. ... e5."

Shouldn't this read "with 3...e5"?

Thx!  :-) Johnmuller4 02:15, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the heads up. Actually, Nf3 stops the ---e7-e5 advance for a considerable amount of time, so I have removed the move numbering for "...e5" altogether. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

How does white get the pawn back after 3. Nf3 b5 ?

The variation 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nf3 b5 has a name, the Ericson Variation I think. To get the pawn back White must start to undermine the Black pawn phalanx.
4.a4 c6
5.e3 e6
6.b3
and the Black pawns fall. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:11, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Premature Queen line

"White can force black to give the pawn back by playing 3. Qa4+ Nc6 4. Qxc4." So White re-captures the c-pawn, and in the next move, 4. ... Nxd4 (or possibly 4. ... Qxd4), he loses the d-pawn. The text should really include how White can force the surrender of this second pawn as well (if he can! I don't see how, but I'm certainly no great chess player), or the line seems to not have accomplished anything at all, rendering it not even hypothetically interesting. -- Jao 09:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I think you're right. 4 Qxc4 doesn't get the pawn back; White needs to play 4 e3. 91.105.28.251 13:50, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes, that does seem foolproof. Thanks for the clarification. -- Jao 18:42, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • 4. e3 is not enough either. After 4...e5 and now while the c4 pawn falls to White the d4 pawn falls to Black so White currently remains a pawn down and requiring some more precise moves to recover the gambit material. ChessCreator (talk) 02:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
After 4... e5, what about 5. dxe5? The knight is pinned and can't recapture, and the c4 pawn is still vulnerable. Bubba73 (talk), 03:00, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I think you're right, although this does show that regaining the pawn by 3.Qa4+ is a little messy. White can regain the pawn more straightforwardly after 3.e3 or 3.Nf3. Quale (talk) 05:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, 4... e5 5. dxe5?! regains the pawn but it's not a good move (5. Nf3 is better). After 5. dxe5 because of Black active piece White is in real danger of losing the pawn (or more material) again.
4....e5 5. dxe5?! Be6
  • 6. Bc4?? Bb4+ 7. Bd2 Bxc4 8. Bxb4 b5 9. Qa3 Nxe5 10. Nd2 Nd3+ 11. Ke2 Nxb4+ 12. Nxc4 Nc2 -+
  • 6. Nf3 Qd5 (threatening b5 and Nxe5) 7. Be2 b5 (8. Qd1 Qc5 9. O-O Nxe5) 8. e4 Qc5 9. Qc2 Nxe5 and Black remains a pawn ahead.
  • 6. f4 this does hold the pawns level but leaves many White with many weaknesses, White's is behind in development, the White King is a target, e3 is backward, e4 is weak and d3 is a nice square for Black to create an outpost. Technically the gambit pawn is regained but few players would choice this. Play might go 6...a6 7. Nf3 b5 8. Qc2 Nb4 9. Qd1(9. Qe4? Bd5 10. Qf5 Nge7 11. Qh3/g4 Nc2+ -+)(9. Qd2? Qxd2 10. Kxd2 O-O-O+ -+)(9. Qc3?! Bf5 10. Nd4 Nd5 11. Qd2 Bxb1 12. Rxb1 12 Bb4+ -+) Qxd1 10. Kxd1 O-O-O 11. Bd2 Nd3 =+
As I said (below), it regains the pawn but I don't like White's position. Bubba73 (talk), 13:52, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
4. e3 and 4.e4 are better, but as far as I can tell 4. Qa4+ does get the pawn back by force. I don't like white's position that results, however. You wind up with a pawn on e5 that must be supported, and f2-f4 makes your black-squared bishop bad and makes the pawn on e3 weak. You can support it by Nf3 but that prevents an eventual f2-f4. Bubba73 (talk), 05:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)